Rob Ford - Mayor of Toronto

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Sorry if this is a repost, but last night the city of Toronto (extremelyyy liberal) elected a man named Rob Ford, who is probably the most right wing mayor in Canada. Basically the background is the current mayor fucked up the finances real bad, huge debt, no respect for tax payer money, and this guy ran to end the "gravy train". In 10 years Ford's had over $500 000 given to him in expense budgets and never touched a dime. I personally love the guy because he tells it like it is and doesn't polish anything. Plus he's going to cut taxes and fees like crazy and dismantel the socialist regime at city hall.

However, he has said some really greasy stuff, check it:

1. Homelessness LOL

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On Bike Lanes:

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Ford gets called a "fat fuck" LOL:

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Nice work Toronto... ugh. Rob Ford. Maybe it is time to look to your friends in Calgary afterall. That guy is an utter embarrassment, and although I think Toronto is great, I just lost a little respect.
 
i voted for rob ford.

my vote for rob ford was a middle finger to all of the old toronto libtards.

and even then i vote for the person that will piss off the most people,

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Fuck him.

I had a friend that was doing an energy mapping project for the city of Toronto. She had been completely dedicated to this, and had worked her ass off for a long time on this project, only to have the new mayor come in and pull the plug on it.

Other than that, he does seem like a fat fuck, his thoughts seem to be those of an ignorant as fuck red-neck.

Have fun Toronto!
 
He got elected last night and he`s not even mayor yet. How could he have POSSIBLY done this. He's coaching a football game right now lol
 
just ignore him. he is an elitist liberal. about as bad as a redneck conservative.

facebook was pretty hilarious after rob ford won. so many ignorant kids its amazing. hating the guy because he is going to cut down on grafitti. the youth of today are amazing!!
 
"Radical" politicians of any persuasion tend to be a mixed bag. Unless you subscribe to their exact ideology, there will be things about their agenda with which you disagree. They do, however, get shit done.

As some people contend (I don't): Say what you like about fascists; they run the trains on time.
 
Haha man ive been saying that to my buddies too! He does sound like him when he freaks out. Ford is a fucking joke, some of the shit he says is so funny. Im glad I dont live in toronto anymore though.
 
Rob Ford deserves silence until he starts making policy...

Just like Obama deserved, and everyone else who gets elected
 
"let him yell for a minute and blow off his steam and then will go on with the meating" i cried, this guy is hilarious he doesnt take shit from anyone about anything and says what hes thinking, you have to respect that even if he is imature
 
I've never really considered that to be a respect-worthy attribute. Stupidity shouldn't really be respected. I hope this guy doesn't ruin Toronto.
 
thats right, canadians are supposed to be politcally correct. that way, no one really knows where you stand, and they won't tell you how you really feel until you leave the room.

pussies.
 
i was gonna tell all the slitherman voters that if they don't like it they can move to kingston, but then i remembered i wouldn't wish that on anyone.
 
No, it's good to know where a politician stands, but just because he does, in fact, stand for something, doesn't necessarily instantaneously make that politician someone worth listening to or at least worth respecting.

I guess in that regard, he's worth respecting because he does say what he stands for, but he is pretty blantantly an idiot. For that, I can't respect him.

Not saying that they are, but Canadians should be polically mindful, and shouldn't just play into the platitudes and BS some idiot spouts. The problem with people, and democracy in general, is that people rarely engage themselves enough, so they go with what they "know" or hear.

Yeah Ford, rip out those Streetcars... that'll help TO. Get rid of those bike lanes... good boy, turn Toronto into the most unsustainable city in NA. Excellent work. Toronto is a big city and it damn well better act like it.

Sorry guys, but this isn't about partisanship. This guy, straight up, is crap.
 
Get a fucking clue kid, do you realize how inefficient street cars are? They're half the reason traffic in downtown T. is so goddamn bad. I'm pretty sure there are larger cities than Toronto, without street cars that don't have a horrid problem with pollution.
 
thats cool. give more road to the bikes, so that the majority of the people who commute from outside of the city in their cars get bigger headaches. and lets not forget that it is those people in the boroughs who amalgamated with old toronto because it was pretty much bankrupt. we prop up the city with our tax dollars, and then you want to purposely make it more difficult for us to use our car to commute? i don't think so.
 
Is this where I mention that I'm currently studying a Masters of Transportation Systems course that is largely unique to the entire world?

I hate to play that card, but "kid" doesn't quite work for me. Steetcars are not ineffecient. They are only your personal objective perspective of what inefficiency is. Single occupancy vehicles are the definition of inefficient. They work for small centers, but large urban areas don't do so well without mass transit. In fact, there is essentially no such thing [large urban center where mass transit doesnt exist], whether informal or formal.

Here:
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Efficiency and perceived personal freedom are not even close to the same thing, so don't try and argue it.

You made the original claim, so why don't you name a city with a larger, equally dense population that has no pollution problems? Well, assuming that your assertion makes logical sense to begin with.

Perhaps you can start your search with the mega cities in Asia, Africa or SA? Or take a look at some US cities with very underdeveloped systems? So, no pollution? Regardless (and do tell if your in depth research leads you to conclusion that substantiates your claim,) that is not even close to the only factor that needs to be looked at. You are, after all "pretty sure."

All this is moot anyway. Ford is terrible for continuing to push TO into the world city that it could easily become. His thought process appears to stem from 20 years ago. Things have changed. I'll let him do his thing, but I have very little faith.

Anyway, if you care to continue trying to argue that the personal vehichle is somehow more efficient, you should start a new thread so as not to derail this too much.

 
I can start off by saying look at Cape Town. In terms of pollution, it has less than Toronto, quite a bit less pollution. I've been to Cape Town multiple times, and it's actually IMHO far nicer than Toronto(aside from all the coloreds trying to sell you stuff) In terms of actual pollution, my brother has asthma and it becomes much worse when he's in an urban center that has pollution, none whatsoever in Cape Town or Jobo(anecdotal evidence I know, but evidence nonetheless). Your research may say otherwise, but after having spent 3 months there over the past 2 years, I can say it is not nearly as bad as Toronto(while having a comparable population). My sister who I am currently talking on the phone with has a Masters in Environmental Sustainability from UWO agrees with me on this, Hout Bay/Cape Town is decidedly less polluted than Toronto, while having a comparable population. While you do grasp transportation systems quite well, I don't believe you understand the environmental ramifications.

You, and every other bleeding heart Liberal don't realize that maybe Toronto will come out of this for the better, you won't hemorrhage money while trying to accomplish the simplest of tasks. If I didn't know better I would assume you were a second year Queen's polysci student.
 
anyone who is against Rob Ford should take a long cold hard look at themselves, THIS IS A MAN that will probably CUT SPENDING everywhere, RESTORE books to positive numbers and CUT ALL THE USELESS utter crap spending, ridiculous public sector SALARIES. THIS IS THE KIND OF MAN EVERY STATE IN AMERICA EVERY CITY, EVERY SENATOR, AND THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE THIS TYPE OF PERSON, AMERICA IS RUNNING HUGE LIKE RIDICULOUS DEFICITS WHICH ARE DRIVING YOUR COUNTRY INTO THE HOLE, SOON CHINESE PEOPLE IN CHINA WILL HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD OF LIFE THAN YOU GUYS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE OBAMA, TIMOTHY GEITHNER, BEN BERNANKE AND ALL THE SENATORS WHO APPOINTED THESE PEOPLE. BUT OF COURSE THIS IS NEWSCHOOLERS where everyone thinks obama is the second coming of christ. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK, did you vote for obama cus he's black? GOOD FOR YOU IDIOT.
 
The thing that pissed me off the most during his "bike lane" speech was that 70% of Toronto's cycling accidents are caused by the number one public transit polluter and waste of space, FUCKING STREET CAR TRACKS. I cant tell you how many times i have bailed biking the streets of queen/spadina area, fucking terrible system.
 
smitherman would have increased spending everywhere, leeched off the system, appointed a bunch more USELESS public sector jobs and more bullshit. Jeeze everyone is so much about image these days they'll vote for the candidate which "appears" better not the one that will actually do stuff that makes sense. SMALLER GOVERNMENT at every level including municiple is GOOD.
Politics needs more people like this not the countless very liberal idiots running alot of municipalities/provincial governments and the democratic MESS we have in the states right now.
look at the states for example. People voted for Obama there "the messiah" he was suppose to accomplish so much but what happened... unemployment is at DEPRESSION LEVELS, food stamp usage is at DEPRESSION LEVELS, the US dollar has been devalued to shit to the point where i wipe my ass with 1$ bills (sometimes) haha... in a few days you will witness the democrats lose a shit tonne of seats to the republican party because of their stupidity.
 
Has 22 Minutes gotten a hold of this stuff yet? If that show is still running.

I'm excited for the time when they do.
 
this. what kind of idiot takes out bike lanes?

bikes are a cheap alternative to cars, which cause pollution, and you know what i dont even fucking care so you can figure out yourselves on why this guy is an idiot for trying to remove bike lanes.
 
Bike lanes are great but realistically they just don't work in Canada. You have 5 months out of the year to use them, and to be honest there not used that much. The other 7 months of the year they sit there and clog up traffic...
 
that show reeks of bias. its simply nothing more than a way for liberals to laugh so that they suck in more their smug*

*farts.

rick mercer sucks balls.
 
i use them for a solid 8 months in toronto, and my dad usually bikes to work so a little snow wont stop him. he bikes to work 12 months a year.

do you really think we are covered in snow for 7 months of the year? it would be great if that were true, but some americans are so uninformed its just ridiculous.
 
I'm not sure that bleeding heart liberal correctly suits someone that comes from rural Alberta, but maybe you know better. This partisan BS really should be avoided.

I'm also not sure whether you meant your sister agrees with you that Capetown is less polluted than Toronto or whether she agrees with you that mass transit is not a good solution (as I believe this is the point you are making?) If the latter then I don't have much confidence in your sister.

Anyway, with regards to Capetown: I asked for an example that is equally dense - Toronto's urban area is about 2.75 times more dense than Capetown. Now I appreciate your anecdotal evidence, and as I have never been to Capetown I can understand that you might well perceive it to have less pollution but evidence might suggest otherwise:

First of all, not all air pollution affects the lungs and not all is visible. Secondly, here is some historical data:

Toronto (pg 55):http://www.toronto.ca/health/hphe/pdf/weather_air_pollution_impacts.pdf

Capetown (pg 7)http://www.environment.gov.za/soer/reports/gauteng/Chapter 7 Air Quality.pdf

They seem to be fairly even in levels of SO2 and NO2, but Capetown appears to have higher ground level Ozone. Couldn't find any comparitive data for PM10 as Toronto seems to measure in PM2.5 anyway. Doesn't overly matter, because PM concentration doesn't necessarily tell the whole story because it doesn't necessarily give the amount and it's corresponding size. Different particulate sizes have different affects. Had the same problem with CO.

Secondly, you seem to be arguing that Toronto has more pollution than Capetown. Guess what tends to be the largest contributor to this, at least with regards to CO and NO2 (NOx)? Transportation - in the form of fossil fuel burning vehicles!! NOx affects breathing. So in effect, your saying that Toronto is polluted - moreso than Capetown; this pollution largely comes from vehicle emissions, and to combat it, we should actually encourage more use of vehicles... (?) Probably not what you intended.

Interestingly enough the questions in and of itself can't really logically be answered anyway, at least not with respect to what we are underlyingly trying to figure out here.

The amount of pollution within a city and its subsequent concentration is influenced by more than how much the city itself creates. Weather and geography play a role as does built form, dispersion and source concentration, hence why I asked for an equally dense one. These in turn, are affected by economics, culture, mentality, land use and a myriad of further things.

So I guess it is possible to sort of say which city is more "polluted," but it has a great deal more to do with factors aside from mobility alone, albeit that is a big one and it really only tells a small part of the story.

What you can, however, be sure of, is that 100 people driving 100 cars creates a hell of a lot more air pollution than those same said people being transported by 2 buses or 1 centrally powered streetcar. We haven't even started getting into what the subsequent land use, when used for the vast amount of space required for freeways and the communities they serve, then contributes.

And, as you seem to be concerned with the economics of the whole thing, it's... gasp, cheaper as well. That is, of course, if you regard the many extranalities that historically have largely been "forgotten" with regards to the automobile. Think about it yourself. Density is cheaper and it's essentially simple math. However, let's leave that discussion elsewhere.

Really, what the car provides is a higher degree of freedom (although that could be argued) and convenience (that isn't properly being paid for.) Of course it provides mobility and is thus very useful where no alternative is feasible - such as rural areas or small centers, but as originally stated, Toronto is no such thing.

So yeah, if Ford does in fact, dismantle the steet car system and neglect bike lanes, then Toronto will have regressed. Oh yeah, Capetown too wants to implement better mass transit:
http://www.pikeresearch.com/blog/mobility-hubs-to-help-reshape-urban-transit
http://www.andrewboraine.com/2009/11/integrated-rapid-transport-in-cape-town-no-other-alternative/

as does essentially every other city in the world with a decent population.

My undergrad was effectively Environmental Engineering FYI, assuming this of course, matters.

 
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