people need to stop talking crap on salomon without ever skiing them. the 2nd generation 1080s are such a good all around ski, probably the best skiing twin tip out there as long as you arent super heavy. i skiiec those things for a solid season and a half before they showed any real damage, which if you ask me, is pretty long. just because they dont use all wood for their core doesnt mean the ski is crap. and what skis are those? the fish? i've seen the foils, guns, thrusters and flyers, where do those fit into the mix? anyone else notice the surfboard theme they have going on this year?