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These are real heroes to look up to IMO.

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'We Were Told We Were Fighting Terrorists; the Real Terrorist Was Me'

By Aaron Glantz, Haymarket Books. Posted October 10, 2008.

http://www.alternet.org/asoldierspeaks/102352/?page=entire

In March of this year, a courageous group of veterans brought the war home, at a historic event held in Silver Spring, Md., inspired by Vietnam veterans a generation before. "Winter Soldier: Iraq and Afghanistan" convened more than 200 soldiers who have served in the so-called "War on Terror;" like their fellow soldiers before them, who shared stories that laid bare the nightmare of Vietnam, these veterans bore witness to the crimes that have been committed in Americans' names during the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. The hearings lasted four days; in their testimony, soldiers described how the discarding of the military's rules of engagement and its systematic dehumanization of Iraqi and Afghan civilians has led to horrible acts of violence against innocent men, women and children. "These are not isolated incidents," was a common refrain, even as the episodes they described seemed exceptionally brutal. For many of the veterans, it was the first time they had told their stories.

Now, the searing testimony has been compiled in an important new book: Winter Soldier: Iraq and Afghanistan: Eyewitness Accounts of the Occupation, edited by Aaron Glantz and published by Haymarket Books. I strongly encourage you to buy the book, preferably though the Web site of Iraq Veterans Against the War, which organized the Winter Soldier hearings and continues to hold similar events in cities across the country. All proceeds of books purchased through IVAW will go to support its crucial work.

The following excerpt comes from Michael Prysner, a corporal in the Army Reserve who came home in February 2004.

-- Liliana Segura, Editor, War on Iraq Special Coverage

When I first joined the army, I was told that racism no longer existed in the military. A legacy of inequality and discrimination was suddenly washed away by something called the Equal Opportunity Program. We would sit through mandatory classes, and every unit had an EO representative to ensure that no elements of racism could resurface. The army seemed firmly dedicated to smashing any hint of racism.

Then September 11 happened, and I began to hear new words like "towel-head," and "camel jockey," and the most disturbing, "sand nigger." These words did not initially come from my fellow lower-enlisted soldiers, but from my superiors: my platoon sergeant, my first sergeant, my battalion commander. All the way up the chain of command, these viciously racist terms were suddenly acceptable.

When I got to Iraq in 2003, I learned a new word, "haji." Haji was the enemy. Haji was every Iraqi. He was not a person, a father, a teacher, or a worker. It's important to understand where this word came from. To Muslims, the most important thing is to take a pilgrimage to Mecca, the Hajj. Someone who has taken this pilgrimage is a haji. It's something that, in traditional Islam, is the highest calling in the religion. We took the best thing from Islam and made it into the worst thing.

Since the creation of this country, racism has been used to justify expansion and oppression. Native Americans were called "savages," the Africans were called all sorts of things to excuse slavery, and Vietnam veterans know the multitude of words used to justify that imperialist war.

So haji was the word we used. It was the word we used on this particular mission I'm going to talk about. We've heard a lot about raids and kicking down the doors of people's houses and ransacking their houses, but this was a different kind of raid.

We never got any explanation for our orders. We were only told that a group of five or six houses was now property of the U.S. military, and we had to go in and make those families leave their houses.

We went to these houses and informed the families that their homes were no longer theirs. We provided them no alternative, nowhere to go, no compensation. They were very confused and very scared. They did not know what to do and would not leave, so we had to remove them.

One family in particular, a woman with two small girls, a very elderly man, and two middle-aged men; we dragged them from their house and threw them onto the street. We arrested the men because they refused to leave, and we sent them off to prison.

A few months later I found out, as we were short interrogators and I was given that assignment. I oversaw and participated in hundreds of interrogations. I remember one in particular that I'm going to share with you. It was the moment that really showed me the nature of this occupation.

This particular detainee was already stripped down to his underwear, hands behind his back and a sandbag on his head. I never saw this man's face. My job was to take a metal folding chair and smash it against the wall next to his head -- he was faced against the wall with his nose touching it -- while a fellow soldier screamed the same question over and over again. No matter what his answer, my job was to slam the chair against the wall. We did this until we got tired.

I was told to make sure he kept standing up, but something was wrong with his leg. He was injured, and he kept falling to the ground. The sergeant in charge would come and tell me to get him up on his feet, so I'd have to pick him up and put him against the wall. He kept going down. I kept pulling him up and putting him against the wall. My sergeant was upset with me for not making him continue to stand. He picked him up and slammed him against the wall several times. Then he left. When the man went down on the ground again, I noticed blood pouring down from under the sandbag. I let him sit, and when I noticed my sergeant coming again, I would tell him quickly to stand up. Instead of guarding my unit from this detainee, I realized I was guarding the detainee from my unit.

I tried hard to be proud of my service, but all I could feel was shame. Racism could no longer mask the reality of the occupation. These are human beings. I've since been plagued by guilt. I feel guilt any time I see an elderly man, like the one who couldn't walk who we rolled onto a stretcher and told the Iraqi police to take him away. I feel guilt any time I see a mother with her children, like the one who cried hysterically and screamed that we were worse than Saddam as we forced her from her home. I feel guilt any time I see a young girl, like the one I grabbed by the arm and dragged into the street.

We were told we were fighting terrorists; the real terrorist was me, and the real terrorism is this occupation. Racism within the military has long been an important tool to justify the destruction and occupation of another country. Without racism, soldiers would realize that they have more in common with the Iraqi people than they do with the billionaires who send us to war.

I threw families onto the street in Iraq, only to come home and find families thrown onto the street in this country, in this tragic and unnecessary foreclosure crisis. Our enemies are not five thousand miles away, they are right here at home, and if we organize and fight, we can stop this war, we can stop this government, and we can create a better world.

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Questioning the system and the world around you doesn't make you a terrorist or anti-patriotic, despite what the leader tell you. Remember that when you vote this fall :)
 
thank you for posting this. I have a lot of friends who tell me and themselves that they arent racist, yet they constantly talk about how they want to join the marines so they can go kill some haji or blow some sand nigger brains out and it always bothers me. they dont understand how horrible the war in iraq is and how it isnt a "noble" thing to do. i will definitely be showing all of them this.l
 
Also remember how our own government is running heroin into the country to support the war on terror and did the same during nam. Then they tell you if you buy weed you're supporting terrorists, but I guess if you buy heroin your supporting the US!
 
Thanks for posting man. Most people who join the military have no idea what they are in for..

Even worse, once they figure it out, most of them lie about it to themselves and others in order to justify their actions and participation in things they know are wrong.

Many people I used to know were super eager to go to Iraq, and some of them are dead. Others are undoubtedly scarred for life.

Seriously, if you know some kid who's going into the military and is talking all kinds of shit about getting deployed and the glory of war, tell him to fuck off.

 
I do in fact have sources. Research a man named Lieutenant Colonel James 'Bo' Gritz. He is responsible for uncovering a majority of the information pertaining to opium and nam (fake POW missions, drug lords, and corrupt CIA activity and funding). Also check out the Iran-contra and their connections to heroin in the middle east (Bush, Cheyenne, ETC). Also the Clinton's dealings with Haiti and the DR as a way to traffic drugs in a straight line from the source (columbia) to compete with the mass amounts of illegal drug money the Bushes accumulate and use as campaign/war funds. It's way to deep for me to explain on NS, but the information is out there and a majority of it seems to be from VERY credible sources.
 
oh and can we please stop calling this a "war" its not a war, its just an invasion and an incredible abuse of human rights. Not just for the iraqis but for the soldiers being sent into this for nothing and losing their lives.
 
The atrocities cited here: people being forcibly evicted from their homes and a prisoner being thrown against a wall. In virtually any other war in history, this would be considered absurdly humane treatment of civilians and POWs. I'm not trying to say there's been nothing wrong done in the war in Iraq - there are ALWAYS atrocities on all sides of any conflict - but the fact that so many former insurgents joined forces with the Americans to fight Al Qaeda (in what's been called the "Anbar awakening") is a pretty strong testimony against the claim that "we are the terrorists."

I won't dispute that this guy SAW these things, but a Reserve corporal is by no means a highly credible source when it comes to understanding what was going on around him. And his claim that Vietnam was an "imperialist" conflict, along with his other leftist babblings, further undermines his credibility.

 
a reserve corporal is a much more credible source than you are.

have you served in the armed forces..been to iraq maybe? what gives you this ability to dismiss someone's judgement

as far as atrocities..the mere fact that we are doing things in a foreign country which we would not tolerate in our own, is atrocity enough..how would you like to live under martial law and chaos for five years?
 
I haven't been to Iraq but I am an officer in the Navy. And my ability to dismiss his judgment is based on his clear lack of understanding of the bigger issues here.

Regarding your "martial law and chaos" statement, I agree that the Iraqi people have paid a terrible price for our actions there - though I think it's much too early to make a final cost-benefit evaluation - but while said chaos is a result of our policy, it's not something we're actively pursuing (obviously). And I stand by the statement that these our weak examples of "atrocities."
 
I normally don't like talking about this kind of stuff because you immediately get labeled as belonging to some part or ideology. I'll give it a shot though.

My problems with the situation in Iraq are numerous:

1. What is the end goal of our presence there?

If the end goal is stabilization of Iraq, how long are we willing to stay to see it through.

If our presence in Iraq is a large factor in its chaotic environment then our staying to see the job through would be hopeless.

Of course I believe that our presence is a major factor. Certainly if we were to leave Iraq there could be further chaos. Therefore the longer we stay, the longer the pain continues.

I heard McCain and other candidates in the primaries speak of leaving with Honor. This is insulting to me, and I hope you agree as a military officer that Honor is an ideal which rarely if ever supersedes practicality in military matters. Esp. in today's modern warfare.

So how can we expect Iraq to stabilize if our presence there is causing destabilization but we will not leave until the country is stable.

2. Why did we really go into Iraq?

Of course the often touted WMD.. Its been repeated so much no one even cares any more. But of course none were found. We certainly did not go in to liberate the Iraqis from a horrible dictator...this was just a side effect.

Even if Saddam had WMD's what level of sophistication would his systems have? Where would he be able to reach with the No Fly Zones and (correct me if I am wrong) no Air Force to speak of. Even if he could hit us or our allies (he did send Scuds into Israel in first Gulf War) what gives us the right to conduct preemptive war. Destroying a nuclear facility is one thing, but invading a whole country and taking it over is quite another.

Of course we can't forget that we aided Saddam in the 1980's.

We aided the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan as well during the 1980's.

If we are to listen to most of our "leaders" all that is behind us and irrelevant. Nothing we have done in the past has any effect on us today they seem to point out with their complete lack of discourse on America's past policies.

Of course no one knows how seriously our actions in Iraq will impact us in the future.

We are doing things in Iraq, which you point our are hardly atrocities by past standards. Of course I am sure true atrocities have occurred, but I am willing to bet our forces are much more disciplined and self restrained than most others in the history of combat. The atrocious conduct is that the War is effectively over.. We have "Won".. Remember that major combat operations were supposed to have ended shortly after the invasion. So do you not find it disturbing that we have upheld a state of martial law in Iraq for about five years? Longer than our involvement in World War II!!!! What fucking right do we have to trounce around their land and tell them what to do? Were they to come to our land like this they would certainly not be treated as liberators.. they would be treated as invaders, occupants and as you can imagine would be met with a hail of bullets.. Of course we are shocked that Iraqis might be pissed to see people they see as Crusaders and infidels destroying their homes and killing their relatives. If their government can't stand up without US intervention, then what good is it? Maybe we should leave and let things take their course.

There are other practical considerations. I believe the war costs about ten billion a month.. Whats ten billion though....

I am very confused about our current mission in Iraq.

 
i think a lot of people are in the same boat. i don't really know, but it seems like we can't pull out, at least immeaditly, and we can't keep fighting, as it is a pointless battle. look at history. trying to fight muslims for religious reasons hasn't worked in the past, so why would it now? and so what do we do?
 
I am confused about the mission, but I think that's because there is no clear goal right now other than the cessation of violence which is quite vague and unsatisfactory.

I favor a quick withdrawal from Iraq.
 
I understand what your saying (that just because this guy saw these things doesnt mean they are 100% true / that the US may can be considered to be doing some good over there) and I agree with that. I posted this though with the intentions of highlighting and recongizing the 'other' type of hero out there that is often overlooked or silenced.

Everyone doesnt have to be G.I. Joe in this world to be a hero :)
 
Fuck how wars have been fought in the past, talking about issues and addressing the prejudices and injustice that goes on no matter what the situation is good for humanity.
 
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