RWD hoewagon for the Cottonwoods

StoinkyDoinky

StoinkyDoinky

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title pretty self-explanitory unless you're dyslexic or sum

anyways i own a ford exploder (explorer) that i love to death. seats fold down so i can get cry myself to sleep in comfort. anyways its a damn rwd. and i live in utah. no im not selling it. no im not buying a winter beater. (in my defense i paid $4k for a $7k car.) last winter was aight, never went up the canyons bc my acl decided to go away but it did pretty well just around town. question is, what's my best move if i wanna go up the cottonwoods in that ish? traction law isn't my main concern, moreso i dont wanna get stuck and frick up everyone's day. i've thought about 250lbs of ballast in the back, cheap takeoff blizzaks, or chains.
 
14619322:eheath said:
Well, you have to use chains when the traction law is in effect.
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understandable but i'm asking what the best option is. i could go blow $500 on a set of 3pmsf tires so i'm legal but i'm broke. ski bus also fricks hard. just wondering if people have experience in canyons with rwd.
 
14619325:StoinkyDoinky said:
understandable but i'm asking what the best option is. i could go blow $500 on a set of 3pmsf tires so i'm legal but i'm broke. ski bus also fricks hard. just wondering if people have experience in canyons with rwd.
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Maybe you're misunderstanding the law, regardless of your tires, if you have 2WD you are required by law to use chains when the traction law is in effect.
 
14619325:StoinkyDoinky said:
understandable but i'm asking what the best option is. i could go blow $500 on a set of 3pmsf tires so i'm legal but i'm broke. ski bus also fricks hard. just wondering if people have experience in canyons with rwd.
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If you're incapable of figuring this out on your own, stay the fuck off the road because you're dumber than shit.
 
RWD is fine in the winter, if you have good tires and some weight in the back. Throw a couple of sandbags in the trunk, get some real winter tires and chains, and you'll be all set. Use your chains when the chain law is in effect. Don't be one of those morons that thinks they can sneak up without chains, you'll just end up fucking your car, and holding up traffic for everyone else driving up.
 
my brothers i'm not asking for lip here. literally just asking if anyone had experience with chains, snow tires, or anything of the like with a rwd car. asking this question so i don't figure out the hard way that chains aren't enough to make it up the canyon. that's all
 
14619365:SendyMcSendyface said:
RWD is fine in the winter, if you have good tires and some weight in the back. Throw a couple of sandbags in the trunk, get some real winter tires and chains, and you'll be all set. Use your chains when the chain law is in effect. Don't be one of those morons that thinks they can sneak up without chains, you'll just end up fucking your car, and holding up traffic for everyone else driving up.
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this what i needed my good sir thank you. may your dm's be flooded for years to come
 
14619366:StoinkyDoinky said:
my brothers i'm not asking for lip here. literally just asking if anyone had experience with chains, snow tires, or anything of the like with a rwd car. asking this question so i don't figure out the hard way that chains aren't enough to make it up the canyon. that's all
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if chains didnt work, wouldn't you think they'd not allow 2WD at all? just follow the rules and you'll be fine.
 
14619372:eheath said:
if chains didnt work, wouldn't you think they'd not allow 2WD at all? just follow the rules and you'll be fine.
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you right, gonna just suck it up and get chains. thanks for yalls input
 
14619375:StoinkyDoinky said:
you right, gonna just suck it up and get chains. thanks for yalls input
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Unfortunately it's the only option and you will make it up for sure, weird that your explorer isn't 4WD.
 
The traction law allows 2wd with 3PMS tires. 4wd only needs mud and snow tires

Quote from cottonwoods page on Utah.gov "2WD: 3 peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) tires (on all four tires)

is the minimum requirement. Traction devices such as chains are also

acceptable."

14619334:eheath said:
Maybe you're misunderstanding the law, regardless of your tires, if you have 2WD you are required by law to use chains when the traction law is in effect.
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14619414:SlushSeason said:
The traction law allows 2wd with 3PMS tires. 4wd only needs mud and snow tires

Quote from cottonwoods page on Utah.gov "2WD: 3 peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) tires (on all four tires)

is the minimum requirement. Traction devices such as chains are also

acceptable."
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no shit, that must have changed recently because as far as I knew it was 2WD was chain required. post that link for OP
 
i guess i wasn't clear in my original post. i've skied the cottonwoods for ten years, i think know the traction laws and whatnot. i was specifically asking for personal experiences on whether tires, chains, or some magical spell on my car would work best, and other tips for rwd cars. something along the lines of sendy's reply.
 
14619433:StoinkyDoinky said:
i guess i wasn't clear in my original post. i've skied the cottonwoods for ten years, i think know the traction laws and whatnot. i was specifically asking for personal experiences on whether tires, chains, or some magical spell on my car would work best, and other tips for rwd cars. something along the lines of sendy's reply.
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might be fine with the tires especially if theyre new, but if its super snowy you might wanna have chains on hand.
 
14619433:StoinkyDoinky said:
i guess i wasn't clear in my original post. i've skied the cottonwoods for ten years, i think know the traction laws and whatnot. i was specifically asking for personal experiences on whether tires, chains, or some magical spell on my car would work best, and other tips for rwd cars. something along the lines of sendy's reply.
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Honestly don’t know how bad it gets there but rarely put my truck in 4WD in bridger canyon and i70 past two seasons.

These were the cheapest LT tire with the snowflake I could find, and were fantastic. Cost me like 600-700 for a set, 265/75/16s. Basically felt the same as a set of studded tires I previously.

https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/rocky-mountain-all-terrain
 
Tires > 4wd in lcc

a 4wd with fucked tires is just as fucked as as a rwd with fucked tires

guy was right about trac law. Tires alone can pass. Reason eheath was confused is I think they changed it when they rolled out the sticker program/not checking at the mouth.

What id do is buy fucking nice tires. You can get em cheap on ksl typically. Then buy some beater ass pair of chains and throw those in the back. weight in the back wouldn’t hurt

experience. Sometimes my old ass Tacoma doesn’t go into 4wd. Which requires more thought when going up lcc. Oh and have been broke with shit tires before.
 
14619797:mikem said:
guy was right about trac law. Tires alone can pass. Reason eheath was confused is I think they changed it when they rolled out the sticker program/not checking at the mouth.
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As guy: yeah my fwd hatchback with Blizzacks does way better than most Taco bros with M+S tires.

2wd = 4wd on the downhill. On the uphill it can be a little harder with 2wd, but LCC doesn't have any really steep sections like BCC. Just get good tires and try to avoid going too slow uphill
 
2nd the good tires.

I remember pushing a brand new AWD Mercedes with a Cali plate out of a parking spot and telling him to gun it up a hill to get out and he barely made it

Then a 2WD 2010 prius happily pulled out and wen on its way in the spot next to us.

Difference was the prius had snow tires
 
14620169:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
2nd the good tires.

I remember pushing a brand new AWD Mercedes with a Cali plate out of a parking spot and telling him to gun it up a hill to get out and he barely made it

Then a 2WD 2010 prius happily pulled out and wen on its way in the spot next to us.

Difference was the prius had snow tires
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facts. I plowed through shit in my old FWD volvo with an open diff and solid winter tires that I couldn't get through in my 4runner with a locker and dogshit tires.
 
14620492:ramlaKramlaJ said:
You winter tire laws sounds spooky. I'm rocking studded tires for the whole winter.
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Utah has a pretty mild climate, we don't get snow pack and ice on roads, it's either fresh snow, slush or plowed with salt. Studs are pretty rare in SLC.
 
Not getting up/down cottonwoods via horse travel is a big mistake buddy. While yall are stuck up there id be sallying forth to me hearth on my steed dakota
 
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