Religion and chastity

petek

petek

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God fucking damnit! Nowhere does it say in the bible that you must not have sex before you marry. It simply says that you shouldnt commit adultry. Adultry by definition is having sexual relations outside of marriage, yet if you are not married then adultry cannot take place.

Where did this go wrong? Saying that without marriage first, pre-marital sex is like you are cheating on your future husband is an interpretation of 'thou shall not commit adultery'.

I'm involved in a situation with a very good looking blonde chik, who is really religious.(but you should see this girls rack). I dunno whether i should go for her, or not. If i dont, i may hurt her feelings and if i finally do get her in bed then its all good. On the flip side, i pbly wont get her in bed, and i enjoy sex very much.

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If you really love each other and care about each other...I see no problems

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^dude he took the words out of my mouth...if it means something then theres nothing wrong.

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No it dose say you cant have sex befor marriage. Just becuse its not one of the 10 comandment dosent mean it dosent say it some where else. Bur for the recored i dont belif in that stuff, the bible and the storys are an alogrey so take it anyway you want.

 
well this is interesting. You're trying to hook up with a good Christian girl (who you obviously aren't yoked evenly with) and are trying to tell her what the bible says about pre-martial sex. We're designed to have sex (and it seems you've figured that one out, congrats on passing the 5th grade) but the catch is it's meant for only one person, your future spouse. Props to her for standing up for what she believes, and knows is true, in since it seems all you care about is sleeping with her. Sick dicks like you should be made into eunuchs.

 
Pete, you really set yourself up for ^that. As far as I'm concerned, it's nobody's business but the individual's... but if she doesn't want to, you're pretty much shit outta luck. If she's worth it, you'll accept that. If not, move on. That's life, that's amore (well, not really, but I use the term as a figure of speech).

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I guess this kind of stuff doesn't surprise me when you say it. I have a friend who's exactly the same way, except he's smarter. All that guy goes for in a girl is an easy lay. So he just goes for the girls that'll put out the first night, I say you do the same in order to save you the time... But if you actually feel something other than lust for this girl you're going to have to have a change of heart for anything to work out.

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uh, yeah the Bible says not to have premarital sex. check the word fornication:

I Corinthians 6:18 Flee FORNICATION. Every SIN that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

I Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

hehehe, you lose. oh, and leave her alone. she obviously has higher standards than you deserve petek

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^You've really got a holier-than-thou attitude going on at the moment. Just because she's Christian and he isn't doesn't somehow mean that he doesn't 'deserve' her or that she's better than he is. To be perfectly honest, I've yet to see anything from you that would lead me to think that you should make such judgments.

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I’ll be loving you

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Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

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any guy thats dating a girl cause shes got a 'good rack' isnt worth taht girl, just because he's lookin to screw her, its that simple.

if youre sister was dating a guy just so he could put it in her, you'd be pretty ticked that he was playin her emotions

if petek truely cares about her, he'll accept the fact she wont have sex, and be cool w/ it

but see what i got out of his post was he just wanted to screw her, i could be wrong, but thats the way his post came off

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“Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. note I could probably stop here… For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God that means her body. As God has said; “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God and they will be my people.� – 2 Corinthians 6:14-16

 
^In other words, dissasociate yourself from all of those who aren't of your faith? Seems just a tad extreme, to me... what exactly are you doing on this website? Or perhaps I'm overestimating what 'yoked together' is supposed to mean. If it means relationship-wise, then I'm struck by the almost Aryan character of the notion. With regard to religion, my personal policy is, believe what you will, let others do likewise, and try not to criticise them out of hand (without some persuasive reason), because it's very difficult to argue that your faith is any better, excepting that it is so for you.

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In a haze

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I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

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Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

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hows that aryan? that has to do wit the color of your skin eyes and hair.

eph 5:30-31 30 For we are members of his (Christ's) body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

he also didnt finish off the verse:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

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when you get married you are going out into the rest of your LIFE together, you are then yoked together. I'm not going out facing the rest of my life with my friends or people on this site. The bible and the teaching of scripture is spiritually discerned. If you aren't a christian you will only be able to make partial sense of it. Sorry but it's the truth.

Go ahead and call me brainwashed though, I love it when people do that just because they can’t comprehend something. Something is simple as seeing into a world we all live in but can’t see. Everyday you have the choice to acknowledge God in your life, or you can turn your back. You won’t be able to say you never had the chance to experience all He desires for you.

Good for her seeking after Christ.

 
Good for her, yes, for believing in whatever seems right to her. Good for you for doing likewise. But I'm forced to draw the line when it is implied that anyone calling themselves a Christian cannot associate with the allegedly inferior non-Christians. It's exceedingly restrictive, it assumes a distinction of quality where there is none, and, in essence, it's groundlessly elitist. I won't claim that my faith is necessarily better than anyone else's (unless it involves, say, sacrificing babies, whereby it should be subject to a moral inquiry). It makes no sense. Believing yourself to be better than someone for arbitrary reasons does not make you better; in fact, it amounts to little more than a character flaw.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
im waiting until im at least engaged to have sex, because of moral convictions and because i dont want something to go wrong,like a leak in a condomn and have my girlfriend be pregnant, and wouldnt want to have a child and wouldnt want to have an abortion either, so its just fore play for me. it really isnt that bad to wait.

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Why bring this up? You can't ever convince someone to change what they think about this. So it's useless.

And if you do convince her (if there actually is a girl) to fuck you, she's gonna regret it later and you're going to not only going to feel responsible for fucking up her life but you probably won't be anywhere near her anymore.

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Why bring this up? You can't ever convince someone to change what they think about this. So it's useless.

And if you do convince her to fuck you, she's gonna regret it later and you're going to not only going to feel responsible for fucking up her life but you probably won't be anywhere near her anymore.

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good job JD at loosing the point once again. As Christians we have a relationship with God and it is to be the focal point of our lives. Do you have any idea how hard and trying it would be to be married to someone who doesn't have that. They would constantly be seeking your attention when it is meant to be focused on God. You try to make it sound shallow but in the long run it is only an attempt at a justification for a lacking of a greater relationship with the Creator of everything.

 
In that case, it would be very unlikely that you would want to marry that person, wouldn't it? You know, if they were entirely unsuited to the way you live your life, to the point where it is no longer worth being with them? If the main focal point of your life is being obscured, then I can hardly fault you for not wanting to be joined for life with that which obscures it... the point is, simply, that THAT should be the reason not to marry them, not 'The unbeliever is base, inferior, and unworthy of association with members of our religion'. Although personally, I wouldn't marry anyone unless they were the focal point of my life... but that's another discussion entirely.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
yea I know, that’s what that passage says J.D., it's a very easy to understand warning that when examined reveals that truth.

 
if i were married to someone who showed more attention to an invisible man who lives in the sky than they do to me id be fuckin pissed. thats just my opinion.

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'' For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common?''

^That and similar lines within the quote, to me, strike of an arbitrary personal value judgment, denigrating those of non-Christian faith, and could be interpreted as the basis for the central claim that Christians should not associate with them. I'm glad you're not (if you aren't) interpreting it that way.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
chastity isn't always a religious thing. some people make decisions based on other aspects or principles in their lives, and you've got to respect that man. it's not always some god bullshit.

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^Funny you should bring that up, it applies to me. Not something that's usually considered, either.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
how does having sex with someone you care about before marriage cause you to become a bad person? It's all on an individual basis.

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Anyone who honestly believes that he/she is better than someone else cause they won't fuck until they're married is a hurting individual. Believe what you, do what you want, but having different convictions than someone else sure as shit doesn't make you better. Pete, if you know she won't put out, I say screw it. I wouldn't date a chick that was waiting till marriage. Just cause I like sex with women doesn't mean that I'm a pig or some other nonsense. For all of you who have experienced it yet, sex is pretty kick ass!

I spin more rhymes than a lazy susan...

and I'm in-no-cent till my guilt is pro-ven!

 
side note: there is clinical research that shows Christian women have a better 'Experience' during sex then their secular counterparts. Feeling greater stimulation, pleasure, and satisfaction.

From the University of Chicago, I believe it was in the early 1990's.

 
Aw... since when have Christians felt obligated to pay attention to parts of the Bible they don't agree with? (Have you ever eaten shellfish or worked on the sabbath?)

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I fid that hard to believe. Generally first sexual experiences are kinda awkward. Regardless, what are they comparing their sexual experience to if they were chaste until marriage? My point wwas that thankfully we're all free to behave in whatever manner we wish so long as we don't cause anybody harm.

I spin more rhymes than a lazy susan...

and I'm in-no-cent till my guilt is pro-ven!

 
Agingeri, here is the truth about Christianity verses Judaism. In the Jewish faith there is a stringent code that they should abide in for their salvation, in order to be worth of the gift of eternal life with God.

In Christianity there are very few rules we must follow. Mainly four:

1) God loves you unconditionally

2) You sin and fall short of God and what he desires for you

3) Jesus Christ died to take our sin upon himself and raised from the dead so that we can know God

4) We must personally accept what Jesus has done for us and enter into a personal relationship with Christ.

That’s it. There are rules things that we should do, and by doing them will strengthen our relationship with Christ (for example, waiting until marriage to have sex, avoiding slander, cheating, stealing, loose language…) but they aren’t some list of mandatory behaviors. Though what Christian wouldn’t want to be in a closer and more intimate relationship with the living God? I know I want to be.

Another aspect of the Old Testament was that many of the rules therein were established to set apart the Jews as God’s chosen people. There was logic behind most of it at the time, in their culture and I don’t know most of it. One example would be that it says girls can’t braided their hair, that was because the prostitutes of the time wore their hair that way and it was their distinguishing factor (much like now days skanky boots, short skirts, and skimpy tops are)

 
You guys are wasting your time. If there is one issue that you can't ever change anyone's mind about...it's this. So give it up. It's like trying to convince someone to change their skin color.

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like michael jackson?

or teddy blank?

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In my opinion if someone wishes to remain chaste until marriage more power to them. Give them respect. In todays age it is very hard to go against the grain especially with the whole sex thing.

On another note from talk above:

Jesus is the basis for christianity versus judaism correct so:

'teacher what is the greatest commandment in the law?' Jesus said to him 'you shall love the lord your god with all your heart all your soul and all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it you shall love your neighbor as yourself. On those two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.'

(matt 22:36-40)

alright so Jesus said to love your neighbor. Now doesnt that mean you shouldnt put down those different from yourself those that hold different beliefs. Mary magdelen was a whoreand jesus befriended her, saved her life. No christian is worthy to pass judgement. That is left to god alone (a paraphrase of another quote in the bible)

“Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven...� (Matthew 5: 44-45)

 
the first commandment you mention is a summary of all commandments- you shall love the lord your god with all your heart all your soul and all your mind. if you are to love the Lord like that it means the is nothing to be higher to you than God, nothing more important

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well being that you said about her 'big rack' that leads me to believe you dont 'love' her, you just want her body.

Colossians 3:5 - Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.

1 Corinthians 6:15-20 -Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, 'the two will become one flesh.' But he who united himself with the Lord is one with him in Spirit. Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you no know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own, you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

Since i just spent a while looking for those verses in my Bible, my guess is that if your girlfriend is a Christian, she is trying to abide by those rules and remain pure before God. You should respect her and her descisions.

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i nailed a chick on saterday night, well sunday morning. then at 815 her friend ran into the room say we are late for church. we need to go. haha i love catholic high school girls

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personally, J.D. May is my fucking hero and although I respect Prins's view on religion and all that, i find it sorta of unnerving how fanatical people can be. (not intended to Prins or anyone else, just in general) I find religion in general quite tedious actually because, personally, i cant abide giving myself up to wanton beliefs.

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Never fear my friend she can be swayed. My ex girlfriend was a very strong christian and has been all here life. After we dated about 3 or 4 months she started giving me hjs and she initiated it, I didn't think I had a chance at that for a lot longer. Them after like 7 or 8 months we started having sex. Had it all the time for like 2 years. So it can be done.

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it's interesting that because I take a stand and boldly proclaim what the bible says I am somehow labeled a fanatic. I could be a very strong post modern fanatic and say that anything for anybody works... but then I wouldn't be contributing to the point of this discussion now would I? Because I don't defend one side of the argument doesn't mean I don't understand it.

Could my understanding of the others opinion help me formulate my responses?

The fact of the matter is that she believes in something that you don't. If you were truly someone who was open to ideas you would continue to allow her to believe what she would like to and even encourage her in that. After all if anything is right shouldn't you encourage everyone in the anything they desire?

Just because you may not agree with Christianity, or know people who simply claim to be Christian who slept with you, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t respect what Jesus teaches.

 
I'm proud i waited for the 'right person' it's a story that's behond all belief too, but it had to happen...

anyways i used to have girls lie and say they slept with me in highschool to hide the fact i was a virgin, no one knew...

but in the end it's all about feeling comfortable with who your with...

infact, i'm a born again virgin! I mean, up until no one really counted so...

do what you feel is right... i wish you luck...as in get lucky

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I like the fact that i'm a 'sick dick' because i also stick up for what i believe in, the same that she does.

And no, i havent told her you ignoramus. And yes, i'm still going for her. Its simply put, frustrating that i finally found somebody that i would want to spend the rest of my life with, when i really want to live up university life to the fullest.

So i would like to thank people like Prins for so judgemental, and hypocritical at the same time. Not only was it judgement, its the fact that you did not even know the full story, which is IGNORANT.

I honestly dont remember reading the part in the bible where it says you cant have pre-marital sex. If you could quote it, then it would be nice. If somebody allready has, i apologize for not reading it, as i am trying to defend myself against a purely personal and unprovoked attack.

Diamonds... She'll pretty much have to
 
capurnicus, unlike some people on this site, there are a few open minds. Allthough i like what you are trying to do in neutrality to my position, unlike the rest of this website who seems to take this way to personally for something that is not happening to them. So bravo all you self-righteous people.

I think before i said she had a great rack and ass, i did say she was smart. And contrary to popular belief it seems, i have some intelligence as well, but because some people dont agree, i'm automatically inferior to all of you.

I also would like to apologize to these people who are totally fine. Cap, this means you to.

Diamonds... She'll pretty much have to
 
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