qazwsxedc34
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While the U.S. government turns its back, arming the enemies of their own enemies. I sure like Oatmeal.
Respect to President Putin
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While the U.S. government turns its back, arming the enemies of their own enemies. I sure like Oatmeal.
270on420out
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l like Putin more than most of this year's presidential candidates,
californiagrown
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13703586:THEDIRTYBUBBLE said:
thats not a funny joke
Negromancer
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Got to have respect for Putin, doesn't beat around the bush and says what he thinks.
californiagrown
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Just cause someone is intelligent and rules with an iron fist does not mean he/she is a good leader lol.
The dude is basically the head of the Russian mob, and rules thusly haha
The dude is basically the head of the Russian mob, and rules thusly haha
Laurent.
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13703698:californiagrown said:
Every Russian I know and have spoken about him with, highly respect Putin as a leader.
Strength and masculinity are important in Russia and Putin represents these things to the Russian population.
Furthermore he dragged he wasted dried up country ruled by oligarch and mobs straight out of the sewer. Oligarchs and the mob hate Putin because he cracks down on them, hard. Putin has cut down on the choas and lawlessness that plauged Russia for so long.
Russia needs a strong leader and democracy does not really work with the culture and people there.
The positive sentiment towards Putin can be seen in polls where it has skyrocketed since the annexation of Crimea.
The negative turn the economy has taken is by many regarded as outside of Putins control as he can not affect the sanctions imposed by the western world.
This famous image omits 14/15, because it's older, and Russia's economy has suffered from sanctions and the low oil price, but it's stil a remarkable achievement what he has done.
[img=]http://i.imgur.com/P63jenG.png[/img]
In the end I'd way rather have Putin as a leader then that spineless twat my country currently has sat in the leather.
.MASSHOLE.
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It certainly is impressive to see what a head of state can do when he cracks down on free speech and dissenting opinions.
He certainly has turned the country around since he came to power, but to ignore the blights on his rule is foolish.
He certainly has turned the country around since he came to power, but to ignore the blights on his rule is foolish.
Laurent.
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13703723:.MASSHOLE. said:
The nation apparently wants it, the number of Russians who approve of censorship on TV has grown from 63% to 82%[1]
You should never ignore anyone's blights, but the USA on a geopolitical scale is far worse, Russia mostly keeps to itself. What has the USA started and ruined in the past decade or two?
Also look at how Putin is portrayed in the Western media, makes RT seem unbiased & fair.
[1]https://web.archive.org/web/20070929132453/http://www.russia-gateway.ru/content/NEWS/NewsItem_3026086/
qazwsxedc34
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13703723:.MASSHOLE. said:
Very true but we must also realize the extortion and corruption that has been committed here at home. For there is a crack down on expostulation, which oftentimes results in a few suicide bullets to the head. However, I am by no means discounting the actions of Putin.
.MASSHOLE.
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13703726:Laurent. said:
Assuming that translation is correct, that mentions censorship in media in the forms of "scenes of violence and sex (this opinion, respectively, 49% and 57%), as well as in advertisements dubious goods and services (30%), the intimate nature of the product (24 %) in the show promoting criminal lifestyle, movies (24%)."
The censorship I am referencing is that of dissenting opinions. The people who speak out against Putin and his government, the opposition. Again, assuming the translation is correct, it seems that a majority of the respondents do not believe the domestic media gives them the ability to express their opinions.
"Thus, 40% of respondents believe that in the domestic media have the opportunity to express opinions, dissenting authorities. Slightly less (36%) believe that it is not always possible to take advantage of. And 17% believe that the media are completely under the control of the state."
If one takes that poll at face value, it would indicate that there are dissenting opinions in Russia, but the majority believe that they are not able to give them in full.
Given this information, one would have to assume Western/Non-Russian media is the place to turn, and it seems that there is certainly merit to the claims that Putin and the Russian government crack down on the opposition. You have in fact, seen numerous Russian-Expats who left Russia for numerous reasons come out speaking against the censorship they have seen and encountered.
This is not a comparison of the global actions of the USA and Russia, so I am not going to defend or comment on either party's actions.
Laurent.
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13703729:.MASSHOLE. said:
It's a cesspool anyway, every internet thread regarding politics and Putin ends up in fifty page arguments. I'm in no mood for that either. Hell I'll just mention Hitler right now, then we at least have the godwin done for.
I'm not advocating for Putin but what he does from the view of his country he is apparently doing the right thing.
Also their police is stern but fair and dateable.
[img=]http://libertyviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Police-women.jpg[/img]
.MASSHOLE.
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13703727:fuckmekevin said:
Agreed on the corruption (not sure about the extortion), but there certainly is a difference in the levels of crackdown on opposing and dissenting voices between the US and Russia. Opposing voices in the US are certainly met with some resistance, but they are not discounted nor are they removed. In Russia it seems that they often are met with censorship.
That is not to take away from his leadership abilities, but it is certainly harder to judge when the dissenting opinions are drowned out.
.MASSHOLE.
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13703734:Laurent. said:
That whole picture is just....good looking.
californiagrown
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13703720:Laurent. said:
Haha, the guy doesn't allow civil freedoms, persecutes a large portion of the population, is a menace to other countries in the region, and yes he cracks down on the oligarchs and mafia... so he doesn't have competition as he does the same damn things they used to do lol.
But hey, being masculine is much more important...
vailsux.com
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13703720:Laurent. said:
The only people who hate putin more then the mob are doctors in Syria. The only Oligarchs who hate putin are the ones he doesn't own.
Putin's greatest accomplishment is the blindfold he's managed to place over the Russian's eyes.
Hope your ass recovers from riding the ogre sized rod that is Putin's propaganda machine.
TheHamburglar
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13703586:THEDIRTYBUBBLE said:
I said shit, me too!
corona
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13703720:Laurent. said:
This is so hilariously misleading. The numbers are right, but those are the same growth numbers you see in some of the most oppressive and backwards regimes in the world. It doesn't necessarily mean squat in terms of the country progressing into the 21st century. In fact the only reason the Russian economy has grown so significantly and at about the same rates as countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran is because of oil and natural gas. It's like 2/3 or 3/4 of their exports. That and globalization meaning an economy with a shitty currency, cheap workers, and corrupt as fuck officials is a good place to invest for manufacturing and mining and the like.
Essentially the huge upturn in Russia's economy has nothing to do with Putin. It would have happened regardless. Medvedev enjoyed the same growth (minus 2008) when he was in power.
In reality a chimpanzee could be in power and the same would have happened.
qazwsxedc34
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13703735:.MASSHOLE. said:
There have been many examples here in the US of freelance journalists being mysteriously killed.
In regards to censorship look up CIAs JTRIG, a faction that spends it's days censoring and using various psychological tactics to drown out and blackmail the dissenters.
I believe FirstLook.org has a few articles on it in depth whistleblowed by Snowdon and released by Greenwald.
californiagrown
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13703879:fuckmekevin said:
To be clear, are you saying that the USA and obama are as hard or close to as hard on dissenters as Russia and putin are?
.MASSHOLE.
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13703879:fuckmekevin said:
I wouldn't say Fox News, Bernie Sanders, Trump, BLM, or any other group currently railing against the current government or status quo being censored. You don't see that in Russia, instead you see people being silenced through force, extortion, and the like. There is a reason there is a large dissenting voice outside of Russia, it is safer.
Freelance journalists have died, yes. It is not a systemic issue however, and to point towards a massive conspiracy surrounding their death is rather tin-foil-ish. That is not to say one should ignore it, but there is certainly little evidence to point towards a massive conspiracy.