Really Tight Tree Ski

robotdna

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Alright, so after a year or so of getting my ass handed to me in super tight trees with my Billy Goats, I've decided I should probably look for a new ski for tight trees(and by tight, I mean tight enough you need to lift a ski on top of another one or turn your body sideways and hunch up while slamming through branches). While I will be keeping my goats for wide spaces(love them), they don't do tight well. I also have outgrown my all mountain skis so this may double as that for some days.

I really like ON3P indestructibility, but I might be persuaded otherwise if enough people tell me. I had my eyes set on the Jeffrey's...would this work? I'd probably go with 176 or....maybe...a 181.

Help? Thank you. I'm just tired of getting stuck in awkward places because I can't swing my skis around fast enough. Part of it may be that I'm an awful skier. Kind of.
 
the moment pb&js would work really well for that... off the top of my head there about 100 -110 underfoot range though i could be wrong... and man those things rip!
 
Seriously though, if you can't ski tight tree's on a BG, I don't know what your problem is.
 
That ski is way too big for you dude. For 130 you are dragging a lot of extra ski around. Something much shorter would probably float you. I would maybe do 178 mr. pollards opus or 178 sir francis bacon.
 
well that's your problem. you're trying to ski a 191 cm ski at 130 lbs through tight trees. get a shorter ski
 
this for sure, thats way too big for you to take through tight tree's, just get a smaller ski that you can maneuver around better like people said above
 
I handle them fine, it's just tight trees that kill me. I'm a racer and can charge them. It's really not an issue. I have skis for different conditions. I just like how my goats perform on deep pow days, cliffs and chutes.

I have a friend with the PB&Js...I just hear moment doesn't have good build quality, and I love how bomber my ON3Ps are.

I like the Automatics, but I don't need another ski with a 118 waist, I already have that.

Bacons...Hm. I had considered those, but wasn't sure. How well do they hold up to being slammed into trees over and over?

Thank guys, these are helpful.
 
He's on a 191 BG. That's exactly the problem. The radius is tight and it's great in soft snow, but that's a fuck ton of ski sticking out in front of a 130 lb guy who's used to 180cm.
 
Wait for the new automatics then. There are a few new models one of which will suit you very well. I loved my automatics in the trees such a fast turning ski but still a load of fun.
 
Right, because 191 cm is way too long for someone who is only 130 lbs to use in tight spaces. Hence the reason you should get a shorter ski; it'll be easier to turn. Same way a sl ski is easier to turn than a gs ski.
 
You got it...I wouldn't use a GS ski in a SL course.

I'm seeing a lot of different recommendations and not too many overlaps. Hm.
 
Right. From everything I've ever heard anyone say, the billygoat is a great ski for tight trees, so if you like the billy goat, and like on3p, why not just get the billygoat in a shorter length?
 
181 Jmo, maybe even 176? Trees and more, thinking that you are looking at the Jeffrey and wondering about overlap. I do remember that you already have a few pairs of park skis, any of those ready to retire? Would strengthen the jmo IMO.
 
I have Goats and a pair of Rossi S4 Jibs. I do have some Atomic Crimsons, but I was hoping I could find a new All-mountain ski. I will look at the jmos. Maybe if sell both my Atomics and Rossis I can make it work.

So no on the Jeffrey's?

Any other suggestions?
 
Huck says I should get some Worth Magics...anyone else have experience with these skis? Can they ride switch well?
 
Hucks pretty much the only person I have heard talk about them.....but by god from the way he would talk I'm pretty sure he would die for them.
 
I pretty much would haha and no worries, it's kind of hard to have a lot of reviews for a ski that I think only about 30 pairs even exist so I totally understand the hesitation to spend all that dough when there's so much good gear that tons of people have been on. Also disclaimer time: I totally got to help the Worth guys design this ski along with one of the Magic Freeride coaches. It excites me though because we really did get to brainstorm together and figure out exactly how to make a ski do all the things we really wanted it to. We called it the Magic because we designed it to ski Magic Mountain, MRG and Jay type terrain specifically. Cliffs, rocks, steeps and not a ton of snow all the time with the occasional huge dump free-for-all huckfest. I hate the term one ski quiver but that was basically our aim.

Agility and stability were our top priorities. To achieve it we gave the ski ~4mm of camber for pop and a 25m sidecut with a nice progressive, stiff core for stability at speed. To keep it from being only a super burly big mtn charger though, we integrated the sidecut and early rise all the way to that pointy tip to provide a suuuuuuuuper easy turn initiation and gave the tails a little longer rocker profile and low round tails. Also that tip does a lot. It's pointy to it minimizes mass, which allows it to punch and slice through everything and plane smoothly in pow- also when it's on it's side there's less tip to hook so it absolutely owns chopped up pow and bullshit mank and turns more predictably when you're down inside that 3D pow environment getting sexy. It also doesn't chatter at speed because there's less up there to want to slop which also keeps the ride smoother, faster. The Magics really are a quicker ski than the BGs in the trees as they are a forward biased handling ski that is very balanced. If you drive the tips, the tails will do whatever you want but they do lack that GS style big pop feedback on the groomed because of it. It is as close to effortless tree skiing as I have felt to be honest. I love them in tight rocky stuff because you can go from popping tiny turns through the trees and then just straightline to stomp off a cliff with total confidence. The mount point is farther forward than most of their other skis and it really gives you full control of the entire ski 100% of the time and the ski has a very large sweet spot which comes into play when you're whipping them around, skiing or landing backwards or skiing bumps etc.

Also with any Worth ski you get to specify one of two core options (response for lighter guys and power core for huge dudes or big mtn rippers, etc) as well as two layup options IIRC. Regular fiberglass (which is slightly heavier, slightly softer and a bit damper of a ride) and the new double carbon hybrid (Which instead of one layer of carbon above the core as in standard hybrid layup, it adds one below the core as well for extra pop, a bit extra stiffness and a much more crisp rebound). Your pair of Worth skis are literally built specifically for you, to your specs, by Keith at Praxis. Normally only Tabke gets that treatment ;)

Just for comparison, I have had two generations of BGs and while I loved them both like no other ski in freshies, they are a pure pow ski even with the big advances in the elliptical sidecut integration and such. They are more work when it's tracked out or not consistently super deep or fluffy. I needed something that had a little more even handedness ad dependability across the board because a lot of the trees I ski don't have a ton of snow in them half the time so pow only was a no go. The camber and sidecut of the Magics let me ski them everyday and the swively, poppy nature of the turns just keeps it all so fun. If you're into skiing stacked and balanced and making fast feet moves in steep shit, these are your huckleberry. Even if you are out west, these skis reward smooth, fast and strong skiers. Ex racers automatically shit a brick when they ski them in the trees, especially the SL guys haha. They were literally made from the ground up for it. They're stiffer than the BGs and just really more predictable in everything but the fluffiest of bottomless pow. Magics seem to soak it all up while the BGs gave me a ton of feedback I didn't particularly want. Please don't take this as a dig to BGs- which will always have a spot in my heart and a space in my dream quiver.

If there's anything specific you want to know about the Magics, don't hesitate to ask. I'd be happy to elaborate on anything you may be curious about. Worth is a great brand with some great ideas with some awesome dudes running it and it's hard to fault the build quality of Praxis in any case and I'm stoked to be lucky enough to have been a part of the process behind this one.

 
Get a JJ or S7 is trees are really your focus. You can listen to everyone hype up On3p, and its well deserved, but the s7 or JJ will put most skis out there to shame in the trees.
 
Holy cow Huck that was in depth. I guess this is my next ski purchase. Too bad I can't afford them right now. :(
 
As has been said, 190cm at 130 lbs? That's a lot of ski to drag through tight trees.

Anywho--the SFB might be a good option for you. Especially if you could wrangle up a pair from last year 172-178cm. I don't know your body type but that super long length does not seem prudent. I ride the SFB and have been quite impressed with how quick and agile it is, really impressed actually. I've had good luck with on the durability side, normal chipping and what not here and there but I am abusive on my sticks and haven't had any big issues at all. They're light, quick, responsive, and can handle a variety of conditions.

The Worth would also be a great choice. I've never ridden a pair, but Huck just gave you a compelling dissertation, I'd check em out.
 
If anybody would like to give them a rip let me know. I am not sure what the Worth demo fleet looks like as one of their owners just suffered a massive house fire last night but I'd be more than happy to let you take my pair out for a rip (they've got FKS mounted @300mm fyi) or try to get you on some of the demo fleet, which are mounted with adrenalines so you can tour on them and really get a feel for how they'll treat you all around, uphill and down.
 
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That sounds shit. Go ski some fun trees instead.

Original S7s and DPS 112s are the best I've skied in tight trees, but they don't do as well elsewhere compared to others.
 
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