Salomon: the facts

For whatever reason, Salomon has been bitched out non-stop on this website. Before I begin, let me start by saying that I have absolutely no affiliation with Salomon. But here are the facts:

1) freeskiing might not exist without Salomon. Thanks to their marketing team, newschool skiing, the twintip, and the entire lifestyle was spread across the world.

2) on that note, why don't we take a look at the list of people whose careers were launched by Salomon: JP Auclair, JF Cusson, Mike Douglas, Vincent Dorion, Philou Poirier, CR Johnson, and more recently, the Olenick brothers, The Dumont, Charles Gagnier...

3) Let's take a look at their current team: Peter Olenick and Simon Dumont, arguably the two most publicized skiers during the last calendar year. These two guys have pound for pound had more coverage than anyone else in print and film recently. Charles Gagnier: need I say more.

4) Salomon supports the sport at the grass root levels: without their assistance, events such as Progression Ski Camps, the all women's freeski clinics, would not exist. Likewise, it is Salomon that has funded the skicross world tour, along with several regional events utilized to promote the sport.

5) bitch all you want about the quality of the skis, but the 1080 is far and away the best selling twintip of all time, while the initiation of the Pocket Rocket project has changed the ways in which all manufacturers construct their skis, whether recreational all mountain boards or pro level backcountry twins.

So before you bitch out this company, wrap your brain around all of this info.

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I agree with you, all anyone has to say about salomon is 'FOAM CORES SUCKS GARBAGE SKIS!!!! salomon has been scapegoated by the 'newschoolers' on this website because they are a large corporation. People on here think if they buy skis from smaller ski companies, they are supporting the industry more. No, you're only putting money in different peoples pockets. I guarentee Salomon will spend more money on R&D to make better skis than all the new 'core' companies combined. They can afford to give you a better product at less cost because they are so big and sell so many skis and ski related products.

All these kids think that newschooling is getting to 'mainstream' so they dig themselves into a more 'core' niche by buying 'core' products from 'core' companies in an attempt to stay underground as possible. Stop caring about the politics of skiing so much, some of you are missing the whole point. Half of you are obessed with sponsorships and being friends with pro's and stupid other bullshit that you're missing the true beauty of our sport.

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i just got a phat crazy in my 720's(orange and yellow) and there not foam cores there wood!

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i think salomon sponsors by far the most newschool-oriented things (camps, movies, events) and whatnot in the industry. and for that they should be applauded. and i believe it almost pays off for them, as they definitely do sell a ton of 1080s and pocket rockets.

and it is true that they launched the careers of many huge freeskiers.

on a side note, like 75% of those skiers left salomon for various reasons.

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When I was first getting into skiing I was convinced that the Pocket Rocket was going to be my pro-model ski.

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the only reason the 1080 is the best selling ski is because they havent changed the name since it came out.

as for the team issue... yes they had the best riders, but they drop them mercilessly(ie-philou) and screw them over(ie-douglas). they just put the money behind the best pros at the current moment.

yes they have done a lot for skiing, but its because of profits, not because of any love of the newschool scene.

i have more, but im too tired to think

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Well if 4frnt did it for 'the love of the sport' not for profits, their skis would be sold at cost and they would walk around handing them out hugging skiers at resorts, wake up they are all business trying to get your money, buy the best product for the best cost whichever choice you perceive that to be

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the only problem I have with salomon is that their bindings are pieces of shit, the toes come loose really easily. but thats just a little gripe, agreed on everything said up top

 
Full Salomon Report

Francois Salomon, his wife Jeanne and their son George started a small workshop in 1947 in France. In this shop is where they created the first pair of Salomon skis. In 1952 George Salomon invented automatic machines to help them produce higher quality skis. Ten years after that almost every house in France had a pair of Salomon skis inside. Toward the end of the sixties the company pushed the limits of ski technology even further, creating the first releasable bindings. In 1979 Salomon is introduced to the stock market of Lyon. In 1991 Salomon diversified its line up of products and moved into fields outside of skiing. The first new product released was a hiking boot. Salomon then acquired the Italian shoemaker, Sangiorgio. But footwear was not enough for the ambitious minds behind the company. With the acquisition of the French cycle company Mavic, they entered the new world of bicycles. In 1995 snowboard clothing maker Bonfire also fell under the mighty Salomon wing. In 1997 they opened up their snow-sports line up to making snowboards, and snowboard equipment, they also began making skiboards (short twin-tipped skis under 99cm).

Perhaps the biggest sporting good merger in history occurred in 1998. This was the year when Salomon and Adidas joined forces. Adidas was already the leading sports company in Europe and the second in the world. Although Adidas is such a superpower Salomon remains to keep its own unique identity. In order to do this they marketed themselves as a ?Freedom Action Sports? company, offering high quality sporting goods for mainly non-mainstream sports.

Today the Salomon Corporation makes a variety of sporting good products. In the snowboard category they produce snowboards, bindings, boots, bags and packs, helmets and snowskates. Salomon?s alpine ski line up is possibly the best out there. From racing skis to twin tipped ?trick skis? their products are second to none. They also make ski boots and bindings. Nordic skis are also another ski product from Salomon. In addition to their snow sports line up they also make inline skates, their new 2003 line up will include freeskate?s for tooling around town, trainer skates for off snow Nordic and off ice speed skate training, and street skates for performing tricks such as grinding and spins. Salomon also makes plenty of outdoor products including shoes, hiking boots, sandals and a variety of high performance outerwear. Hitting the links? Well good ole? Salomon has got you covered, they also own Taylormade golf clubs.

The major demographic of consumers that are interested in Salomon are males aged 18-40. Keep in mind that this is only a target market; people of all ages can use and enjoy all of the Salomon products. Because they make adventure sports equipment the need for these products is very minimal in older generations; Most 75 year olds don?t snowboard. But, because they make high quality premium equipment their products don?t come cheap. Most upper-class males in their 20?s and 30?s can use and more importantly afford their equipment. Another huge market for their sales is the ski and snowboard rental industry. Alone they make up more than 55% of their snow sports sales. A major reason for this large number is their sales technique. When they sell a rental shop skis, the skis need bindings. Enter the Salomon binding department, outfitting all of the skis and snowboards with bindings. Almost everyone renting skis needs boots too. Yep, Salomon supplies the boots as well. Their strategy for rental sales has been very lucrative, selling the whole package rather than one or two components.

Salomon Sports Inc. operates on an international level. Selling products throughout the world is what has helped them reach the level that they are at today. Because Salomon was started in France they have deep European roots. In fact the U.S. only makes up for thirty percent of their total sales.

Most of their products are made in Europe, but they also manufacture in the United Sates as well. Most products are made by machine and mass produced. Salomon has a very intense research and development process. Their four-step process for product development begins with world-class athletes. The athletes? suggestions, recommendations and new equipment ideas provide the inspiration and challenges that drive Salomon?s next stages of advanced materials research and development, innovative design and construction. Only athletes who are constantly pursuing their own limits help push the limits of apparel and equipment design and technology. Members of Salomon Climbing, Ski-Snowboard and Endurance Teams give constant feedback on the clothing and equipment they depend on for survival. They hear from their athletes through gear evaluation forms and regular athlete input sessions. The athletes often recommend an innovation that is outside the bounds of existing technology. The Salomon research, design and development teams accept the challenge and turn to the laboratory for new fabrics and components. They partner with the world's leading materials innovators to engineer the technically advanced fabrics needed to develop clothing and equipment that meets our high standards. For example, Salomon, in conjunction with W.L. Gore, created the concept and played a predominant role in the launch of PacLite, the most compressible, lightest weight Gore-Tex shell fabric available - weighing only 3.2 ounces per yard. By adhering this new Gore-Tex laminate to their proprietary, extremely lightweight nylon substrate, Salomon succeeded in creating a shell material perfectly suited for the extreme lightweight requirements demanded by high-altitude expeditions.

Exploring the frontiers of technology for better fabrics and components is only the beginning of the life cycle of a new piece of gear. Teams of designers and fabric technicians must turn those revolutionary raw materials into gear that maximizes an athlete's ability to survive and succeed in the most severe weather conditions.

A good example of this is their Devil's Thumb Jacket. In order to create the super-lightweight Devil's Thumb Jacket for athlete expeditions, the product development team needed to find a weight saving alternative to pit zips(zippers under the arm pits). The solution -- core vents, diagonally zippered vent openings on the jacket's chest. These adjustable vents allow the user to regulate heat and moisture from the body's core simply by zipping or unzipping them, while at the same time minimizing the overall weight of the jacket. The response to this innovation was so great that they incorporated it throughout many of the styles in their current line.

Salomon saves the most critical step in their product development process for last. In addition to subjecting products to a tortuous battery of laboratory tests, they send their apparel and equipment on extended athlete expeditions to learn how new products perform under the true test of the grueling outdoors. After receiving feedback, the research and development team refines each product until it receives approval from their world-class athletic team.

Currently they have mass produced the world?s first twin tip ski. This new ski allows rides to ski backwards, take off from jumps backwards and land backwards. This was after they made skiboards a huge success. They have been noted for developing the revolutionary new ?skin? clothing system. Its new Second Skin technology and apparel with its youthful, innovative looks will surely attract riders. 'With the launch of Advanced Skin last year, Salomon successfully introduced a young, innovative apparel line that stands apart from the traditional outdoor apparel crowd,' explains Troy Ballard, director of soft goods for Salomon North America. 'In year two, we?ve refined the line and added progressive design elements while maintaining the technical performance that people expect from Salomon.'

Designed for the ultimate freeride athlete, Salomon apparel continues to mesh highly innovative engineering with contemporary flair. The Soft Technical Layer is a highly breathable soft-shell collection of jackets and pants that feature innovative Swiss-made Schoeller WB-400 fabrics. First Skin has an expanded collection of base layer clothing featuring X-static, an innovative fiber with antibacterial properties that reduces odor retention. Extended First Skin has a collection of clothing featuring Windstopper Next To Skin that provides versatility and convenience previously unavailable in technical apparel. Advanced Skin Shell System provides the ultimate all-weather solution for the 10 percent of the time freeriders need a fully waterproof outer layer. Voice features functional sweatshirts, tops, jackets, pants and skirts and offers a technical layering alternative with smooth lines and a softer feel that are driven by performance elements. Salomon?s color options for next winter is unusual, with creative names. It ranges from space (black), hide (tan/khaki/yellow mix), cerulean (bluish/gray) and stratos (navy blue), to the brighter cane (white), 1976 (deep red, named after the best year in France for Bordeaux wine), hot dog (bright mustard yellow) and methanol (electric blue). In the new line, Salomon also introduces a new print derived from satellite photographs of New York City named, l-blend.

?Salomon believes that most people quit skiing because of painful boots. By

introducing its new Verse series ($340-$385), the company hopes to keep those skiers in the sport. As easy on the feet as. well, a pair of snowboard boots, the Verse achieves its sublime level of comfort by using two materials in the shell: a soft synthetic at the instep and a rigid plastic chassis for support. And by replacing the lower two buckles with a single-pull lacing system, this footwear makes putting on flip-flops seem like hassle.?(Miracle, Skiing) Also Salomon has plans to improve its binding systems. ?Salomon introduces two new concepts, one with the focus on reducing risk of injury to the knee, called Spheric, and Propulse, an energy-boosting binding which moves in on the Suspension's old territory. The big story at Salomon is Spheric, a new technology developed specifically to address the forces created when the boot twists against

the binding in a forward, twisting 'roll-out' release. Studies conducted by Salomon and several independent researchers pointed to a connection between roll-out forces on the binding (with an attendant increased torque on the ski) and an increased risk of injury to the anterior cruciate ligament, or ACL. Lab tests designed to simulate roll-out loads show that Spheric is able to almost completely eliminate any increase in release values in a roll-out fall configuration.? (Hogen, Snow Country Business)

Salomon was the first ski company to use CAD software. They use the software to develop the general shape of the skis; it also allows them to design the side cut of the ski at the base, the upper width distribution at the top face, and the thickness distribution for the basic curves of the ski. Developing different sizes of skis presents another engineering challenge. The solution is what they call their CADDS 5 Parametrics. The module lets engineers define basic curves and other dimensions of the ski for a beginning model. To design other sizes they only need to enter a few dimensions and the computer software automatically designs the new size design. ?It saved us at least 50% in time; something that is very important as we grow and increase or models? says senior Engineer at Salomon, Jacques LaCroix. Salomon also utilities this type of software to make almost everything else in their line including: boots, bindings, bikes, shoes, and golf clubs.

There are many competitors to Salomon, but most of them are more specialized. For instance in the ski market thier biggest competitor is Rossignol. Between these companys is what most would call healthy competition. Each trying to out do the outher in forms of product and price. This makes it alot better for the comsumer. We recive a higher quality merchendise with a more reasonable price.

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Salomon?s financial history has been at the least rocky. ?After Robert Louis-Dreyfus clinched a deal on Sept. 15 1997 to buy the French sports-equipment maker Salomon, he celebrated with Salomon family members over champagne at Geneva's swank Hotel des Bergues. The Adidas CEO had reason to gloat a little. In one deft stroke, Louis-Dreyfus has broadened his sports company's product base and balanced its geographic reach.?(Woodruff, Business week) This was what had made the paper after Adidas and Salomon joined forces. The merger sent them sailing up in the sporting equipment market up past Reebok into the number two position world wide. The $1.3 billion dollar purchase would help Adidas reach new markets in Asia and North America, where it is weak. And the combined company's reliance on the slow-growing European market will decline, since sales there will drop to 60% of the total, down from 66% for Adidas before the merger. Soon after the companies combined they almost covered up the debt of the purchase. After dropping at first, Adidas stock price rebounded on Sept. 17, closing 7% higher, only 2 days later. In 2001 Adidas-Salomon reported that their first-quarter net income dropped 12 percent. The company said profit fell to 46 million euros ($41 million), or 1.02 euros a share, from 53 million euros, or 1.16 euros, a year earlier. Sales rose 2.7 percent, to 1.6 billion euros, held back by a 6 percent drop in North America, to 445 million euros. The company also faced yet another bump in the road due to severe price cutting by Nike. At this time the company predicted a sales rise by about 3 percent with gains in all regions except North America. But then a year later in 2002 Adidas-Salomon posted better results than expected for the second quarter, helped by a 10 percent increase in sales. The company said its profit rose to 25 million euros ($24.3 million) from 24 million euros last year. Sales were up 26 percent in Asia, helped by the World Cup, and 7.7 percent in North America. Later this year they would post their biggest gain in 10 months.

Only a few months ago Salomon implemented i2's Supply Chain Planner to support its global planning functions for multiple-brand products. The move has helped Adidas-Salomon reduce the order planning and confirmation process from as much as three weeks to two days, while improving factory utilization rates and the flow of goods to customers. Glenn Bennett, Executive Board Member at Adidas-Salomon, said, 'The system is already proving to be a significant tool in achieving several of our supply chain initiatives particularly in the area of lead-time reduction and the better matching of supply and demand.' In other recent company news Adidas-Salomon added the head of its North American business to the company's executive board, giving its second-largest region a direct voice in corporate strategy.

Earlier this year the company unveiled its new North American headquarters in Portland Oregon. The one hundred million dollar, five-building, 500,000-square foot 'corporate village' will replace 11 separate office buildings, housing Adidas America employees who previously worked in Boston, South Carolina and Germany, as well as Oregon. It will be the company's largest US financial commitment in 2002. This new addition increased Salomon?s real estate portfolio and consolidated operations at one site, even so the new headquarters may better be characterized as a public relations move more than a real estate investment. 'This has been a long-term project with a long-term objective: to invest in Adidas-Salomon?s future in the US market (and) current market conditions cannot factor into a long-term decision,' said Nicole Vollebregt, a spokeswoman. However, 'while the Adidas Village is a necessary investment, we are making a concerted effort to bring down operating expenses,' she added. 'The main headquarters of Adidas Salomon are in Herzogenaourach, Germany . . . (so) our main business functions are already spread out between two locations,' Ms Vollebregt said. 'That being said . . . it is important to bring all areas of our (US) team under one roof to improve efficiency and effectiveness ... There are many more upsides to teamwork than downsides.' Another goal is increasing Salomon?s visibility with North American retailers and customers. The company would like to see its market share reach to about thirty percent and nip at the heels of Nike whose U.S. headquarters are just a stone throw away in Beavertown, Oregon. Leslye Mundy, a Nike spokeswoman, said the company took no insult. 'We understand why other brands would come to Oregon,' she said. 'It is the center of athletic footwear and apparel because that's where Nike is.'

Regardless of the company?s motives to move there, it will be a big boost for the city of Portland, who was severely hurt by the technology turndown. Last year it was the second worst-performing metropolitan area. The city actually offered Adidas-Salomon an eight million dollar tax cut, but the company declined, stating that they had already planned to move to that region. Since the city did not entice them there they felt it would be unfair to take the tax credit.

Clearly if the Salomon corporation plays all their cards right in the future they will stay on top of the sporting goods industry. With the help of their new facility and new technology Salomon will be able to make significant strides with advancements of their products. We might be seeing skis that tell you if you are skiing correctly, or clothing with built in heaters. It is their advanced way of thinking that makes them such a unique company.

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'Good skis, but the graphics and names of the ski's turn most people off'

That just amused me cuz we all know how important names of our skis are.

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I'm so fucking tired of reading Volkl ads masquerading as opinion on this website. If you want to purchase ad space for your favourite company, please contact CKO or Mr.Bishop.

Bahahaha... or, you could call it the 'elitist snob' cult. Anyways, my family already owns a country club, so no thanks.

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My only problem with salamon is the spaceframe construction in their skis. I think it leads to lower performance than laminate constuctions due to instabilitiy at speed and bad feel to the ski when you push them. I think there boots are probably the best on the market though.

 
It's nice that Salomon supports freeskiing at it roots. Power to them for that. But their skis are still inferior compared to most other skis on the market.

And to whoever says that people don't like salomon because they are a big corporation, what about Rossignol, be biggest of the bunch? Or K2, who just purchased Volkl? People rave about those skis on this site. These guys are big, but people don't hate them.

The big problem is that Salomons have a cheap foam core. I'm not gonna say foam core sucks, because some skis (like the Rossi Bandit series) have foam core and kick ass. And when you first buy a pair of 1080s, they are pretty wicked skis. But, their foam construction IS inferior. It breaks down. By the end of one or two seasons, the skis are less than half of what they used to be. They become floppy and lacking in energy. Most people don't plan on buying a new pair every season, so why get a ski that wont last?

And yes, I do admit that there are people on here who hate on Salomon because that's what they see and people, as a rule, are followers. BUT, there has to be leaders to point out that Salomons skis are inferior for the followers to follow right? It just doesn't work any other way.

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1) freeskiing might not exist without Salomon. Thanks to their marketing team, newschool skiing, the twintip, and the entire lifestyle was spread across the world.

Yeah that was the past, what do they do for freeskiing now? Throw money around for advertising, do they really care about us?

2) on that note, why don't we take a look at the list of people whose careers were launched by Salomon: JP Auclair, JF Cusson, Mike Douglas, Vincent Dorion, Philou Poirier, CR Johnson, and more recently, the Olenick brothers, The Dumont, Charles Gagnier...

Hmmm every wonder why half those guys have left?

3) Let's take a look at their current team: Peter Olenick and Simon Dumont, arguably the two most publicized skiers during the last calendar year. These two guys have pound for pound had more coverage than anyone else in print and film recently. Charles Gagnier: need I say more.

Yup, very solid team but look at the LINE or Armada team, better athletes for under half the payroll.

4) Salomon supports the sport at the grass root levels: without their assistance, events such as Progression Ski Camps, the all women's freeski clinics, would not exist. Likewise, it is Salomon that has funded the skicross world tour, along with several regional events utilized to promote the sport.

Yeah they do a good job supporting camps and shit but once again, look at the small time companys like Armada, they sponser movies and comps and yup, they are .0001 the size of the Salomon/Adidas/Taylor Made corp.

5) bitch all you want about the quality of the skis, but the 1080 is far and away the best selling twintip of all time, while the initiation of the Pocket Rocket project has changed the ways in which all manufacturers construct their skis, whether recreational all mountain boards or pro level backcountry twins.

Yeah I wouldn't dought if the 1080 is the best selling twin but they price it the same amount as the Ar5, Volkl Karma and yup, they kick the shit out of the 1080 for actual performance. I'm done now.

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stop talking shit about this 'they dont give a shita about us those big corporate companys'

Look on what segment on skis they are pushing forward next year and last year, fucking freeride skis, maybe not all twintips but still freeride skis.

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I do give them props for helping launch the sport, but im not going to buy their skis.

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Nope. I think that Olin is responsible for launching the freeskiing movement. After all, they made the first Mark IVs wayyyy back.

COMON PEOPLE. You can say the same thing about just any ski company. If salomon hadn't done it (although what they did still remains debateable), somebody else would've. On top of that, regardless of what they did or didn't do for freeskiing, their stuff today still sucks. Their skis (which might FINALLY be coming back) have been garbage for several years, their bindings remain garbage (albet extremely expensive garbage) and I don't know a lot about their boots. They're the walmart of skiing. Even their shoes suck. I bought a pair for trail running and had to stop wearing them because the 'revolutionary' footbed and shape of the shoe almost crippled me. If you like Salomon, to each his own, but I still and always will think they suck.

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i bet line wouldve started the twin tip movement if salomon didnt, and line created the first big mountain ski, the mothership

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I'm not saying that these big corporations don't care about us because look at K2, their twintip skis are under a different brace 'The Factory Skis' and Mike Gutt does a really good job with them. If you want proof email K2 and you will get a reply within the next week, try that with Salomon... nooope.

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^you mean the first big mountain Twin.

you people keep saying that wood cores dont last as long as foam cores. thats complete bullshit, if you're a strong skier, neither will last more than a season and a half of tough skiing. sure, they may ski differently, but at that point, it just boils down to how people ski. My old Dorion 1080s were the most durable ski i've ever ridden, and they skied really well too. i havent tried them since the spaceframe was introduced, but from all my friends that ride them i've heard nothing but good things.

oh, and a big factore in deciding between Volkl and Salomon is price. the 1080 is something around 450 canadian, and the Karma is about 700 canadian. thats a huuge difference. and i'm riding Volkl Explosives cause i got an awesome deal, and yeah, they rock

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nickf321, your answer to question four is super weak. armada and line put nowhere near as much money into the newschool scene as salomon does. whether they care or not is an issue, but nevertheless, they pour in a LOT more money than other companies, especially core companies.

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They don’t lysine to the public they just think if the development team likes them and some of the pros that are paid to like them do then its all good. If I owned a company and the public didn’t like what I was doing I would change it that second and fire my development team. If the people want wood cores and good original graphics instead of shitty 1991 Microsoft computer graphics or some good tips and bases that hold up then that’s what they should make. If they were smart they would monitor this site and see what people think. Now I thought they would get this hint in the 06 models but from the recent pictures posted from what I can see the graphics are still dull. For the new core, and general construction I don’t know. I think they are the best selling twin tips because the way they market it to resorts and rectal shops general people who dot care about performance as much as price and the deal that they are getting per quantity. Also if they pay a rep at a shop to sell them then the sales person will convince any newbie that it’s the only way to go using some big words like space frame lol.

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^ i think salomon is doing just fine, if you read what phrosty posted they target the 18-40 year old market. The opinions of 12 year old supercool jibbers are of little consquence to them, they only follow trends anyways. Its popular to dislike salomon at the moment so they will follow along.

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there is so much writing and worthless lines of crap...but my point is that i use 1080s and pocket rockets and i love both, so dont be frontin

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i ride rossis but ive tested out the 1080 and the pocket rocket, and i like both skis. There pretty good they let you hit the jumps rails, pow and groomed stuff, sure there are prob better one out there but there alot worse, like how come noone bitches about lines, sure they have dope graphics, but there limper then a 75 year olds cock, and they put more bs into the market then anybody, and im not gonna say anything till i try it but all these new companies that just came out in the last few years a few dont look too promising

Merse you sexy potatoe you better be doing some thing fucking crazy up there, see yea soon br-ah

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the only reason i ever say something bad about a product is because i've tried they're stuff and don't leik it, and i did try the salomon 1080's and i didn't leik them...do i not have a right to say so?

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I know its awesome they made the twin tip, but even that was just to make money in their eyes. A ski that you can actually ski backwards on, what little kids wouldnt want to buy that. Sure they do do alot of sponsoring of skiers and events but its still based on money. And yes i know that is expected, all businesses want money.

Its only for decoration thats it and thats all

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^^actually Roy, you're a bit out of date. Line skis USED to be limper than a 75 year old's cock, but they LISTENED to their customers and made their stuff a whole lot stiffer and more durable. that's the difference. salomon hasn't changed shit in 3 years despite customers' complaints. go ride lines again and then you can have an opinion.

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Lets not start on line. 'Limper then a 75 year olds cock' maybe like the 2000 models lots have changed since because Line progresses maybe Salomon should try the same.

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Lanks...QUOTE: nickf321, your answer to question four is super weak. armada and line put nowhere near as much money into the newschool scene as salomon does. whether they care or not is an issue, but nevertheless, they pour in a LOT more money than other companies, especially core companies.

Yeah I sorta worded it wrong, what I meant was that LINE and Armada put more money in for the amount of money to their name vs Salomon does. It makes sence to me but it's hard to explain.

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Ride1080 you know what I’m talking about! what I don understand is your name and pic they clash in this situation lol

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NickF321 you are missing an VERY IMPORTNAT FACT that you dind;t understand about Lank's awsners. yes Salomon might put more money back into it volume wize but you can't look at that way. When you buy a 1080 ski my guess is at least 70% of that will go into there racing development program and what not while 30% will go back into newschool industry. Where as Armada will put 100% of that money back into the industry and newschool ski development. It's just that Salomon's 30% is more $$$ then amrada's 100% becuase every boner on the hill and there grandma are either sporting 1080's or pocket rockets. Therfore lanks has a very good point.

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and just because salmon;s 30% is more then armada 100% doesn't make them a better company for supporting our end of the sport, in fact in my eyes, it makes them look worse.

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^ oh k cool, i could really tell what your point was.

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*couldn't

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Foam Core VS Wood Core...

The density of foam is just as good as wood today in this day and age. You beeches don't know anything.

Lot's of race skis are made of foam. I'm pretty sure race skis (although a gay sport) are made to deliver under way more stress then a landing a jump and or a kinked rail.

You guys are just making excuses cause you don't like the big guy on the block. Face it, if not for 1080's this wicked sport of freeskiing wouldn't exist.

If not for Salomon there would not be ______ (enter fav ski brand name).

Stop dissing the 1st ski brand to believe in our sport.

It's so funny how skiers eat their own while snowboarders support each other. You rarely hear kids beech about Burton for being the 'big bad nasty corporation' Hell no. Burton's the 1st snowboard brand. That's rad.

Salomon is like 50yrs old, they made the 1st twin and they had the 1st team and they invest the most and beleive the most in our sport. And that's a bad thing? Whatever...

Back to cores. Foam is lighter (this is nice when hitting something you want to want to cork a ski)

Foam uses less WOOD.. ho-hum Trees... You may have heard of these things. They grow from our earth...

Foam last just as long as wood.... It's called technology... think about...

As for careers. Post #1. You're so right.

Hey who here can diss a guy like Mike Douglas. Damn you!! That guy has done more for this sport then anybody. Most of the great things Salomon has done are because of that guy who still believes in the 1080. So when you diss Salomon freeskiing and the 1080. You're dissing him cause without him the 1080 and your ______ (enter fav brand ski) wouldn't exist.

FYI - ski companies make skis so that you buy them... Just like Sony makes TV's and playstations so you buy them... It's all done so that people buy stuff...

There's no evil empire... just cool brands like Salomon which brings more to the table then the lines, k2, rossi's, heads and especially the armada's and 4frnts who joined when things got good!

 
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2 things

1st) yes the snowboard communtiy supports burton...hmm but do they invest there intrests into there racing development program? or there rental program? hmmmmm NO

2nd) did you just try to say buy faom because it uses less trees? hahahaha the chemical processes and layup up of compostie foam in ski does alot more damage to the environment in the process of it's manufacturing as well as in it's disposel, then wood, so don;t try to pass that as a good point. And the amount of wood cut down for ski manufacturing wood not even come close to solving deforistation problems and clear cutting, in fact those problems are not soley based on what the wood products are cut for but the opertaors themselves.

other than that i agree with you

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