Ron Paul

7 months IS a very long time. When was this ever about Ron Paul's methods anyways? We werent talking about that, we were talking about the youth vote....

And as for the state of the country, blah blah blah, its always a different country every election. Its a pretty normal election as far as I'm concerned so far, and I'm not expecting anything more. People dont want another Bush, true; but that wont make them vote for a candidate that is extremely different than what they've been used to seeing. If you think so, I'm sorry, but that just not how the country works, despite how it probably should.

Look, I'm not trying to put this guy down or anything as a candidate, I honestly like some of his ideas so far. But thats the key phrase, so far. To be so decided already on one candidate seems a little extreme for me, as there is still over a year in which anything could happen. To be honest, its die hard political fanatics that put me off of candidates, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. If you really want to support this guy, spread the word sure, but dont beat everyone over the head with it.
 
theres a lot of good dicussion here... but let's get to the real issues...

What's his position on abortion and gay marriage?

 
whats he going to do about global warming?

cuz with global warming theres not going to be skiing.

i really doubt any republican will do anything
 
Well, hes not a typical Republican, I'll say that much. I dont think many politicians will really do anything about climate change, no matter who we elect.
 
You put up fewer and fewer good arguments every time. Where to start? Yes, most youtube users are young. Just because many people don't go on youtube doesn't mean that they can't. No, internet illiteracy does not and should not disqualify a person from voting. Just because people are not very familiar with Ron Paul does not place them in the "unintelligent" crowd. I'm not very familiar with say, Tancredo's policies, why? Because they are not front runners and they don't get a ton of press coverage. Does this make me unintelligent? Does it make me ignorant? I don't know, you tell me. But I do know about Ron Paul's policies and I can tell you with so much certainty that I would gamble my first born child on it that he will not win the Republican nomination. He differs too much with the republican base. And stop telling me that he is a true conservative, that is irrelevant. He does not hold enough of the same values as the rest of his party.

AS for the whole Daily show thing. My god. Of course Stewart was "actually egging on Paul to talk shit, especially about Guiliani." That is his job. He is by no means a political analyst. He is a comedian. He gets great reviews and more viewers if he starts little feuds within the party. It is what his show is all about and always has been. It does not matter at all if Stewart backs him even a little bit. It doesn't matter if Stewart backs him 100% and closes every show with "thanks for watching the Daily show, vote for Ron Paul." It's all part of the show. As for declining to downtalk the other candidates, it has nothing to do with him being a better man, nor does it have to do with his being a pimp (how does this possibly qualify him to be president, by the way?); rather, negative politics makes for bad PR and honestly, he cannot afford it. He has far too much ground to make up before he can even think about it.

Oh, and Stewart absolutely could say how he hates the corruption of the government on national tv and still keep his job. He has said many worse things than that before. And it still doesn't matter who Stewart likes and who Stewart does not like. And that is terrific that those cards would work "if the debates were actually like a high school shit talking fest." But since it's not, they don't.

Yeah, Jon Stewart makes funny jokes. It pays the bills and is politcally meaningless.
 
When Jon is not cracking jokes, that's when you know it's serious and should be watched as a true interview. When he is cracking jokes, it's because he needs the comedy time.

The fact that he gave Ron Paul some jokes at the end has NOTHING to do with him supporting Ron in any way, that's part of his spiel. It's funny. Zingers, hahaha!

If Jon has ever said to support any candidate, it used to be McCain, and now Obama. The "subtle" references towards these two candidates, Obama in general, are there. Ron Paul... not so much.

I mean, sorry conceptkid, but are you sure you're over the legal age limit to be riding this high with Ron?
 
Thats funny, because Ron Paul is winning both the CNN polls and the MSNBC polls for last nights debate. And he is not winning by just a small percentage, hes winning by a freaking ton. And he only got like 5 minutes to speak, while McCAin etc got about 12 minutes and he is still kicking their ass.

I know your argument against that already and you are going to say"well, alot of Pauls supporters know how to use the interwebs!!" Yep, this is true, his supporters know whats up and know how to use technology and more are learning everyday. Apparently the other candidates have some supporters who use the net to since they got votes. But basically no matter if he wins every poll up to the election, you will make an excuse for why Paul is getting so much support. I dont want to hear it.

Go start a thread about your own candidate that you want to support and I will come in there constantly and bash him/her ok? Just because you (one person) doesnt think Paul will win, thats great for you. Your one vote doesnt mean shit. You cannot argue that alot of people are backing up Paul and he is getting alot of coverage. He has been on CNN multiple times etc.

Seriously, go try to start a thread on one of the other candidates, no one will care. People obviously care about Paul and are doing all they can do to get him in, more people are joining too because they want to be apart of something real.
 
*sigh* Dude, whatever. Internet polls dont count for shit since half of the country cant operate a web browser. They always are weighted towards extreme candidates who's supporters will do anything to 'prove' that he is well supported.

I'm done here. Take what I said or leave it, but please realize its what the majority of this country thinks.
 
Man, you two (eleven and concept) are annoying. I like Ron Paul, I'll probably vote for him, but you guys shit a brick any time the guy fuckin moves. If you had the capabilities, you'd probably bump a thread or make a new one every time the man successfully took a shit. Sure, that's a big deal for somebody his age, but come on, we know you like him already.
 
you might have a point if it were any other candidate, but ron paul has a freakin huge support base and the media wont address it so people need to talk about him and show videos and give links. also im keeping the discussion in this thread, how is that annoying? he needs to be talked about this poll had 30k people vote in it so far http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18963731/ and he is winnning by a large margin. he is winning the cnn poll too.
 
I MIGHT have a point? It's an opinion, I don't have to have a point. You bump the shit out of these threads and people on here don't need constant reminders that he's "#1 on youtube polls!" or whatever.
 
Why does it matter if he is leading an internet poll with 30,000 people? Do you think AARP people are voting on the internet? All internet polls are biased through most demographics. Also, even in theory, how would getting rid of the Fed benefit us?
 
why are you trying to didcredit me? i said cnn and msnbc, they are a tad bit more important then then the non exsistent youtube poll you just mentioned. and yea i bump them so what? this is an open forum.
 
discredit you? By saying a youtube poll? Weren't you the one claiming that youtube memberships were a credible source of support? But hey, whatever pal, bump all you want, you're still going to be annoying and I'll still laugh.
 
Wow, you guys are idiots. If for example Guiliani was winning these online polls (or whoever the government or you wanted to win), you guys wouldnt be saying shit and you would be like "ZOMG LOOK AT ALL HIS SUPPORT!!" But since a somewhat 'unknown' candidate is winning like every poll, people start making up as many excuses as they can. So if these online polls are so 'easy' to be biased, why do they even have them then?? Seriously, that arguement sucks dick. Just give it up. This country is based on the freaking internet and now you are trying to tell me that the interweb is not legit. There are actually robots sitting on their computers voting multiple times over and over right? hahahh...get a life. I bet at least 75% of people in the US that care about politics and where their country is going, have access to the internet. This is the 21st century. You snooze, you lose.

Im just doing the rest of NS a favor by keeping them informed about Ron Paul during the debates especially. So xwaktearkneickidiotx, you are saying that posting info about the debate (that just happened yesterday and is a big deal) is related to Paul taking a shit??!! Good god man, get a clue. Alot of the people on NS probablly dont watch the debates, Im just trying my best to keep them informed on whats happening and let them know who the real candidate is and what his views are. Its called being active. If you want to start up a thread about who you think should win, be my guest. NS has a big visitor base of people who share the same interest as me (skiing). I have the freedom to voice my opinion here as much as I want and so do you. It's like you are against people joining up to stand up for one cause.

 
people need to talk about Ron Paul, ALOT. the media isnt doing a good job so if anyone of you want Ron Paul to have a chance you need to show people videos, show them links, talk to them about why any other candidate would be horrible. it shouldnt be annoying to hear about a presidental candidate as good as Ron Paul
 
http://inteldaily.com/?c=144&a=2276

This is rediculous, these guys are actually promoting dropping another nuclear weapon when the country is absolutely no threat to us as a whole. God I cant believe how stupid people are, to actually ruin this planet by dropping nuclear weapons. Thank god we have Ron Paul to save us from these idiots, thats why we need to get him the Repub nomination which is 7 months away and will be here before we know it. If you are one of those people who have to have a president that has exactly the perfect stance on everything you think of, you need to make a decision now about who you are going to back. I highly recomend Ron Paul. Previously to finding out about him, I hated Politicians very much, but Paul is the only truly inspiring and intelligent and well spoken politician I will prob ever see in my life. Come on folks, this is a HUGE deal, we can save our country.
 
Dude, I don't care if you don't back any candidate that I might endorse. I don't care if I change your mind or not about Ron Paul. I don't expect to. I have been posting here for the benefit of others so that some of the narrow minded among us don't just see your posts like "Ron Paul was on the Daily show and Jon Stewart backs him ONE HUNDRED PERCENT JEAA JEAA JEAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!" and are somehow swayed by it. I am posting here because well, people should have a two sided view of things.

As for his outstanding ratings in the polls, I addressed that in a previous post if you are really interested in why I think he's doing this well. You might notice how badly Paul is doing among registered republicans, given his outstanding results in the debates. After all, he is going to need the support of a whole lot of republicans if he is to get nominated.

If you don't believe me, here's a source:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/ron.paul.html

I certainly do see your point about people care about Ron Paul; I mean, just look at the tremendous support you have accrued in this thread alone. That's internet sarcasm for those of you keeping track at home.
 
A message brought to you by Ron Paul himself via email. Sign up for his newsletter

on his website so you can keep up with what hes doing. This 4th of July is kind of

a special one is seems like. Honestly, i dont think any of the other candidates

can write something like this and actually talk to the individuals out there as well

as Ron Paul can, honestly, just read this letter and be blown away by how great of a

speaker Paul is.

Happy Patriot Day!

July 3, 2007

After an airport rally in Arizona recently, a tall black man in an Obama shirt

came up to shake my hand. He said he had stopped to listen, stayed to learn,

and now wanted a Ron Paul shirt. And sure enough, when I saw him again, he was

wearing one.

Diversity is much talked about these days, for purposes of government

enhancement, but its reality is rare. However, I've seen it -- everyday, in our

campaign.

Young people, middle-aged people, seniors, whites, blacks, Hispanics, new

citizens, old-line families, Republicans in suits and ties, hippies,

home-schoolers, high-schoolers, homemakers, small business people, workers and

capitalists, all united in their love for country and Constitution.

As my great mentor Ludwig von Mises showed, government meddling in the economy

creates conflict, as special-interest groups seek to rip us off through big

government. The voluntarism of the free market, on the other hand, brings

social cooperation and peace. That's why this campaign is a showcase for the

real unity-in-diversity that is freedom.

Of course, the number of young people continues to thrill me. When I ask them

how they got interested, they usually mention the Constitution. Old-style

permissive parenting held that kids should do as they wanted, but kids want and

need rules, and they know that government needs them too. Thus our Constitution

-- the few, good rules for a society of liberty, and for the social and

international peace that we all want.

Two other notes: conservative talkshow host Michael Smerconish told me he has

changed his mind on the war, and now agrees with us. And a Republican county

chairman in South Carolina said I am unwelcome in his county because of my

position on the war. He will help all other candidates, but not me.

But just as the Iowa exclusion didn't work -- we had more people, and far more

enthusiastic people, than the official event -- so this man will not be

successful.

You can help make sure of that, with your generous donation

(https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/) to this campaign. We run on a comparative

shoestring, and that has its advantages against the lumbering dinosaur

operations of our opponents. We can be nimble and quick. But not without your

help. I'd be so grateful for your contribution.

Warmest regards,

Ron Paul

 
uhhhh he is right you newb. USA has been in the Middle east for 10 years plus bombing, killing, destroying taking over shit, we have been there before the war on terror thinking that we own the place and we can do as we please. Well put yourself in their shoes, maybe do you think that they might be a little pissed at us for occupying their territory. There is alot more to it than that, but 9/11 didnt just happen all of a sudden for no reason at all you fucking idiot. Plus the fact that before 9/11, the security of our flight system was lax beyond belief. It wouldnt have been that hard to hijack a plane pre 9/11 if you really wanted to. So basically he is right about that. he didnt say we deserved 9/11, he just that we set ourself up for it you idiot.
 


I copied and pasted this because I couldnt have said it better.

The Untouchable, Unstoppable Ron Paul

Dana Gabriel | July 9, 2007

First

they tried to ignore him, then they tried to embarrass him, and now the

attack dogs are out in full- force. In a desperate attempt they are

trying to dig up any dirt from his past, but Ron Paul doesn't have any

skeletons in his closet. He is a model of consistency, which can't be

said for most politicians. The hit pieces are mounting, and many are

trying to misrepresent him and his message, but to no avail. You must

be doing something right when you are getting attacked from all sides.

If Ron Paul has no chance of winning and he is nothing more then a

second-tier candidate, as many are suggesting, why is there such a

concerted effort to discredit and silence him?

Ron

Paul is a threat to the establishment, to the Republicans and

Democrats, and to this whole fake paradigm. A transformation is taking

place, and he represents the common-sense revolution. Many in the

anti-war movement who supported the Democrats and helped them gain

control of the Senate and Congress now feel betrayed. He is restoring

hope to those who have given up on the political process and his

passion for freedom has many gravitating to his campaign. He is the

only one out of the Republican presidential candidates who opposed the

Iraq war. He favors a humble foreign policy and wishes to spread

democracy by setting a good example-- one that other countries will

want to emulate. The good doctor prescribes a restoration of the

constitution, and his message of liberty, limited government, lower

taxes, and preserving American sovereignty is resonating with many

voters.

Recently,

Ron Paul was not invited to participate in a Republican candidate's

forum in Iowa. The event was co-sponsored by the Iowans for Tax Relief.

Something didn't seem right-- after all, Dr. Paul has never voted to

raise taxes. It then came out that one of the key organizers was active

in the sinking ship that is now the John McCain campaign. What a

contrast to Ron Paul, who has momentum and is a candidate on the rise.

Something had to be done to try and slow him down. Ron Paul stated,

“It's the control by the political establishment to want to exclude the

viewpoints, which many people consider telling the truth.” He went on

to say, “But there is a limit as to how much they can do to silence

us.” He was right, and instead of hanging his head down and feeling

sorry for himself, he did something about it. A rally was held in the

same venue as the forum and Ron Paul outdrew all the other candidates

combined. Talk about something blowing up in your face.

Ron

Paul is running for president because he loves this country and wishes

to save it. He is very approachable and makes himself available to

everyone. He represents ordinary middle class Americans, those in the

anti-war movement, freedom lovers, and those sick of big government

corruption. Republicans, democrats, libertarians and independents;

there is room for all in the Ron Paul tent. His message is such a

contrast to the bought and paid-for candidates, and that's what makes

the dynamics of his campaign so exciting and refreshing. Does he have a

chance of winning? I believe so, but even if he didn't, supporting him

is the right thing to do. Unfortunately, many have to be associated

with one of the media-chosen front runner candidates, as it empowers

them. They feel they have to be on the winning team and choose between

the lesser of the evils. This time we don't have to--we have the right

man with the right message.

The attacks on Ron

Paul are becoming more frequent as the mainstream media and some of the

other candidates put a negative spin on his campaign. There is an

effort to downplay all his accomplishments. This includes his huge

internet presence, the fact that he has won several on-line polls, and

the success of his rally in Iowa. When reporting they refer to his

campaign as doomed and say that he is little known outside of Texas,

with no chance of winning. This is the underdog story the media usually

loves to report on. They have exposed themselves and by continuing to

attack him this will only bring more people to our side.

His

detractors in the mainstream media and some in his own party might have

thought that Ron Paul was going to be a pushover and just fade away

into obscurity, never to be heard from again. To the contrary, he is in

this fight to win, and the lesson is to never underestimate your

opponent. This serious miscalculation could very well come back and

bite them. Ron Paul is doing something revolutionary in the sense that

he is speaking the truth, and the people are ready to listen. This race

to the White House isn't over by a long shot. Ron Paul isn't about to

throw in the towel. The longer he stays in this race the more people

his message will reach. We are on the verge of something big, and we

all have a chance to make history.

 
obama is not pro-war and absolutely does stand for the constitution. it's hard to define someone as pro-war when they are against the war going on right now. obama is only saying that we need to put the pressure on countries like iran that could really be a true threat, he never said that we need to go to war with them. and as someone who has studied and taught constitutional law at harvard and university of chicago law school and reads the constitution on a regular basis, it's easy to see that he does stand for the constitution. i entirely respect your choice to support ron paul, but do just that, don't talk false trash about other candidates. there's just no way i'm voting for a conservative in this election. plus he says one of the major issues in this country is abortion, and that Roe v. Wade needs to be reversed, which is not cool.
 
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/

PEOPLE, PLEASE CLICK THAT LINK and JOIN the Ron Paul meetup group in your area. Its a really good networking site for people who want to get together to make things happen regarding the best ways to spread the word about Ron Paul and his message of real freedom. Its also a great way to meet intelligent people who care about what is happening in this country. Networking with new people is always a good thing and can possibly lead to more in the future. The elections are just getting closer and closer, people need to re-register as a republican so you can vote for Paul as well. But what really needs to happen is spreading Ron Pauls message to every single person you can. (Its a good time to start painting graffiti in your town :) Be a part of something in the here and now.

Here is a writeup from today from ronpaul2008.com.

July 13, 2007

Press Release: Ron Paul Goes 20/20







GOP presidential candidate's eCampaign reaches unparalleled levels of success

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

July 12, 2007

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – The Ron Paul presidential campaign has reached

two important benchmarks of success: 20,000 YouTube subscribers and

20,000 Meetup group members.

As of today, the Paul Campaign's YouTube channel has 20,302

subscribers, giving the organization a powerful platform for their

popular videos. The GOP candidate with the second most subscribers is

Mitt Romney with 2,416. Barack Obama has 8,807.

Dr. Paul also has 20,677 individuals in 428 cities across America signed up though Meetup.com

to participate in grassroots activities. Meetup members have thus far

held 1,127 events for Dr. Paul: walking neighborhoods, making signs

and handing out literature. Barack Obama has 5,327 Meetup group

members, while Mitt Romney has 29.

"Our campaign is growing by the day," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "Dr.

Paul's message of freedom, peace and prosperity is spreading across the

country like wild fire. It is exciting to see online attention

translate to action on the ground."

 
I haven't been on for a while and I was rather pleased to see the Ron Paul debate back in the mix today.

Conceptkid, I have to say that I disagree with you about the eloquence of Ron Paul's July 4th address. Just because he can write better than you by refraining from inserting the word "JEA!!!" at the end of each sentence does not make him a terrific writer. There were several grammatical mistakes. He also seemed to struggle with putting more than two relevant sentences together before changing the subject.

Before you get defensive, I would really appreciate if you would answer me one question, and here it is: What qualities do you see in Ron Paul that you think will make the Republican party nominate him as their candidate? And don't say how he is a true conservative. Although that, he may be, it is irrelevant when he differs so much with the rest of his party.
 
nt a neocon war profiteer, look at his record. he is not a corrupt zionist. he is against pre emptive war and illegal weapons that we and israel still use. he is against internet regulation. he is for a small government. he is the only candidate besides gravel and kucinich that does not bend to the will of aipac. my proof lies within his and others voting records. obama publicly supports israel, he never said he would do anything to iran but he was asked directly if he would consider a nuclear first strike against irans to stop there nuclear progam and he said nothing should be taken off the table. iran is not a threat. they are not crazy muslims who are killing our troops like the media paints them. they are a moderate democratic country that is actually standing up to israel. irans president never said israel needs to be wiped off the map, that is absurd. it is 100% false. he said " the imam said this zionist regime must fanish from the pages of time". which is totally different. obama and hilary and pretty much everyone other then ron paul supported this war against iraq and it was not because of the shit intel saying iraq was trying to develop wmd's i dont buy it. and if they did buy the intel that should show that they wouldnt be great leaders because they are fucking morons. obama is a horrible choice compared to ron paul, and if your going to say i will simply not vote for a conservative again then fuck off, you are the typical know nothing apathetic blind sheep that should be allowed to vote. the only choice is ron paul. i love abortions, but i dont think him being pro life takes away from his message at all. obama would not cut spending and reduce government like RP would, he doesnt have 1/4 the expierience RP has. he is a zionist socialist, voting for that after what GW has done to us seems fairly illogical.
 
I think Ron Pauls history alone is enough to nominate him. He has always been a true libertarian and fiscal conservative through and through, he was an obstatrition for a good 30 years, and in that time he never took any form of medicare or medicade. In his ten terms in congress he has never once voted for a congressional pay raise, never once voted for raising taxes, and refuses to take a congressional pension when he retires (the only congressmen to do so). Also he has ran for president before and he knows the ropes. His domestic policy is pretty golden in my mind, and although he is a little to isolationist in his foreign policy which isnt to my liking, at least we know he wont be running around the world starting "preemptive" wars.

Is that enough for you?
 
First of all im sure he was joking when he said that if you are internet illiterate you shouldnt be able to vote. I would have to also say that not know at least some of the policies of all of the canidates makes you at least ignorant if not unintelligent. Its a terrible excuse to say that you don't know much about them because the media doesn't really cover them, do you really rely that much on the media for all of your information? (ps. Tancredo is very anti immigration you should know that). It pains me to see that you have absolutely no faith in Paul, I think he really could have a surprise victory with conservatives, because he is the only candidate who is actually a fiscal conservative, perhaps with the exception of Thompson (Fred not Tommy).
 
Just a question, as quite the constitutional scholar you are. Do you believe in a living constitution or a dead one?
 
you people should see who fred thompson supported in the early 90's. he lobbied for one of the worst tyrants in recent history. comparable to idi amin. i forget his name but he was haiti's pres. fred thompson is a corrupt fuck. rudy is a crossdressing cousin fucker is hated by most NYC firefighters and cops. mccain is out of the race. romney is a mindless mormon. hilary is a zionist whore, seriously how the fuck does Ron Paul not stand out to you people! you think obama is the fucking revolution? i understand obama has a hell of an education, can someone please tell me why he is better then Ron Paul? ANY candidate? someone please.
 
It's just a different set of priorities that other people have - for example; some believe that taxes are OK as long as they are helping people while clearly, others believe that the only way to help people is to not tax them and let them be independent. Why do you always get angry when people disagree with you?
 
and to answer your question on a candidate, anybody who is pro-choice is obviously going to disagree with Paul's stand, thus making him the weaker candidate in their eyes, on that particular issue.
 
Here is my short answer since Im at work and dont have alot of time to type.

The Republican party has lost any and all integrity that they may have had before President Bush. If you didnt notice, Bush's approval rating (Republican) is at like less than 20%. The Republican party is weak and has no real leadership or someone who makes strong well supported decisions. Long story short, the Republican party would be stupid to not nominate Paul because of his huge growing popularity, his oldschool Republican values (not newschool shit, old repubs wanted smaller government like Paul wants now). Republicans are big on business and strive for Free Trade (which Paul supports), since the internet is a big part of business these days, Paul does not want to see the Internet being manipulated by the government. The republican party has been strongly against all foriegn wars that have started in this country, this list goes on. I will post up more later.
 
haha im not angry at all just confused. im asking a simple question to all the non RP supporters or obama supporters and i doubt i will get an answer
 
there are a few threads on Obama in which you'll find why people support him. His health care plan, for example, allows people to get healthcare they couldn't otherwise afford but isn't a universal plan in which we are paying taxes for those who can't help themselves.
 
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