unfortunately we cant use it till winter, cuz we dont wanna build a drop in. when winter rolls around we build a pile of snow for the drop in, its what we did last year for the 10' flat we made. we tried a summer setup with the flat, but no luck. maybe cuz i didnt bring my skis and we only used my friends, whos are unwaxed. why didnt he wax them? "i thought they were". idiot.