Religion

Apple, i hate to say, but that post made my respect for you come down a couple of notches..

As for me not feeling that a god exists, there are many examples in my life, my parents divorcing, thousands of unanswered prayers, my grandmother dying, my godmother dying, my mom's twin sister dying...

i jsut dont feel like if there is someone up then why would he do such things... maybe im going overboard with my gmom and and godmother, but come on, my my mom's twin was 43!! i dunno, i just dont think there is someone out there. im sorry if you think im thick headed...

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yea, i let my friends watch sometimes when they get bored. ive rented out some bleachers for them to sit in actually, im thinking of making big foam hands with 'no jaime! not in there!' written on them.

i swear to drunk im not god.

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Amen MADr.

The golden rule is 'love others as you love yourself', not 'thou shalt go to church on Sunday' or 'thou shalt sacrifice a virgin every 3rd Tuesday'

Okay, I was kidding on that last one, but you get the idea. The people Jesus spoke against the most were the 'churchy' people, the religious leaders, the ones who thought they had it all together, and lived by rituals rather than love and respect. They were all talk and no walk.

'The true measure of a man is how he treats another who can do absolutely nothing for him.'
-Samuel Johnson

'I refuse to tip-toe through life just to arrive safely at the door of death'- Unknown
 
fuck. i just typed a shitload and the fucking page refreshed

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basically, religion is a joke to me now. i dont respect people any less for being religious, but i just choose not to believe in such a thing. and why should i? nothing's ever been proven. i believe something when i see it. and also, what makes any of your religion any more correct than something else out there? how is catholosism more correct than judiasm? how is hinduism more correct than muslim? exactly, there's no way to tell. i think people are religious cause they want an answer to questions they have and it's an easy and widely accepted thing to turn to religion to seek out those answers. that's their choice, so more power to them.

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here's a challenge for everyone...

give me some examples of god's existance beyond a shadow of a doubt.

also, since that's kinda a toughy, why do you believe in god? is it because it is what you've been taught since you were little or is it something you came to yourself?

ok, let's hear it

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'give me some examples of god's existance beyond a shadow of a doubt.'

brutal.

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alright, i'd like to add something. I wasnt thinking with my wording very well. religion overall is usually a good thing b/c it teaches good morals and stuff to live by, i just have a problem with the whole faith thing. and that's what makes religion what it is. FAITH! i just cant put that kinda faith into something that is in my mind, nothing more than a theory.

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all religion is now days is just one big game of telephone

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yea, i let my friends watch sometimes when they get bored. ive rented out some bleachers for them to sit in actually, im thinking of making big foam hands with 'no jaime! not in there!' written on them.

i swear to drunk im not god.

1st member to call NS Radio contest, and first to fail miserably.

 
faith is believing in a God that cannot be seen, heard or otherwise proven.

those with faith know that there is a God and do not worry about proof.

sorry its so vague but its not a concrete subject.

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give me some examples of god's existance beyond a shadow of a doubt.

i would turn that statement around, and say prove to me God not existing beyond a shadow of a doubt, but thats a logical fallacy.

as everyone said, its a faith thing: you cannot be 'proven' completely and absolutely the existence of God, as it is impossible to 'prove' completely and absolutely that He doesn't exist.

Its a gut feeling, and faith comes in when there is no proof for something, yet you are convinced that it is true. Hebrews says that faith is the justification for that which is not seen.

as for my belief, i grew up in a christian family, in a missionary environnement. so i have been brought up with christian morals and beliefs around. but i refuse to accept the stereotype that im brainwashed by my parents. my faith is my own, and my relation with God is personal.

i personaly have a critical mind i think, i want to know how and why stuff works all the way to the end, and i hate false logic and wrong conclusions, it just bugs me in any discussion.

and i have looked around, examined the world, and i refuse to believe that im a cosmic accident, and that i have no meaning. this doesn't make me weak minded, or a 'pussy' or whatever i've been called before by Steeze Patrol.

I belive the Bible teachings are fact, that God created the Earth in 6 days, the Jesus is the Son of God, and that he came, died for the salvation of the world and rose again on the 3rd day.

this makes me christian.

my beliefs are my own, and while there is doubt about my being a christian if i hadn't grown up in the family i did, God had that in His plan for me. I do not believe in misled, illogical and fallacious scientific 'discoveries' such as evolution by natural selection (macro) and the Big Bang. I have read countless articles by christians and non christians alike about how wrong these theories are, and thrpough many discussion, i have found flaw and error in them. This reenforces my beliefs, pisses people off, and shines light on lies.

you believe what you want. i don't need to tell you that. So do i.

But one thing you should do is believe things on a basis of truth, and not of what you want to believe, though you are entitled to that too. as the saying goes: you can lead a horse to water but you can't him drink.

in the end, there is one water, one truth, and you and i are either right or wrong respectively.

i for one believe that there is irrefutable proof for Gods existence: His Creation.

take any national geographic: they want to believe that the world was created out of sheer luck, and that a blind process created what we see today. but they cannot help but be amazed at how incredibly complex the world is. look at the newest issue on the brain. the most complex piece in the universe. they want you to think that your mind, the basis of your cognisant self, came out of a struggle for survival that had no predetermined route and effectively cannot predict anything. the fact that you know you are alive and will die is accident. the wings of a butterfly are accident. oxygen in the atmosphere for us to breathe is luck. your self, ypour body and mind, is meaningless.

i refuse. sorry, i can't believe that. you are an incredibly complex creature: you are reading symbols, interpreting them, liking them or not and responding to them in various ways. you know that you exist, your body is digesting your last meal to give you nutrients to function through amazing amounts of operetaions.

all accidents.

don't think so

that you don't believe in God is a choice He has given us. i respect that.

i believe in a God that gave me a chance at life.

hope this wasn't blabbering BS, ot if it made any sense. message me if you want.

peace.

-Patty
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didn't turn off italics in the beggining, i effectively killed my believeability.

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^you made some good points for yourself. you said...

'I belive the Bible teachings are fact, that God created the Earth in 6 days, the Jesus is the Son of God, and that he came, died for the salvation of the world and rose again on the 3rd day.

this makes me christian. '

I just want to know what makes you believe that you are correct and jewish people are wrong. how do you know that any of these 'stories' you've been told all your life are true.

everyone makes good points but i just can't put that much faith into ficticious stories.

but seriously, why is your religion the correct one. b/c it's the one your parents taught you. prolly b/c it was either how they were raised or b/c it was the closest church to your house. saying that you would've come to this on your own is just ignorant in my opinion, but to each his own i guess

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thank you for leaving your opinion on what i said completely ambiguous...

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and ignorant? thank you... i must say that i tried to make it clear i made my own conclusions, these beliefs aren't my parents'...

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As I'm sure you are aware of TanDan, Judaism and Christianity are quite similar, the main difference being that Christianity recognizes Jesus as the Messiah, whereas Judaism only sees him as a prophet. Now, Jesus' existence has been recorded in many other sources other than the Bible, I don't think anyone can disagree that Jesus did walk the earth. Scholars agree that the 4 books of the Gospel (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), which are based off of eyewitness testimonies of the life of Jesus, were said to have been written at around 70 A.D., about 35-40 years after Jesus' death. Historically speaking, this is an extremely short period of time. The two earliest biographies of Alexander the Great were written more than 400 years after his death, yet they are considered to be trustworthy by historians. Now of course the difficult part to understand is the part where Jesus claims to be God. But for me, that's the part I like. God is not just some being way far away. God came to this earth, in the form of a man. Hebrews 4:15 says, 'For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet was without sin.'

No other religion is like this in that way. That is how I believe Christianity differs from Judaism. As I said before, the historical evidence of Jesus' existence is reliable. Jesus made claims to be God, which would either make Him a lunatic, a liar, or, what He claims to be. I think everyone can agree with the fact that Jesus was the greatest moral teacher to ever live. I believe because of that, it adds to his evidence of being God.

'The true measure of a man is how he treats another who can do absolutely nothing for him.'
-Samuel Johnson

'I refuse to tip-toe through life just to arrive safely at the door of death'- Unknown
 
prove to me God DOESNT exisit,

what do you have to lose by believing?

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I can barely see the bourbon drowning next to me
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Red with smiling eyes
It's funny I don't have no money tonight.

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^Atlanta, I believe you have to give up quite a bit. You have to stop living for yourself, and give your life to God. I think the idea of living for God turns a lot of people off, but what I don't think most people understand is that living for God is living a life of love and service towards others, something that many non-religious people would see as admirable. So to answer your question Atlanta, I believe you do have to give up a lot if you are a true follower of Christ, but you gain much more.

'The true measure of a man is how he treats another who can do absolutely nothing for him.'
-Samuel Johnson

'I refuse to tip-toe through life just to arrive safely at the door of death'- Unknown
 
i live in a huge mormon state, but im really christian. whenever people ask where i live and i say utah, they think im mormon or something

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tweaks, im sorry. The second post i made was short sighted, uncalled-for and very biased on my part. You do not deserve the ill feelings which i potrayed to you in that post, and i am sorry that you took part of the fallout for other events in my life. It was a dick move and i appologize again. My first post however was an ernest and honest question which i meant no offence by, and i belive you didnt take any offence because of your reply. Again, i apoligize.

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evolution is real, grand canyon wasnt caused by noah's great flood. im not religious. dont wanna be either.

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Wow, daniel and jiboregon, after those brilliant and thought provoking posts which were so elegantly backed up with logical arguments, I just don't know what to believe anymore.

'The true measure of a man is how he treats another who can do absolutely nothing for him.'
-Samuel Johnson

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this thread is POINTLESS. No one is going to convince anyone else of anything. Although I'm reading and trying to make sense of what other people say, I'm as stubborn as anyone else. We're not going to change, live with it. It's sad and it's true

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I didn't read eveyrhting because I don't have 5 hours to spend, but my beliefs are as followed:

Religion has its ups and down. It is a provided or morals and values. It also provides a kind of law to follow and states what is right and wrong. It is here I disagree with certain religions. Many religions need their followers to follow every aspect of the religion to be a true believer. I believe in religion for oneself and not for anyone else. If you must see a priest to confess, I think that is wrong, its bewteen you and God. I'm also not sayign I believe in God, but I respect people who do. Religion has done many wonderful thigns for this world and has helped in shaping the positive parts of modern society. It has also been the instigator of much death. Most wars in history were fought over religion and relious difference. Many masacres were also becuase of religion. More people were killed in france and germany by the catholic church in a 5 year span then in world war one and two combined

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are you actually trying to say that 1) evolution isnt real, and 2) the grand canyon was caused by noah's flood????? Do you really want me to put down evidence for those two statements?

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Evolution is a THEORY, just like religion is a theory. Go ahead and give me evidence. Evolution, nor Christianity, has been proven. As for the Grand Canyon, I am familiar with the fact that the Colorado River played a large part in the formation of the canyon. However, there is a great deal of geologic and archaeological evidence of a worldwide flood. This certainly does not rule out the possibility that this flood could have played some type of role in the erosion of the canyon. Plus, since when does the existence of God being proven have to deal with whether or not the flood carved out the Grand Canyon?

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dude many religious fundamentalists have said that the grand canyon was formed by 'noah's great flood' or something along those lines, biblical mumbo jumbo

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'The devil only exists because of your belief in him. Same goes for that other guy'- Sage Francis
 
evolution has been proven...

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jiboregon, I would ask you to do me a favor and actually read my posts before commenting on them, just as I am doing to yours. There is in fact, evidence of a worldwide flood. There is also evidence of the Colorado River acting as an erosional force of the Canyon. Rivers are a well known erosional force, I am not discounting that. However, like I said, this does not rule out the fact that a worldwide flood could've also played a part in the formation of the canyon. Don't you think it's possible, that if there was a God, He could allow both to happen? jiboregon, I hate to say it, but you are not coming up with any new shocking material here. Science has not disproved the Bible, and vice-versa. In fact, the Bible has contributed to many discoveries of modern science.

Skibum_, I would love to see this evidence of Evolution being proven to falsify the Bible.

'The true measure of a man is how he treats another who can do absolutely nothing for him.'
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in my first post i was talking about the biblical flood, the one that is talked about in the bible. The flood that religious fundamentalists say was the power behind the creation of the grand canyon. you're talking about a geological event that could have happened, im talking about a biblical event that was just a story. If the flood that you're speaking of is noah's flood as described in the bible, then ill debate you on whether its fact or fiction.

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'The devil only exists because of your belief in him. Same goes for that other guy'- Sage Francis
 
yes, whoever said evolution is only a theory...I hate to break it to you but it has been proven.

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Evolution has not been proven, since you cannot prove without a shread of doubt anything, really you can only disprove specific events. Like language there 'could' always be exceptions however improbable.

- This is a paraphrase of my Organismal biology professor Scott Findley.

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Since science can only prove things wrong and not right, what evidence is there to disprove religion?

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^My thoughts exactly Jessbuff...and jiboregon, I'm referring to the same flood that's in the Bible. This worldwide flood that was mentioned is mentioned in sources other than the Bible.

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are you saying Jessbuff that if you drop a ball on earth it will not always fall if unimpeded? Gravity exists, it is proven. Blue is relfected when an object obsorbs every other colour of the spectrum. Fire needs oxygen, energy, and a fuel to burn. These are all scientifically proven. Evolution has been proven by scientists using fruit flies. You cannot dispute these facts.

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^ Hmmm, you raise a good point about things being proven. I was just saying what he said. But about the gravity. (Are you in physics?) There is some theory in quantum physics in which gravity doesn't exist, it is just a by product of our brain. Quantum physics is messed though, apparently there are alternate universes which are acted out as the alternative to any action we take.

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Justin, as far as Mrs. Green had tought us, there hadnt actually been tracked genetic mutations in fruit flies. They had been able to trace the transfer of genes from generation to generation through certian physical charastics, but the have yet to have a fruit fly colony adapt to its enviroment through natural selection to create a new species of fruitfly. Id love to see the studies where evolution is proven though, dont get me wrong, im just pretty sure it hasnt happened.

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read Dentons evolution, a theory in crisis.

what has been proven? that a species of animal can, through adaptation, change certain caracteristics of their genes to the point that they cannot reproduce and produce fertile offspring with the original species. that is called MICRO evolution, or adaptation. THAT is proven.

what isn't? MACRO evolution, the amoeba to fish to amphibian to reptile to birds or mammals etc... this hasn't been proven, but has been disproven. i don't feel like getting into any detail about why, because as steeze patrol said, we all here are stubborn. so whatever.

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Macro evolution has been disproven? please do get into it... im quite intrested in this topic. I suppose if you dont want to get into it, perhaps some suggested internet readings on the topic?

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Dentons evolution, a theory in crisis, thats the best i have, i read a looong time ago, but one of the basic things is that you cannot change a minute thing to say, the digestive tract of an animal, towards one thats no longer adapted to eating the previous food, because the enimal still has to feed somehow. but if you chnage a thing, then the animal can no longer eat and process the food it used to eat, and cannot yet feed on another food group (which btw since evolution is a blind process, the animal does't know what this is yet).

also, no matter how long it takes, at some point the animal will be half through: like a reptile with half legs, half wings, half hollow bones, half solid, half the digestive system of a bird (one hole for reproduction and excretion as that is an aves caracteristic) etc. basically a very gimpy animal, that cannot feed properly, let lone reproduce and pass on the right genes. and unless the predators are DEvolving to be less efficient at getting these animals, then they would have been picked off a long time ago.

just a sample. but no one cares.

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The half through animal is the dinosaur that is on its way to becomign a bird. There have been an estimated 200 billion different species alive on this earth at one point or another. We have found only 1200 completed fossil skeletons ever. The fact that we have found the right skeletons and been able to make comparisons and analysis to ascertain that evolution takes palce in order is amazing. Evolution MUST take place. You're saying adaptation and evolution are different things, they aern't. Things adapt and through many adaptations, over TENS OF MILLIONS of years they become a new species. Humans havn't been around for close to that long. And the fruit fly thing is an example of macroevolution. The sped up the reproductive and aging process of these fruit flies so that they reprouduce quicker and die quicker. As a result, they were able to make many many more generations of fruit flies, allowing for great adaptation. They observed evolution through natural selection. Fruit flies placed in dim light and allowd to populate eventually had larger eyes and eyes more suitable to dim light than fruit flies that were not. That is one aspect of the experement that I remmember.

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where do I stand on Relgion? After reading all the posts, I'm going to interupt the evolution talk to give my perspective. I am a follower of Christ. but I have a hard time with many aspects of the culturalized church of America. I believe that Christianity isn't about what you should or shouldn't do but about love. God loves all of his creation and wants the best for all of it. He does not want harm to come, but harm is a biproduct of creation screwing up. What Christianity is about is choosing to love God first and also love others, nothing else. I don't think that's a bad way to live. whether your a Christian or not. No rules to live by other than to love. Their is freedom in Christ but sadly many religions that try to show this, create rules. Live according to love, that's what I try to do.

 
but you missunderstand. nobody gives a rip if it took 10 million years. what you are saying is a false conclusion. the half dinosaur/bird arrcheopteryx or however it is spelled, is a different species alltogether. see, its like saying that since a frog looks like a lizard, and since the frog lives in the water, then the frog is the missing link between fish and reptiles. but we know they are different animals alltogether, namely through genetics. you can't draw conclusions from the way things look, that has been proven, of how a species is related, you need genetic taxonomy (with genetics finding links).

see, if you draw a half circle, and evolutionist will say that through simple deduction from what i observe, this must have been a full circle, while a creationist will say it has always been a half circle, it was created that way.

evolutionist have a knack for drawing the wrong conclusions. the fact that we all have 5 fingers and most animals do, must lead to a common ancestor. not true, 5 fingers has been proven to provide the best support for wings and fins and such, Da Vinci made gliders with 5 'fingers' so it is likely that God knew this (read: duh, he Created it that way because it is the best design and intelligent).

whatever dude, i can keep going.

read the book, draw your own conclusions.

-Patty
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^^ ''live according to love'' i agree with that completely.

i did not grow up with a Christian background; both my parents are agnostic. but in the past few years, i have found that i am becoming more and more interested in religion. i do have faith, and believe that God exists, and this all comes from me, not family, not friends, but my own faith. i just try to lead a good life, treat others the way i want to be treated, and respect everyone's decision on religion (and expect to be respected for my decision as well.)

as for evolution/creation, i find that i have to lean towards science. i'm a biology major, and i find science so logical. evolution makes sense to me, but then again, i have a lot to learn in the future, so who knows...

 
almostaskiier, you forgot to take into consideration the fruit fly experiment. Are you saying evolution worked in that experiment but would not work with otehr animals. And of course and animal is a different species while it is evolving, that is what evolution is, the changing of one species t oanother to another in order to adapt to the environment. Evolution cannot be disputed, you can try to ind holes in the theory, but science has rpoven it. Go talk to a PHD biology professor and ask them if evolution exists. They will tell you yes. Try arguing with them, you will lose. I do not know much, but from what I have learnt in university and through my readings, I have learnt that evolution exists. Try picking up a book that lays down the facts abotu evolution and draws no conclusions, if you go in with an open mind, you will find that evolution exists and is the most likely way the aniamls on this earth have came to be the way they are. Creationists have an argument that god created life. It has never been proven that life is able to just form, we have not been able to create life artificially. But evolution occured after that life was created.

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'And of course and animal is a different species while it is evolving, that is what evolution is, the changing of one species t oanother to another in order to adapt to the environment'. wrong. because then any animal that looks like one could be mistaken for an intermediate species when they were 2 seperate from the beguinning.

'Evolution cannot be disputed, you can try to ind holes in the theory, but science has rpoven it.' obviously not true since i am disputing it and not all intelligent and critical people believe it (CS Lewis percahnce?)

'Go talk to a PHD biology professor and ask them if evolution exists. They will tell you yes. Try arguing with them, you will lose. I do not know much, but from what I have learnt in university and through my readings, I have learnt that evolution exists.' thenk you fro giving me a fair fight. im 15, in high school. vs a PHD in biology? i would be blinded and confused by complicated BS i don't understand. you are at college level? you likely have had arguments like this before. have you 'won'? there are obvious hole in the theory. since you like reading, read what i have said: Dentos evolution a theory in crisis. then tell me if you still think you are so right. might i add he doesn't believe in God?

'Try picking up a book that lays down the facts abotu evolution and draws no conclusions' doesn't exist. sorry. and the facts? evolution is a blind process that plans nothing, and comes from natural selection. so the fruitfly thing is out, since the scientists acted upon them.

'It has never been proven that life is able to just form, we have not been able to create life artificially. But evolution occured after that life was created.' good thing then uh, that something unplanned happended to all single celled animals and contributed to the diversity we have. have you spent time looking at the diversity around you? evolution doesn't account for it. There should be an uber species of plant adapted to the enivronnemnts in a temprate zone, a uber bird, mouse, etc... thats what should be here. and yea, then how do account for life being here, which it obviously is?

carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and the like, all chemicals, out of which all things exist. the fact that we cannot make life out of these things proves something to me.

and no, im sorry. evolution has not been proven more that micro, never macro. did the fly become another animal alltogether? didn't think so. o right it takes 10 million years. right, gotcha.

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life has been around for 4.3 billion years. if you made a ratio to the amount of time in a day, humans would be alive in the last 20 seconds of that time. That means we have been here for 1/86400 the amount of time life has been in existence. Do you have any concept of how long one million eyars is? If you live to eighty, that is 12500 lifetimes. Yo ucannot look at evolution as something that takes palce quickly at all, or even close. Ok, you say evolution doesn't exist, then how did humans come to be? We didn't just appear. We weren't around even 1 million years ago, but here we are. And about the moster animals, there were insanely huge animals, alligators used to be 5 tiems the size they are now, rinos were once 2 stories tall, and there was a killer bird in north america that was 12 feet tall. These animals have evolved. I also give you props for being 15 and beign strong in your values and beliefs, but try to keep an open mind. I have, and that is why for things like the origin of life, I am not certain of what I believe, but when it comes to evolution, it is the only thing that makes sense.

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