Rescue or Buy your dog?

[SnowshoeThompson]

I usually get my dog from the local shelter, they are way cheaper and they usually taste better

 

[CaptainObvious.]

Not necessarily. You can think of Inductive speeches as you trying to induce your audience's thoughts to follow your own. So you try to present questions that the vast majority of people know the answer to. Or, you try to make statements that you know the general population is going to agree with to get them on your side. Inductive speeches have a connotation of being skeezy and manipulative - mainly because they're the primary tool of politicians and any political debate. It's important that you start with a question and then lead your audience down the path you've tailored through over-generalizations and obvious questions.

For example(below does not reflect my actual opinion. It's the quickest way I knew to write this and it will show you why people think it's skeezy. But it can be done right - just not by me right now):

You're getting a dog. Should you buy it?

Well first, let me ask you this. Have you ever heard of someone getting a dog from the pound only to realize it has some heinous behavioral issue?

*People will nod at you*

Have you ever heard of someone - maybe even a close friend - who has adopted a dog, grown to love and cherish it, only to have it die on them after a year from cancer the previous owner never disclosed?

*People will, again, nod*

I've heard of it. Numerous times. I've heard multiple stories from individuals in the ski community who have lost pets who were dear to their heart. Families whose children were separated from their best friends because they adopted a dog with a serious medical condition the pound never told them about.

Now I understand that the sick dogs are not at fault. That's not something under their control and they deserved the love they received in their last months. I, personally, would be happy knowing that I was able to comfort a dog who spent time in pain. What I would not be happy with, however, was going through the months of adjusting my life to a new dog. Purchasing all of the paraphernalia associated with owning a dog. Growing attached to a dog and planning to spend years of my life with it by my side, only to have it taken away from me and taken away from my children.

Here's another question for you: Do you have $4,000 in your bank account you're willing to give me right now?

Because if your sick dog needs surgery, the bills add up fast. A single trip to the E.R. and a night in the hospital costs right around $1200. Just imagine what surgery would cost.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So you get where I'm going with this. You ask the audience questions and give them specific instances to drive them into a general conclusion. In this case, I'm obviously driving at the conclusion of "Pound dogs are the devil" but you could do this for whatever persuasion you want. You just need to spend time and outline what you're driving at and how you'll get there.

Also, you don't want to just assault the audience and turn it into a hate speech about why they're soulless if they don't agree with your position. 75% of a persuasion speech is getting the people to like you. If you're mean about things, or you don't throw in some comments that validate parts of the opposing argument, people will think you're close-minded. (again...refer to politics. The politicians who concede to a couple aspects of their opposing party are far more successful than those who are 100% conservative/liberal on every issue)

 

[Chubbs.]

Not necessarily. You can think of Inductive speeches as you trying to induce your audience's thoughts to follow your own. So you try to present questions that the vast majority of people know the answer to. Or, you try to make statements that you know the general population is going to agree with to get them on your side. Inductive speeches have a connotation of being skeezy and manipulative - mainly because they're the primary tool of politicians and any political debate. It's important that you start with a question and then lead your audience down the path you've tailored through over-generalizations and obvious questions.

For example(below does not reflect my actual opinion. It's the quickest way I knew to write this and it will show you why people think it's skeezy. But it can be done right - just not by me right now):

You're getting a dog. Should you buy it?

Well first, let me ask you this. Have you ever heard of someone getting a dog from the pound only to realize it has some heinous behavioral issue?

*People will nod at you*

Have you ever heard of someone - maybe even a close friend - who has adopted a dog, grown to love and cherish it, only to have it die on them after a year from cancer the previous owner never disclosed?

*People will, again, nod*

I've heard of it. Numerous times. I've heard multiple stories from individuals in the ski community who have lost pets who were dear to their heart. Families whose children were separated from their best friends because they adopted a dog with a serious medical condition the pound never told them about.

Now I understand that the sick dogs are not at fault. That's not something under their control and they deserved the love they received in their last months. I, personally, would be happy knowing that I was able to comfort a dog who spent time in pain. What I would not be happy with, however, was going through the months of adjusting my life to a new dog. Purchasing all of the paraphernalia associated with owning a dog. Growing attached to a dog and planning to spend years of my life with it by my side, only to have it taken away from me and taken away from my children.

Here's another question for you: Do you have $4,000 in your bank account you're willing to give me right now?

Because if your sick dog needs surgery, the bills add up fast. A single trip to the E.R. and a night in the hospital costs right around $1200. Just imagine what surgery would cost.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So you get where I'm going with this. You ask the audience questions and give them specific instances to drive them into a general conclusion. In this case, I'm obviously driving at the conclusion of "Pound dogs are the devil" but you could do this for whatever persuasion you want. You just need to spend time and outline what you're driving at and how you'll get there.

So I've actually started typing a Deductive outline

stating my thesis in the intro (which supports the adopting of a dog from a shelter over purchasing them from a breeder)

I then have 3 supporting paragraphs that support my conclusion

1. explaining shelters and how many dogs are without homes and why they can be just as good of dogs etc. and explaining some problems that can arise

2. explain breeders (because you have to give a 2 sided speech) and explain how much money someone spends for a pure bred and the type of problems associated with a pure bred

3. Using the data i got from this thread to further support my thesis through the results of the survey and some general opinions used about shelter/breeder dogs.

Conclusion

tie it all together to show how much better rescuing is than purchasing a breeder puppy

 

[CaptainObvious.]

So I've actually started typing a Deductive outline

stating my thesis in the intro (which supports the adopting of a dog from a shelter over purchasing them from a breeder)

I then have 3 supporting paragraphs that support my conclusion

1. explaining shelters and how many dogs are without homes and why they can be just as good of dogs etc. and explaining some problems that can arise

2. explain breeders (because you have to give a 2 sided speech) and explain how much money someone spends for a pure bred and the type of problems associated with a pure bred

3. Using the data i got from this thread to further support my thesis through the results of the survey and some general opinions used about shelter/breeder dogs.

Conclusion

tie it all together to show how much better rescuing is than purchasing a breeder puppy

Yes. That looks good for a deductive outline. If your assignment is to give an explicit 2-sided speech, inductive would be really hard because it relies so much on crowd manipulation. It can be done, but I'm not skilled enough to tell you how.

For your breeder paragraph, I would mention the money aspect, but focus more on the concept of poor living condition, careless breeders, health hazards, puppy mills, etc. You want to highlight breeders as a problem, and not just expensive.

 

[Chubbs.]

Yes. That looks good for a deductive outline. If your assignment is to give an explicit 2-sided speech, inductive would be really hard because it relies so much on crowd manipulation. It can be done, but I'm not skilled enough to tell you how.

For your breeder paragraph, I would mention the money aspect, but focus more on the concept of poor living condition, careless breeders, health hazards, puppy mills, etc. You want to highlight breeders as a problem, and not just expensive.

yeah I just added puppy mills to that paragraph overview so it gives me more negatives to say about that part of the speech.

Now i just have a shit ton of research to do

 

[Chubbs.]

yeah I just added puppy mills to that paragraph overview so it gives me more negatives to say about that part of the speech.

Now i just have a shit ton of research to do

also gotta figure out how to make the rescue portion of the speech organized and overall makes alot of sense ha

 

[gengar.]

Youre a dad right? Did you pay for your kids? If you pay for superior traits in a dog why dont you pay for superior traits in a child? That is unless your kids are going to be built like Lebron James and as smart as Einstein. Unless tat is the future for your kids then thry are no different than the rescue dog...free and probably not to most superb anatomical specimen but you figured "meh, screw it, its close enough and will still make me happy"

you are so dumb

 

[Mr.Huck]

Youre a dad right? Did you pay for your kids? If you pay for superior traits in a dog why dont you pay for superior traits in a child? That is unless your kids are going to be built like Lebron James and as smart as Einstein. Unless tat is the future for your kids then thry are no different than the rescue dog...free and probably not to most superb anatomical specimen but you figured "meh, screw it, its close enough and will still make me happy"

Hahahaha. Barto, you have no fucking idea. Yeah, as a parent you spend tons of money on your kids. Unless you are incredibly lucky, a trust funder, or both, parents live in a constant state of borderline poverty. This is not so we can raise "superb anatomical specimens"; but rather in the hopes that our kids can compete in the modern world and don't bring weapons to school and kill their classmates because they were bullied. Yeah, it may not work and you never know how things are going to turn out, but parents who give a shit, work their asses off for their kids.

In retrospect, my parents would probably have spent $1300 on a dog rather than have to spend about the same for the emergency room visit to have my sister's face sewn up. If you adopt a puppy, you are probably OK, except that you may end up having no idea what kind of healthy problems the dog has. I'm pretty sure most people are just trying to make sure that they bring a dog into their lives that is going to be around for awhile and isn't psychotic.

 

[iH8pow]

both my roommates paid $500 for their bred dogs. One is a month+ behind on rent because of it...

and it breaks my heart because I don't know why you wouldn't rescue an animal and willingly pay hundreds of dollars for one from a breeder? People are fucked

 

[gengar.]

both my roommates paid $500 for their bred dogs. One is a month+ behind on rent because of it...

and it breaks my heart because I don't know why you wouldn't rescue an animal and willingly pay hundreds of dollars for one from a breeder? People are fucked

how in the world is paying for a dog period at all fucked?

Did you know that at some shelters you're going to pay almost just as much as that 500$ for a rescue dog?

A dog is a dog, and no matter how you acquire the dog, you are bringing it in to a loving home.

Think of what would happen if no one bought from breeders, they would all most likely be put to sleep. You're taking on the responsibility of having a living animal in your home for years to come, so i don't see what the issue is if someone wants to take extra measures in making sure they get kind of dog they need based on their family or situation

 

[dmski]

Picking out a dog and getting to find the one that likes you and chooses you is an awesome part of buying a dog from a breeder. Plus training them ends up being much easier, and is a direct reflection of how much effort you put in.

 

[louie.mirags]

both my roommates paid $500 for their bred dogs. One is a month+ behind on rent because of it...

and it breaks my heart because I don't know why you wouldn't rescue an animal and willingly pay hundreds of dollars for one from a breeder? People are fucked

That is fucked because it is not responsible. Not fucked because they paid a few Hundos on a dog.

 

[270on420out]

When you rescue a dog, you take on unique problems, some big some small

you don't know how old your dog is.

you don't know the dogs medical history

you don't know if the dog was abused by it's previous owner.

i had a dog named butch, we rescued him.

he was kinda nippy and jumpy, good dog in most ways.

But he peed everywhere. Turned out he had bladder cancer, we, nor the shelter didn't know.

if you want to take a risk, rescue, or you could get a puppy milled one

This is the most heartfelt reply you have ever posted.

 

[flacotaco]

Rescue is by far the way to go. IF the dog was not harmed or is to young to remember it. I just got a Brittany Spaniel from a shelter in southern New Jersey. Other than a little over attachment at first and having no regard for the nuclear power electric fence he is a great dog.

 

[El_Barto.]

you are so dumb

Enlighten me as to how im wrong. Free dogs are just as good as expensive dogs. You disagree and think that somehow since a dog cost a lot its a better dog?

 

[milk_man]

A dog that came from an animal shelter bit me in the face today. So I would say buy a dog. Then they are less likely to be stupid and attack you because of their rough past

 

[rememberscott]

Enlighten me as to how im wrong. Free dogs are just as good as expensive dogs. You disagree and think that somehow since a dog cost a lot its a better dog?

This is like saying free skis are just as good as brand new skis that you pay for. They just aren't equatable.

For all of you "dog rescuers" out there just remember that you can't save them all. It all starts from the breeders. It's a much bigger problem than one would think, and "rescuing your dog" isn't really solving the issue at all. Pay for the dog you like or rescue one you feel like you have a connection with... in the end it doesn't really matter.

 

[rememberscott]

This is like saying free skis

Or paying for used skis

 

[gengar.]

Enlighten me as to how im wrong. Free dogs are just as good as expensive dogs. You disagree and think that somehow since a dog cost a lot its a better dog?

where did you get that I'm saying bred dogs are better? I'm just saying that they fit different people with different situations.

also, im not sure where you've been going, but no dog is a "free" dog. If you adopt you're still going to pay up to $500 in adoption fees depending on the rescue.

 

[El_Barto.]

This is like saying free skis are just as good as brand new skis that you pay for. They just aren't equatable.

For all of you "dog rescuers" out there just remember that you can't save them all. It all starts from the breeders. It's a much bigger problem than one would think, and "rescuing your dog" isn't really solving the issue at all. Pay for the dog you like or rescue one you feel like you have a connection with... in the end it doesn't really matter.

Word...so dogs that cost a lot of money are better

 

[Chubbs.]

where did you get that I'm saying bred dogs are better? I'm just saying that they fit different people with different situations.

also, im not sure where you've been going, but no dog is a "free" dog. If you adopt you're still going to pay up to $500 in adoption fees depending on the rescue.

When you go and pay $500 for a dog from a breeder or from a store you're supporting that breeder or puppy mill and all that money is going to the owner of the dog. As you continually purchase dogs from these places they keep breeding, which leads to more dogs which leads to more strays.

When you pay for a Rescue dog you pay for the shots and care it received while it was being sheltered, you pay for the food the shelter supplies for not only your dog but other dogs. That $500 is not going to the owner of the shelter its going towards other dogs.

Think about where that $500 is going and tell me which is spent better

so the dog breeder's wife can have a lease payment on her Mercedes?

Or so the rescue shelter can pay for gas to go rescue another 10 dogs out of a kill shelter in Nashville that kills 95 out of every 100 dogs that come through there.

 

[rememberscott]

Word...so dogs that cost a lot of money are better

Yes this is a well known fact

 

[Laurent.]

Whether rescued or bought, remember to have it sprayed or neutered.

I'm going to buy you and let you be castrated.

 

[louie.mirags]

This is like saying free skis are just as good as brand new skis that you pay for. They just aren't equatable.

Yes they are. What would make a bred dog different? When people equate rescue dogs being wild and blame it on that I just laugh. It is because they have no responsibility for themselves, much less a dog. Any dog is trainable. And when people talk about a bad situation when they rescue a dog and it gets sick - the same can happen to any dog you buy.

People who act like pure breed dogs are better are just snobs.

They think it is cooler to spend 3 grand on a bulldog and insist on telling you how much it cost.

 

[cornholio]

Whether rescued or bought, remember to have it sprayed or neutered.

not a day goes by where you don't lecture people about the spaying and neutering. give it a rest bob

 

[louie.mirags]

I'm going to buy you and let you be castrated.

I don't know if you're bring sarcastic or not.. but getting a dog spayed or neutered is not that same thing.

 

[SFBv420.0]

good luck on your speech OP

Strong work persuading me that i would never sell give or want to be your dog.

the one in front was a wedding gift and the best gift

We rescued his brother in back from euthanasia because he wasn't socialized

well and had bit a few people.

the latest came w/ a bunch of health problems

including a $5k road trip for one of these

the breeder refunded our $$$ but it's just $$$$

These dogs are/were therapy dogs and have brought thousands of smiles from those less fortunate while promoting the healing bond between animals and humans

no one ever really asks or gives two shits where they came from or how i acquired them.

The whole thought that you or anyone else needs to tell me what furkid i should

buy or rescue or how your wishes should influence my decisions is whack.

 

[Chubbs.]

good luck on your speech OP

Strong work persuading me that i would never sell give or want to be your dog.

wait wat?

 

[Chubbs.]

good luck on your speech OP

Strong work persuading me that i would never sell give or want to be your dog.

wait wat

 

[CaptainObvious.]

Psh......didn't even get a thank you.

 

[Black-Bandanna]

Youre a dad right? Did you pay for your kids? If you pay for superior traits in a dog why dont you pay for superior traits in a child? That is unless your kids are going to be built like Lebron James and as smart as Einstein. Unless tat is the future for your kids then thry are no different than the rescue dog...free and probably not to most superb anatomical specimen but you figured "meh, screw it, its close enough and will still make me happy"

What a little gem of a post.

So far as the op goes, I agree with what some other people have mentioned in here...totally depends on the context of your situation. With that said, it's heart warming to see older dogs that have been given up on get rescued. Much respect for the people who take that on.

 

[Chubbs.]

Psh......didn't even get a thank you.

I didn't forget about you homie. Thanks alot for all your help i definetly wouldnt of figured out all that crap with the differences between the speech types. Ill tell you my grade when i get it back.

All the bitches loved it when the speeches changed from why you shouldn't support fracking and why buying water bottles is bad to why you should rescue cute ass dogs.

You dah man.

 

[Laurent.]

When you go and pay $500 for a dog from a breeder or from a store you're supporting that breeder or puppy mill and all that money is going to the owner of the dog. As you continually purchase dogs from these places they keep breeding, which leads to more dogs which leads to more strays.

When you pay for a Rescue dog you pay for the shots and care it received while it was being sheltered, you pay for the food the shelter supplies for not only your dog but other dogs. That $500 is not going to the owner of the shelter its going towards other dogs.

Think about where that $500 is going and tell me which is spent better

so the dog breeder's wife can have a lease payment on her Mercedes?

Or so the rescue shelter can pay for gas to go rescue another 10 dogs out of a kill shelter in Nashville that kills 95 out of every 100 dogs that come through there.

This is full of false reasoning btw.

 

[SFBv420.0]

i'm curious as to how many dogs the op has bought or rescued?

for every puppy mill there are 10 damn good breeders whose lives revolve around the dogs they love.

Once you start gettin into top of the line breeders you will find you need to prove yourself worthy of the privilege of purchasing their dogs and life's work.

if you don't plan on showing and championing their dogs you will probably need to sign a spay/nueter clause.

I'm not anti shelter or rescue the best friends one here kicks ass and ive done voli work for them.

frankly i care more about how you treat your furkid more than how ya got em

and your arguement sounds like.

your parents should have adopted and gotten a skin kid who is smart enough to do his school work on his own

 

[Chubbs.]

i'm curious as to how many dogs the op has bought or rescued?

for every puppy mill there are 10 damn good breeders whose lives revolve around the dogs they love.

Once you start gettin into top of the line breeders you will find you need to prove yourself worthy of the privilege of purchasing their dogs and life's work.

if you don't plan on showing and championing their dogs you will probably need to sign a spay/nueter clause.

I'm not anti shelter or rescue the best friends one here kicks ass and ive done voli work for them.

frankly i care more about how you treat your furkid more than how ya got em

and your arguement sounds like.

your parents should have adopted and gotten a skin kid who is smart enough to do his school work on his own

I have nothing against purchased dogs and yeah they are just as good as rescue dogs. Definetly not trying to put down anyone who bought a dog it's their choice lol a dog is a dog just love it. And maybe you should mind your own fuckin business about my school work before you start bringing my parents in to this you squid.

 

[nutz.]

I got my dog at the shelter when he was 2 years old and he's cute as fuck. We wrestle all the time, no problems here.