whoever said it might be a layer to wear under a jacket, it's really not. It's more of your traditional puffy coat meant more for casual, although obviously beefed up by saga to be more for skiing. One thing that is also cool about it is that it is reversible and the inside is camo, so it's two coats in one. I'm super stoked on it as I have a similar puffy jacket that just isn't long enough for my liking, and Saga will definitely take care of my length problem hahaha