Rossignol S3- 1 Ski Quiver?

j_hamborg

j_hamborg

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So here is the deal, last year I bought a pair of Rossi s5. They are 98 underfoot, I was thinking they would be my 1 ski quiver. Wrong! I mounted them 3cm up from classic to give me a little more tail on rails and stuff but because of this they don't generate much lift in the deep stuff. Now Rossignol came out with the new S3. 98mm underfoot with early rise tip and tail. This ski is sick! A few of my friend have bought them, mounted same place as my ski they work so much better! I know they will be too wide for most park skiers and not wide enough for powder hounds but for everyone looking for something that will work well for both check it out. Just thought I would share my opinion.
 
Yeah, the ON3P Jeronimos are real similar, I guess I was just getting at the early rise tip and tail. The Blends and Chronics I know don't have this.
 
also, the way the rocker works actually makes the ski symmetrical. like the parts of the ski actually touching the snow are symmetrical
 
The ones I skiied were +3 from traditional. Knee deep pow,and then groomer back to the lift. So like both ends of the spectrum
 
another thought...has anoyone worked out where symetrical centre is?

The ski is rockered tip and tail but obviously the tip rocker is bigger than the tail and they are symetrical on regular camber

From what i have measured on mine +6 is length/2...perhaps not symetrical centre???

I mounted mine a +3 for versatility in the end, i am thinking that its possibly closer to symertical also!

ur thoughts?

 
i'm going to hazard a guess and say that 'recommended' (0) is the middle point of the symmetrical camber portion of the ski since that is a major selling feature on the ski and that is where it is designed to be ridden at.

if you want to ride more centered because you are switch in a lot of soft snow, then(i would assume) they have beefed up the toe piece area of the ski to handle a more forward mount and the pressures that are associated with that positioning
 
Fair point...i just very roughly ran a ruler across the base and it seems that the narrowest point is looking like the 0 mark.

i guess the benefit of plus 3 is going to be little bit more tail on hucks and in the park and a little bit more balanced when spinning. also landing switch obviously. I guess you trade off some float in the pow and the risk of tip diving.
 
unless you ride a lot of soft snow switch, i wouldn't even move the mount forward for park riding. The ski is DESIGNED to be ridden at "0" so it feels like a symmetrical ski (good for park). Would you take a pair of symmetrical punx or anthems and mount them +3 of center? no...because they are going to ski like shit on hardpack! same goes for the s3 i'm guessing (since i dont own, or ride a pair).
 
buy the schitzo bindings system and get the best of it all! with its sliding mounting point adjust-ability, you can ride the ski anywhere between 0 and +6 whenever you want :P
 
That is actually a really good idea. They had the S3 for demo on the demo day at Stowe but I never got around to trying it. I wish I did becasue this ski really interests me. And I really want to figure out the mounting position. Recommended seems like the best bet.
 
so the past few days have been some sick pow days and my coach rides S3 for park has them centered. her rides for Rossi so you know his powder skis are the S7's. so because my only ski due to budget is the Line invaders. Me and my coach both wear a 25.5 boot, so on pow days when he skis his S7's i ski his S3's which are like pow skis for me because I'm 5'4. and they are 186 and early rise and rocker. i know 186 is way to long for me, but they actually don't feel long at all except for in the lift line.
 
I bought them last week, tried them like 3-4 times, they are sick. '' Could be happier '' .
 
wow, i did the same exact thing with the same exact ski and i think the same exact way as you do man! after i saw the S3 from this year i now really want them!
 
Do these skis feel sluggish on rails, how easy is it to wash out if you land a little backseat. Are theses skis actually good for park?
 
go the obsethed's fucken get over the park

if your not a pussy and you go big then the obsethed is fine on small jumps there mehh but i mean fuck that go fat man especially with todays product. perfect one ski quiver
 
angry... The obsetheds are so boring, they are made for what seth skis straightlining alaska. Anything else, just terrible.
 
I have the S3 for my non hellbent days. I'm not to good in writing reviews but here goes:
OLDFRED's Non-Comprehensive Review of the 2010 S3 Sticks:

I have the 186 S3 Koops. I'm 5'11 205 lbs. All mountain jibber chiller. I go into the park just for jumps. I don't do rails cause I'm old and I know that I would sacktrate my nuts on them and my girlfriend would chop the rest of them off if I didn't have kids with her before that. I started skiing 5 years ago. Self taught with free private lessons from my bud who'se a level 3 instructor. I like long walks on the beach and don't jerk off anymore since my girl caught me doing it while I was playing farmville on facebook.
Alright...
Ski: Well, I've been looking for a an all mountain, groomer, park jump non pow day/after day tracked out type of ski or a One Ski quiver type of ski. I wanted it primarily for the local mountains that I ski at when I'm not up at Whistler. I wanted a versatile ski that wasn't a noodle and was stiff enough to handle my fattard weight. I also didn't want something too skinny in waist as I need a little more width when landing jumps.
I looked at the Alpha 1, Kung Fujas, Reno Rockers, Jeronimos, Wall, Afterbangs but I chose the Rossis in the end. I don't regret it at all.
I mounted them with Rossi 120 bindings at +6. This is almost true center mount. When measured from tip to tail ( which funny enough is exactly same length as my 179 hellbents)...true center would be +6.25. Tip to Tail is 72".
Terrain: I skied 10 days on them up at Whistler in 40cm pow, cut up pow, and tracked out crud. First impressions was that unlike the Hellbents, I could actually carve in these skis. The new dimensions of these skis really increase the versatility of your skiing and you don't have to overcompensate translating to more skiing. Being that it was center mounted, it lost a bit in powder. But that could be because of my weight. I think a +3 mount would have done the trick. But nevertheless, these skis handled well even with a center mount. I could easily link turns in and out of trees with either slide, slip or smear turns. Plus when I was on the cords and opened it up, they hauled like a milffo... Forward or switch.
The tail is stiff though. Which meant that when I took it to the park jumps....THEY POPPED! Nice swing weight...not the best but for a ski that big and wide and granted I have boat bindings on they did admirably. Butters were easy to initiate as should any ski of this category should be. The nose/tail is a bit softer and is perfect for butter smears off of knuckles or just off the ground. Of course I can only do butter 3s. Switch jumps...gotta be careful if you load up too much...or not...but then again, you're probably a better skier than I am.
I also skied them 3 times around the local mountains in chopped wind crud, ice, ice and ice with a hint of ice. The sidecut, even though reduced due to the early rise still allowed me to do well in ice. It held it's edge and slayed the grooms. Initiating turns like I said earlier was easy.
Conclusion:After riding the Hellbents for the last 3 seasons in ALL conditions, I am glad that I bought this ski. It should definitely be considered a possible one ski quiver. It performs well in every snow condition that I took it through plus was playfull and mulitasked my all mountain jibbing. The best all round ski I've had...but then again it's the only one i've ever had.
The only minor suggestions I would have would be to keep everything this year plus add:- a longer length- and add WRS to it...make it lighter. Last year's S3 had WRS and when I weighed it against the Koops it was a lot lighter. When I weighed my hellbents with Rossi 14s to my S3s w/ 12s...the S3s only weighed a pound lighter. I know I know...Rossi bindings are heavy...but they're bombproof and I can't afford a girlfriend, skiing and marker bindings...something's got to go.
OLDFRED.
Anyways...that's my lengthy non full emcompassing review of the S3 Koops
 
Nice review. I actually picked up a pair of the S3s as well for my non S7 days. Though I have been mostly skiing them nights in the park on some very hard pack and ice they have preformed really well and are a lot of fun. I will say for anyone looking at this ski keep in mind the actually contact points with the snow make the ski ride 10-15cm shorter in length.
 
Im +3 since i wanted more of a true all mountain, but the from all the information I have come across, (including Rossi official) if your looking for true park get close to or at +6. Though the design looks more like the S7 it is true twin tip throughout the actual running surface. Hope that helps
 
Sorry forgot to answer your switch question. I'm still working on perfecting my switch riding but so far I have not had any issues and I have been mostly working on my skill on cold hard/icy nights up here in the PNW. They link turns pretty effortlessly and at high speed. I have been nothing but happy with my choice to pick them up and in the 186 even though I am 5'6. As I said in my 1st post these run a good 10-15cm shorter in true running length.
 
could you (or anyone else that owns them) post a picture of the camber? im interested in these but would like to see how much rocker they have because i have not seen specs on rocker anywhere
 
Just so you know, depending on your length the early rise will be more or less, there is a noticeable amount more tip and tail rise on the 186 over the 177.
 
I can totally confirm this. There is distinct difference between the rise of the 186 and 177 but not between the 177 and the 168, but when putting them side by side the running surface seems to be closer to 15cm less on the 186 and more around 10-12cm on the 177 and 168.
 
Jay, you know I'll disagree with you on this. You just don't have enough power when you ski to make them interesting. Since I don't ski park they are my everything ski, and there is nothing boring about them. The flex profile is perfect for pretty much anything. They hold an edge hard, rip any pow whether straight lining or tree skiing. Just like you said, made for what he skis, which is what I just said as well. But then again, I thought your S5's were bland, so I guess agree to disagree.
 
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