Religion, a debate.

Tim, I relaise this is kindof more of a logical than factual thing to say but I dont think it owuld be a respected hteory if it was inplausible.

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as for the sodom and gomorrah thing your wrong, chech this out

sg1a.jpg


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brimstone.jpg


the first pic is this strange 'mountain form' in the desert, the second one is the catual walls and buildings of the city which were burnt in brimstone(sulphur) and the 3rd is a sulfur ball like thousands of others found in the rocks. now if your familiar with this story, you might see how this is compelling evidence that this event was not a myth and actually took place.

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oh yeah, you can see all sorts of this stuff at www.anchorstone.com, these guys went on expeditions in the middle east to find evidence for many biblical events, its awesome.

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i never said it didnt necessarly happen, well maybe i did but i didnt mean to im just saying dont TAKE it literally all the time, just look at it as morals and lessons

-Ryan
 
umm mabye there was a barrage of this shit from outer space, or a meteor entered the atmosphere and broke apart because of the intensity of the heat created from falling from outter space. and it happenned to land on this city. survivors recorded it as a story and from a lack of knowing any better said it was god that did it. proving that wrong was as easy as taking a shit.

peace,paul

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-mitch hedburg
 
What? You didn't prove anything? Why don't you go take a shit or something.

Oh and by the way, even if it was a meteorite, how do you know that God didn't use a meteorite to destroy the cities? Seems pretty logical to me, would be quite a good idea in fact, if I was God that's probably what I'd do. Just like if I wanted to wreck America I'd get some rogue nation to nuke it, makes perfect sense really.

Also, how do you explain the massive salt mine where Lot's wife was turned into a pillar of salt for disobying God's instructions? Guess that was little green aliens from Neptune or something right?

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ok tim, i respect your opinion, but i really find it hard to accept all this logical talk of god. there is very strong evidence in favour of the evolution of us (the modern homo-sapiens sapiens) from primates, complete with evidence of the 'missing-links'. between 5-10mya, proto-hominids split from their primate counterparts and moved out of the jungles of central africa towards the more open terrain of east africa. evidence from fossils, as well as carbon 14 dating shows the different stages in the evolution from primate, to proto-hominids, then to homo-habilis, then homo-erectus, then homo-sapiens, and finally the modern homo-sapiens sapiens. the major differences in these species is that of brain capacity, as it ranges from 650-800cc in the homo-habilis, to our modern capacity of ~1450cc.

then there is the african eve, or mitochondrial eve theory, which was mentioned previously. for anybody that's interested in evolution or linguistics, i suggest looking into this theory. this websitehttp://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/mitoeve.html gives a somewhat concise explanation of it, but it doesn't leave room for interpretation, as it claims eve to be a mathematical fact, not a theory.. there's also more involved in the african eve theory than just simple evolution, there's also a whole aspect relating to eve's ability for off-line thinking. this will appeal to anybody interested in linguistics, but i haven't been able to find much information on this side of the issue, aside from the book 'the math gene'..

anyways, another good site talking about evolution + mitochondrial eve can be found here:http://www.str.com.br/English/Scientia/eve.htm

again, i'm not trying to disprove any creationists, i'm just giving some evidence supporting all of us evolutionists.

 
yeah your right i didnt prove shit, i am an ignorant slut. just a theory that has potential to prove it wrong.

peace,paul

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Snostay, you're stupid, fuck off. If God had sent a massive flock of seventeen and a half flying geese with lazers attached to their beaks and McDonalds cheeseburgers for eyes to shit all over the cities and destroy them and all these geese could talk and drive cars, you'd still try and say it was some freaky deaky meteorite or other. you have no basis, therefore you're making a stupid statement that means nothing, leave.

Sweetcoz, you know what's up and I respect your opinion but how can you call what little findings there are (and have consequently been proved wrong) a huge amoung of evidence for evolution? There really is none. There's theories, diagrams but every single one has a gap between each supposed species in the process. And that gap can't be explained, there is still absolutley no evidence to prove that any of those species have jumped to the other one. So what you have is a whole lot of species that are fairly similar to humans and similar to primates. There is no evidence or support what-so-ever that they turned into each other. And Carbon-14 dating doesn't work. Two studies have sent DNA away for carbon dating from lab rats, they were supposedly about 14,000 years old, turns out they were alive and well, still charing around their enclosures. Interesting.

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man, these threads are just wastes of time. I come here to hear some good arguments so that it would be easier for me to find a religion, but instead i hear this childish gay ass insults. Grow the fuck up, you arent proving anything by calling each other gay.

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yeah man sweetcoz carbon dating has some major flaws, i wrote them down in another thread, so if your interested you could try look em up...im not trying to be a jackass or anything, im just lazy

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(i know this is currently what we're talking about, but...) you know sooner or later humans will find out the truth. what do you think god(if a god) would do? would he strike innocent people down for figuring him out? would he prevent them from gettin smart enough to figure it out? if the whole point of faith is God not revealing himself, what happens when we somehow reveal the truth for him?

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Well Petek, 3 things:

1) If you wanted serious answers to serious questions then you sure as hell came to the wrong place.

2) If you're looking for religion and base it on what other people tell you rather than what you learn for yourself then you're bloody stupid.

3) You actually have to listen to what people say and respect their opinions rather than try and prove everything wrong.

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1) Yes you are right this is the wrong place

2) I'm looking for a religion, which is a serious issue. everything affects my decision, because i am trying to stay as open minded to everything

3) I do read everything, and usually all i want is an explanation, sometimes i get carried away, and sometimes i hear something i totally disagree with. Which is why, i stopped serious posting.

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phattim your the most closed minded person on this board, you should be the one leaving. yeah sure god could have done that but thats not my theory so no need to cry. and its not like i had knowledge of that event prior to the kid posting it up. i came up with that on the spot cuz i am an atheist myself and was jus trying to think of an alternate theory as to 'god' did it. why do u have such a problem with that? this thread is for exchanging ideas and educating eachother not bashing others opinions. and yeah i was a little harsh in stating my opinion and i was kinda bashing it and i apologize i gotta little outta hand there but i was jus tryin to get my point acoss, again no need to cry. nobody else seems to have a problem with me so if you do then just keep it to yourself please. and one more thing dont make an assumption on what i would think cuz you dont know the first thing about me. also stop bashing others opinions on their OWN beliefs, key word OWN buddy. you cant insult somebody on what they believe in, thats just illogical so just stop it.

peace,paul

'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'

-mitch hedburg

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-//d-lite//

 
phattim, you missed to touch on one point discussed earlier in this thread. If god has unconditional love for everyone no matter who you are, then why the hell did he kill a city full of sinners...hmmm. We've discussed this topic before and yes, it all just comes down to one thing; what you truly believe, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'

-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'

-//d-lite//

 
god is a homophobe, thats why.

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Snostay, I'm actually not closed minded, I'm actually one of the most open minded people you'll ever met, if you bothered to get to know me. All I'm doing is giving you evidence against your opinion, how's that being closed minded? I listened to your dumbass and then I proved you wrong. If you had any arguements worth listenting to or that had any basis to them then sure, I'd argue with you. But remember, fag, that being open minded actually doesn't mean agreeing with you. Your way is not neccessarily the right one, and in this case it's in fact the wrong one, so fuck off.

And Petek, I wish you the best of luck in discovering a religion.

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'Snostay, you're stupid, fuck off. If God had sent a massive flock of seventeen and a half flying geese with lazers attached to their beaks and McDonalds cheeseburgers for eyes to shit all over the cities and destroy them and all these geese could talk and drive cars, you'd still try and say it was some freaky deaky meteorite or other. you have no basis, therefore you're making a stupid statement that means nothing, leave.'

this isnt close minded? now if you were being open minded youd have respect for my opinion while stating your own. but you tottaly trashed mine and said it had no bases or solid evidence. no shit! i said i made it up on the spot, just some spontaneuo thinking. i get my ideas from myself not from what the bible tells me, but if thats you way of doing things then thats fine i respect that, just stop tryin to push your opinions to the top of the pile cuz it dont work that way. an opinion is something that will never have any facts to back it up, you cant prove an opinion. an opinion is an intangible figurative thing based on what you believe. you believ ein the bible, thats fine. i believe in making on decisions and thinking logically (im not sayin the bible isnt logical dont get the wrong idea) and thats fine too. just end this argument here please, back to religion.

peace,paul

'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'

-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'

-//d-lite//

 
you guys should read some OSHO.

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whats this OSHO you speak of skipimp

'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'

-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'

-//d-lite//

 
LOL Tim sorry man but you aren't proving anyone wrong. This is a religous debat no can know who is right or wrong

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yeah basically what i was tryin to say^ but im bad at gettin the point acoss short and sweet. thanx a lot man ;)

peace,paul

'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'

-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'

-//d-lite//

 
lol, no one wants to read something long so i figured i should just sum it all up

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yeah my second to last post was ridiculous lol

'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'

-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'

-//d-lite//

 
i didnt bother reading anything past the first page because it is now quarter to 12 but ill add a lil something on the infinity thing and what will happen to the univers or whatever. In the start there was the big bang, and ever since the univers has benn propelled outwards and is still going that way, but because of gravity and how everything attracts, day after day we will slowly slow down, stop and then start being pulled back into the center of the univers, and no matter how hard we try, and how hard we push we will only delay the inevitable until the entire univers is sucked back into one dense ball until it gets smaller, smaller, cant take the pressure anymore and then explodes, and voila, the second big bang... or maybe the 5th or the 6th? chances are its already happened a few times, and if that happens, will the exact same thing happen over an over an over throughout etirnity? maybe thats what 'god' if there is one was talking about when he said there was reincarnation? and that if you dont do things well now then you will relive them over and over again without knowing it. wouldnt this theory explain both the evolution theory and 'god' theory at the same time? just something to think about. damn its late, have a good one all. peace -dave

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its fine that u think this big squish/2nd big bang will happen...as well, i was taught that in schools, but you have to remember that they dont have even a shred of evidence for this theory of how the earth will end...in fact, there is barely and 'evidence' for the big bang as well. scientists discovered that the universe is expanding, so they gave that as evidence for the big bang, but the bible accounts for that as well. also, they say that since creationists believe the earth is young, and we find extremely old dates in radiometric dating, we must be right. the thing is that carbon dating has a flaw, and if you would like, i could go in depth with examples of this. and there are TONS of little facts that give the big bang theory a hard time, and are ignored by the scientific community. anyhow, in summary the big bang is just a theory with little scientific evidence that scientists cling on, because they dont like their other option...

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all i want to know is, how did the matter that formed the earth and planets and all the other stuff ever get created. to create somthing out of nothing would be nothing short of godlike.

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Lanks and PhatTim why do you think carbon dating doesn't work? Give some examples. To me the whole dating thing seems pretty simple.

 
phattim, hello, are you there? you missed to touch on one point discussed earlier in this thread. If god has unconditional love for everyone no matter who they are, then why the hell did he kill a city full of sinners...hmmm.

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skibum he created this world, and he can destroy it if he wants. and he gave that city plenty of chances to turn from their ways, and they didnt listen to any, and if he had let that city stay, they would have eventually corrupted all the godly people...so dont say he didnt give them plenty of chances. so it sure as hell isnt god's fault they were punished, it is entirely theirs.

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oh and konsta, search for it, i dont wanna type it up again, it took effort.

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where we gonna search for it lanks? forums or articles?

'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'

-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'

-//d-lite//

 
Konksta, The method doesn't work on things which didn't get their carbon from the air. This leaves out aquatic creatures, since their carbon might (for example) come from dissolved carbonate rock. That causes a dating problem with any animal that eats seafood.

We can't date things that are too old. After about ten half-lives, there's very little C14 left. So, anything more than about 50,000 years old probably can't be dated at all. If you hear of a carbon dating up in the millions of years, you're hearing a confused report.

We can't date oil paints, because their oil is 'old' carbon from petroleum.

We can't date fossils, for three reasons. First, they are almost always too old. Second, they rarely contain any of the original carbon. And third, it is common to soak new-found fossils in a preservative, such as shellac. It is also standard to coat fossils during their extraction and transport. Acetone is sometimes used while extracting fossils, because it dissolves dirt. In short, unless you have evidence to the contrary, you should assume that most of the carbon in a fossil is from contamination, and is not originally part of the fossil.

Oh and just another idea, how do you atheists explain the dead sea scrolls?

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you know the whole point of a theory is that it is just that. an idea. it's an idea that many people agree on, but have little evidence to support it. and as to the creation of the big bang, an even WILDER theory is that it was caused by explosion of photons... i forget the details and stuff about how the photons 'exploded'... but that's just one more wild 'theory'.

as to the contraction and ultimate destruction of earth, give up, we'll die before then. our planet if focked no matter how hard we try or what we do. last year in science my teacher helped me put together the top 20 ways our earth could die... i lost it, but there are 20 good ways our earth will die(before the contraction of the freakin universe)

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snonasty it was in the jesus thread like last week, but come to think of it that thread either died off real fast or got deleted because i havent seen it in a while...and tim gave some real good points dealing with some problems of radiometric dating.

actually, i think i might just write up an article on it, so keep an eye open for it in the next few days/weeks.

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thanx lanks ill keep an eye out. tim what are the dead sea scrolls? please enlighten us.

peace,paul

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-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'

-//d-lite//

 
this isn't meant to be a joke, but a very serious question. If your 'god' is almighty and all powerful, the can he make a boulder big enough that he can't lift it. In a way I feel that that is a very simple way to disprove the existance of higher powers, just think about it.

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about the dead sea scrolls here ya go.

Dead Sea Scrolls, collection of about 600 Hebrew and Aramaic manuscripts discovered in a group of caves near Khirbat Qumrân in Jordan, at the northwestern end of the Dead Sea. The leather and papyrus scrolls, which survive in varying states of preservation, came to light in a series of archaeological finds that began in 1947. The manuscripts have been attributed to members of a previously unknown Jewish brotherhood. The scrolls include manuals of discipline, hymnbooks, biblical commentaries, and apocalyptic writings; two of the oldest known copies of the Book of Isaiah, almost wholly intact; and fragments of every book in the Old Testament except that of Esther. Among the latter is a fanciful paraphrase of the Book of Genesis. Also found were texts, in the original languages, of several books of the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha. These texts—none of which was included in the Hebrew canon of the Bible—are Tobit, Sirach, Jubilees, portions of Enoch, and the Testament of Levi, hitherto known only in early Greek, Syriac, Latin, and Ethiopic versions.

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The dead sea scrolls are records that were found in a bunch of caves in the middle east that date back to the time of Christ, they document his life, resurection and actions.

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some good drugs haha. idk could be true

peace,paul

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this isn't meant to be a joke, but a very serious question. If your 'god' is almighty and all powerful, the can he make a boulder big enough that he can't lift it. In a way I feel that that is a very simple way to disprove the existance of higher powers, just think about it.

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could he make a pepper so hot he cant eat it? i dont know... does it 'disprove' anything? all it really shows is that god does not contradict himself. if thats the best argument against gods existance, then i thik i had better start going to church and reading the sciptures more regualarly, cause i think theres more evidence for his existance that is more convincing than your little paradox...

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im not supporting any exsistance of a higher power but, slikjamesdick or w/e your name is. your theory isnt holdin up there buddy. if 'he' is all powerful then he chould never make a boulder that he couldnt lift. 'all' when you think about it is a huge word to be tossin around in this situation. 'all powerful' means that nothing is out of reach and nothing is immpossible for him, so he could never make a boulder he couldnt lift.

peace,paul

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