Salomon Boots not fitting in FKS bindings?

gnartogue

gnartogue

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I just got off the phone with the shop that mounted my skis and they are claiming that my Salomon Quest Pro 110 boots "do not fit" in my 2019 FKS. They say that the heel of the boot is too wide to engage the heel piece all the way. They claim the only way to make it fit is to grind down the heel of the boot which I am hesitant about... Anyone every heard of this?
 
14341294:colorado_frenchy said:
Hmmm what?? That doesn't seem right
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That's what I thought... It's my first time going to this shop. I'm thinking maybe they don't know about the screws on the heelpiece that adjust the height of the arms? Going in tomorrow to see what they're talking about
 
14341313:gnartogue said:
That's what I thought... It's my first time going to this shop. I'm thinking maybe they don't know about the screws on the heelpiece that adjust the height of the arms? Going in tomorrow to see what they're talking about
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what shop did you go to?
 
if it is DIN certified then it would fit. Sounds like the shop doesn't know whats going on.
 
This is the second time I hear this story to come from S&W this week. Show us a picture of the exact boot. Some of the old Quests were WTR, and won’t work with any Pivot except for the 12/14 WTR versions (which the FKS was not available in).
 
I’ll get a picture when I’m home. They are definitely older. They’re the blue, green, and white ones
 
14341390:animator said:
This is the second time I hear this story to come from S&W this week. Show us a picture of the exact boot. Some of the old Quests were WTR, and won’t work with any Pivot except for the 12/14 WTR versions (which the FKS was not available in).
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If that was a WTR problem I feel like it would be an issue with the toe piece not the heel piece though
 
14341420:colorado_frenchy said:
If that was a WTR problem I feel like it would be an issue with the toe piece not the heel piece though
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The required heights are different for toe and heel lugs between WTR and 5355 so it would be both toe and heel
 
14341433:animator said:
The required heights are different for toe and heel lugs between WTR and 5355 so it would be both toe and heel
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Any suggestions on this? Is it fixable or am I SOL
 
14341435:gnartogue said:
Any suggestions on this? Is it fixable or am I SOL
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Show me the sole boot like from the side and from the bottom and show me the binding

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topic:gnartogue said:
I just got off the phone with the shop that mounted my skis and they are claiming that my Salomon Quest Pro 110 boots "do not fit" in my 2019 FKS. They say that the heel of the boot is too wide to engage the heel piece all the way. They claim the only way to make it fit is to grind down the heel of the boot which I am hesitant about... Anyone every heard of this?
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Unless your soles are funky, then the shop is being fucking stupid. The boots and bindings are both DIN certified, which means they've gotta match (unless the boots have a non-compatible sole). But show us the sole of the boot first.
 
If the soles are WTR you should be able to find regular alpine DIN soles for those boots and can swap them out.

I seem to remember someone having a similar issue and the mount was off and the forward pressure was not set properly. The "arms" were hitting the sides of the heel of the boot.
 
14341560:mystery3 said:
I seem to remember someone having a similar issue and the mount was off and the forward pressure was not set properly. The "arms" were hitting the sides of the heel of the boot.
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yeah, if this is not the case in this case too I would be hugely surprised. The longer out you have to go on the adjustment, the narrower the trapezoid become at the side of the dildo, and the heels lacking willingness to engage is more often a not of excessive forward pressure.

I dunno, if a standard google search didn't result in lots of hits on the matter then it is highly unlikely that one of the largest manufacturers in the world would screw something this basic up - aka make a heel that is too wide / thick / whatever. It is not like these boots are indvidually sculpted...

I am also not aware of the WTR lugs being different / thicker in the heels. I've used several WTR pair heels with none WTR toes (Cast) and have never had any issues. I dunno, one of the strengths of the pivot bindings is the ability to compensate vertically in the rear - so barring excessive forward pressure / setup issues this kinda sounds likee a tech who is freestyling solutions. I dunno, I am no Pivot-guru.
 
14341466:animator said:
Show me the sole boot like from the side and from the bottom and show me the binding

**This post was edited on Nov 4th 2021 at 9:53:02pm
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They say ISO 5355 on the bottom which I understand is a regular DIN/Alpine sole right? The skis and bindings are at the shop I’m going after work I will take pics. Thanks for the replies everyone
 
I've used this exact same boot in a Pivot binding.

Sucks to say but 2/3 of ski shops don't know what the fuck they are talking about in my experience.
 
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14341837:animator said:
Did they grind them down????????
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No I told them I was going to take them somewhere else. I guess the problem was the boot wasn’t pushing down far enough to engage the brake all the way because it was hitting the “arms” on the heel piece. They still have my other boot because they are adjusting my other set of skis, but it seems to look fine…
 
14341857:gnartogue said:
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No I told them I was going to take them somewhere else. I guess the problem was the boot wasn’t pushing down far enough to engage the brake all the way because it was hitting the “arms” on the heel piece. They still have my other boot because they are adjusting my other set of skis, but it seems to look fine…
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Bring em to me
 
14341857:gnartogue said:
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No I told them I was going to take them somewhere else. I guess the problem was the boot wasn’t pushing down far enough to engage the brake all the way because it was hitting the “arms” on the heel piece. They still have my other boot because they are adjusting my other set of skis, but it seems to look fine…
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Looks fine at a glance but I’d like to bench test them to be sure. If they’re ISO 5355 (which that sole is) they’ll match up just fine.

14341868:pinkcamo1000 said:
I have a theory that a lot of ski shops just straight up don't understand how pivots work
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This is not a theory, it’s a known phenomenon. They’re really not complicated but so many shops are just straight up smooth brained when it comes to them.
 
14341734:No.Quarter said:
I've used this exact same boot in a Pivot binding.

Sucks to say but 2/3 of ski shops don't know what the fuck they are talking about in my experience.
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Yep. It's 100% worth it to mount yourself and buy online most times. I get it, bUy LoCaL but when they pull this shit they aren't selling what I want anyway.
 
14341868:pinkcamo1000 said:
I have a theory that a lot of ski shops just straight up don't understand how pivots work
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you won't understand until you go through the pain of bending 75mm fks brakes to fit 92mm skis and almost lose a finger to the dildo snapping into position
 
I had to take my Roxa alpine heels to a belt sander to get them to work well with pivots. For some reason the heels on the boots were a little wide and hit the forward pressure arms. This prevented the heel from sitting all the way down in the binding.
 
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