Neither the Vicious or Elizabeth is what you want IMO. Unless you like making super tight turns the Elizabeth is probably the wrong ski for you because of the massive ammount of sidecut. But then again I've never skied the Elizabeth, so I'm making assumptions. If your looking for a true quiver ski, fuck anything under 110 in the waist. How about some Thugs,EHPs,ANTs,Spats, Sanouks, FatyPuss,or Prophet 130s? If your on a budget Powder Pluses would also be great. If you dont want an all out quiver ski, and want something that can still handle variable conditions it opens up a lot more choices. The Gotamas, Pimps, Mojo 105 are good choices for that. If you are a bigger guy and can ski look at Supermojos, BROs, Legend Pros,Titan Pros, or used Iggies. If you are not a strong skier do not even consider the 5 skis in the last sentence. They WILL kick your ass. Also search Big Mountain to get more info,