Racers = sick jibbers?

I guess you're right if you consider "jibbing" to only be ability to do a cork 9 and a pretzel. I was taking everything into consideration including BC booters and halfpipe as well. Having race training makes you a better skier no matter what kind of skiing you do. This thread is stupid... pretty pissed I wasted my time on this.
 
that's just pure arrogance on tanner's part. he'll make it to the bottom will he? let's see him go with 220 downhill skis on the downhill in kitzbuhl. we'll see if he makes it to the bottom.
 
yeah if tanner tried to tuck a real downhill he might die. If a racer tried to catch a lot of air in a pipe they might get hurt decking out or hitting the bottom from 10-20 ft. but not as bad as a 75mph+ crash.
 
I'm an ex-racer, and I'm pretty sure I could stomp most of the kids on here anywhere else on the mountain. Such as a big mountain line or just a groomer. Some of these park rats don't have much of a platform besides the fact that they can ski the park... But saying they could own any of use freeskiers in the park is a bunch of bullshit. I'd love to see Daron Rhaolves ski in the park, he'd be all tense and absolutely no steez at all.
 
oh yeah, to the dude who started this thread, jon started out racing, he didnt just pick it last couple of years, he was pretty sick at racing then he started freeskiing, not the other way around
 
I know this ^. and like i've already said, much of Jon's tallent in both freeride and racing can be attributed to his early racing, however the point i'm trying to make with Jon is that you don't become a lazy, deteriorating skier from changing from racing to freeride. and what i have experienced with racers is extreme cockiness with what they are skiing, and then that rubs off on other racers who don't have any right whatsoever to be cocky, and basically starts a downward spiral.
 
one thing that racing gives u are balls because DH is some scary shit. in those DH they get as much air maybe more than any pro has gotten because there going at least 70 into some gnarly run. racers might not have good steeze but put them in Back country and they will rip it up.
 
Who cares? Not sure if its just me but id like to keep the mountain as free from arrogance as possible. Its fine if youre joking around, but looking down on someone when they are having just as much fun as you whether they be falling halfway down their run or not is just a fuckin joke. Remember this whole idea where skiing is supposed to be a super chill sport? Yeah lets try to keep it that way. Racing jibbing moguling (its a word now bitches) or whatever, its all cool.

Oh, but snowbladers are excluded, fuck them~
 
What I think a lot of people are forgetting is that skiing is always evolving and changing. If we were to revisit this issue 10 or 20 years from now, we'll look at racers as totally old school and whack or maybe we'll look at park and pipe is totally "non-legit"

We're at a super unique period right now because we're witnessing the tail end of a transformation between racers into park and pipe riders. I hate the use freeskiers because it's fucking bullshit and doesn't describe shit. We got out park and pipe guys, big mountain, on-piste biatches, and racers and everything in between. But back to my point., the transformation we have here is that most of us started racing then switched over, and compared to those who didn't race and switched over, we, the racers, are more fundamentally sound skiers. With that being said, fundamentals can be the foundation to solid skiing but there is also an additional ability to perform that's needed. This foundation of skill allows one to attain that ability much faster than those without the racing background.

This isn't to say that racers are better park and pipe, big mountain or whatever skiers. But this does say that a person with a ski racing background has an advantage to becoming a better overall skier. With time though, we'll notice that each niche of skiing will excel with skiers who have only mastered that type of skiing. The park rats, are always gonna be best in the park, the on-piste guys will always lay a nice carve and the big mountain fellas are gonna have some ski lines, but the racers are gonna have most crossover ability of them all. What's happening now, also, is that racing is dying breed and until the racer community realizes that racing is expensive and you gotta pay to play, it's gonna be a rude awakening for them all when their kids turn in the slaloms for a pair of twin tips.

I myself grew up racing and now stick with park and pipe and big mountain.
 
Not more "athletically" just we carve the shit out of the hill and actually leave two edge marks embedded into the snow.
 
Oh and a response to the racing makes you a better skier argument...

I would agree that racing works out the right muscles and gives your skiing that all important aggressive aspect, but in the end I think much of the improvement is just because they are well... skiing, alot. Racers are always up there lapping and training and hill time will translate over to some degree in most anything~
 
As a racer-turned-freeskier myself I think that having a racing background means half of the battle of freestyle skiing is already won as being a good skier to start with will help with progression in the park.
 
yea i was gonna say, thats fucking embarassing for anyone who looses to jon. im not saying hes bad but, racing for anyone on the world cup circuit is life, thats all they do is train and race. so for a guy who mainly does freestyle to come and beat these people after training for like a month is just sad haha.

and yea racing helps the skiing fundamentals, but the only way to be good at either park or racing is practice. unless someone has some serious natural talent, they cant come in and dominate a race or the park without having practice in either of the respective disciplines.
 
ok so when i was a kid i raced and to tell the truth i was a pretty nasty racer and won most of my gs and slalom events and then i took some years off and just rode the park and all around mountain cuz i kinda got sick of the gates, and it did make a difference, i am much better at carving and keeping a good edge and being more stabile, obvisiously you dont need an edge in teh park and half that stuff but when you take to other parts of the mountain and you see ur friends skiing like shit and cant hold an edge for their life you can tell it makes a difference
 
you're so wise baxter.

Also, Jon was a Sweedish national team racer and I believe national GS champion and made the podium at several other national events.
 
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its sad to say but yes i started as a racer. when i was in high school i joined the ski team just so i could ski diferent resorts. BUT my grades suckd balls so every time we went to race another school i wasent able to race but they gave me a lift ticket every time, so when my buddys were racing i was skiing park...... and look at me now bitches.......................................................................................
 
i'm a racer and it helps big mountain, i'm kinda brute at park because i've put no time into it but i can slay big mtn lines and racing helps develop the balls to go that fast and trust your skis that much
 
i feel like racers are so used to going fast and facing alot of challenges that when their in their park they really dont care what their about to hit next. they may be able to hit a jump but i dont see them putting any style into it i only see them trying to hit it as fast as they can and the most i see are terrible and just awkward looking
 
tanner put it splendidly.
"put me at the top of a race course and ill make it down. maybe a little slower than the racers but id get down. put a racer at the top of a pipe, they wont even start."
 
hahahaha the snowblader thing was funny

But true to everything else- do what you love and dont hate others for doing what they love
 
Wow are we seriously arguing about this? This is a skiing website. All skiers whether they be racer, freestyler, mogulist, aerialist or just freeskier are all out on the slopes every day for the same purpose, for fun. Saying racing is stupid would be like saying skiing is stupid. On top of it all the different styles of skiing have similar and different asspects to them so there is no way to truly tell what style of skiing will make you the best.

Enough hating
 
I used to race and now I ride park the only thing it helped me with is being really comfortable on my skis but most racers are suffering from enlarged egos... I used to ditch training to go ride a fresh cut pipe
 
This subject has no real answer but i can say this, it racing definatley helped me to look better whilst skiing and it gave me more confidence to hit bigger jumps because i'm used to the speed, and if you throw away the egos and whatnot racers have more confidence, commitement and stability in any kind of skiing that they choose to participate in whether it be in a race course, the park or the powder, or groomers! Love to Ski no matter what!
 
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