Questions about Portland

So I'm going to be moving to Portland this winter and am about to buy my season pass. I can't decide between Meadows or Fusion. From what I can find:

Meadows is better for overall terrain, but cons are long lines and farther away from Portland.

Fusion has a better park (at t-line), but flatter and less powder days.

How long does it usually take from Meadows to Portland on a weekend (I will certainly be a weekend warrior)?

How about timberline/ski bowl on a weekend?

What do people consider long lines, will I be waiting for 20+ minutes in line at Meadows on a nice day?

I'm aiming to live on the outskirts of town, should I aim to be on the East side of town to be closer to the mountains or is that difference negligible since all the traffic is at the mountains and not by town?

This regional isn't too active but I'm not moving for a few months anyway.
 
The drive varies greatly from day to day. I made the drive from the inner eastside to Meadows every weekend (among other days) last season. The trip can take anywhere from 1:30 to 2:30. On the weekends, I am always shooting for being there about 8am (have to get a kid there for race team by 9). The later you leave the worse traffic is going to be. Admittedly, I've never made a later weekend drive as I can't risk getting shut out if the lots fill. All it takes is one FWD car creeping along at 15mph to cost everyone 20-30 minutes. 99% of those slowdowns occur after you have passed Skibowl and Timberline (so more dependable drive times to those places). On the worst days, the line into Meadows would back up all the way back to hwy35, so two miles of barely moving traffic. At one point, I switched to taking 84 to Hood River then south to Meadows. Longer, but about the same trip times. On the drive home, the slowdowns tend to start coming through Govt Camp so it's not as variable and everyone hits it.

I've only ever lived in one location, so I can't speak to travel times from different parts of town. I will say that taking surface streets through Portland will slow you considerably. Proximity to a highway is probably as important as actual location.

A "long" lift line at Meadows is still much shorter than most places I have skied. I never really timed it though. 10 mins, maybe 15 at peak, unless the lifts are acting up. If you're flexible on where you're skiing, it's often possible to just change areas when it gets busy. I ski a lot during the week when you can often ski onto the lift. Still, weekend lift lines rarely annoy me.

I can't compare terrain at Timberline/SkiBowl. Once we committed to season passes and a ski team there wasn't much money left to try other places. Renewed at Meadows again for this year. I'm hoping to get some days in at the others this year if I can find some lift ticket deals.
 
If you like park you should get the Fusion pass. Timberline has by far the best parks on Hood (people fly in from all over the world to ski park at Timberline) Meadows grooming sucks in the park and all over. Skibowl is lower but has the best terrain on Hood. TLine and Skibowl have a more mellow vibe than Meadows and way less driving. Also it's not uncommon to be skiing on the the lift no lines on a weekend at TLine/ Skibowl. Night riding is better at Timberline than Meadows and Skibowl may be the best night riding anywhere.
 
First of all no matter which pass you go with you definitely want to live on the east side, no sense in crossing through the city center twice per ski day. A lot of the slow downs in traffic are on the mountain, but there's plenty of traffic in town before you get there. If you're down to live in the "outskirts" (lol not totally sure what those are), then i would consider towns in the lower Southeast (Milwaukie, Clackamas, Damascus etc). I live in Sellwood (lower SE Portland), and the drive to Meadows usually takes about 80-ish minutes on weekdays.

On the weekend it can take anywhere from 1.5 to 2.5 hours depending on weather and jabronies on the road. Living further east in Portland can definitely make a difference in your drive time, but living further south on the east side of Portland can save you a lot of time as well -- I take the 224 > 212 > 26, and it steers you clear of tons of traffic (most people take the 26 all the way from inner Portland). I live really close to Milwaukie and I'm sure it's saved me countless hours in the car over the years, makes sense when you look at the map since you bypass a lot of city traffic and stop lights on the 26. I would keep that southern route in mind wherever you look; i.e. if you lived in the Lents neighborhood in PDX you could get down to the 224 pretty fast.

Meadows -
best terrain IMO, steepest, most interesting, most challenging. Heather / Clark canyons and Private Reserve are pretty damn big and are absolutely full of fun stuff (steeps, glades, cliffs, waterfalls, big powder fields, etc). Lots of windy ridge-tops all over the whole resort, which makes for tons of sweet natural features (windlips, cornices, gaps etc). Pow stashes all over the place when you get to know the map well. Honestly the best terrain parks you'll find at Meadows are those windy ridges with the natty features on em.

Slightly longer drive, actual terrain parks aren't great, and season is a little shorter than T-line. Night skiing is decent but not terribly exciting. Lines can get frustrating on the weekends sometimes, but not bad 90% of the time - almost every lift is high speed and when all the lifts are open, even on a Saturday, people often spread out and the lines aren't bad (5 minutes or less). The lines only get long (like 15 min wait) right when they open on a pow day/weekend, after a zone has just opened up (like Heather canyon), or if they can't run all of the lifts on a storm day (i.e. sometimes Heather, Cascade, and Vista chairs are all closed... then you're gonna get some lines).

Fusion - definitely true that if you're really into park Fusion is hands down the way to go, T-line's parks are prally the biggest and best in the NW and SkiBowl is a really sick bonus to have too (and it's so close to town). T-line has parks of several different sizes and styles pretty much all the time, and they maintain them way better than Meadows. There's some pretty cool terrain you can access from the top of the Palmer lift (a couple nice canyons if you traverse out skiers right past the rope), but it doesn't really compare to the canyons and PR at Meadows. Shorter drive but not by a whole lot (10-20 minutes usually). With the right timing you can get from pdx to skibowl in an hour or less depending on where you live, which is dope for shredding after work when it's dumping snow.

TBH if you're a proficient skier and you're not into hitting the park, you'll probably get bored at T-line pretty fast. SkiBowl is more challenging and interesting, and the night skiing is the best anywhere, but it's pretty small and at considerably lower elevation so they have a harder time with snow than the other two (and they can't stay open as late into the season).

TLDR -- if you want to ski big lines / powder / cliffs / trees / natural features etc. then Meadows is the way to go. If you're more into nice terrain parks, night skiing, longer season, and somewhat shorter drive, Fusion would be great. Live on the east side, try to take the 224 / 212 route to save time, and probably don't worry about lift lines too much.
 
13852304:jellybiscuit said:
I will say that taking surface streets through Portland will slow you considerably. Proximity to a highway is probably as important as actual location.

A "long" lift line at Meadows is still much shorter than most places I have skied. I never really timed it though. 10 mins, maybe 15 at peak, unless the lifts are acting up. If you're flexible on where you're skiing, it's often possible to just change areas when it gets busy. I ski a lot during the week when you can often ski onto the lift. Still, weekend lift lines rarely annoy me.

+1 very true. Most weekdays you can ski right onto the lift at Meadows

**This post was edited on Nov 6th 2017 at 9:08:16pm
 
13852696:kittywampus said:
TBH if you're a proficient skier and you're not into hitting the park, you'll probably get bored at T-line pretty fast.

IMO the more you ski at T-line the more fun you have. I do not get bored lapping T-line. So many fun natural features to be discovered. Last spring there were days that I lapped Heather's in the morning got tired of it and then went to Timberline to ski out west from Palmer.
 
FUCK YEAH, so much great info. Thanks jellybiscuit, oregondead, and kittywampus.

Even though I am moving there for the mountains and want some varied terrain, I am coming from New York City and I just want to do a winter without having to deal with shitloads of traffic for once. I got the Fusion Pass based on everyone's replies, but may hit up Meadows for a few weekday trips I have time, maybe get a ten-trip pass if I can come up with some extra $$
 
13853732:RenegadeZ3 said:
FUCK YEAH, so much great info. Thanks jellybiscuit, oregondead, and kittywampus.

Even though I am moving there for the mountains and want some varied terrain, I am coming from New York City and I just want to do a winter without having to deal with shitloads of traffic for once. I got the Fusion Pass based on everyone's replies, but may hit up Meadows for a few weekday trips I have time, maybe get a ten-trip pass if I can come up with some extra $$

Hell yeah. I'll show you some stashes if you want to take some laps this season Send me a message or look for me out there. Blue helmet and black YLEs. I'm going back up to TLine tomorrow.
 
13852898:OregonDead said:
IMO the more you ski at T-line the more fun you have. I do not get bored lapping T-line. So many fun natural features to be discovered. Last spring there were days that I lapped Heather's in the morning got tired of it and then went to Timberline to ski out west from Palmer.

Yeah I'm sure there are plenty of gems at T-line that I don't know about, I've only been there 10-15 times. I do love that whole area west of Palmer tho and the bone zone is always super fun, so down with lil gullies like that
 
13853732:RenegadeZ3 said:
FUCK YEAH, so much great info. Thanks jellybiscuit, oregondead, and kittywampus.

Even though I am moving there for the mountains and want some varied terrain, I am coming from New York City and I just want to do a winter without having to deal with shitloads of traffic for once. I got the Fusion Pass based on everyone's replies, but may hit up Meadows for a few weekday trips I have time, maybe get a ten-trip pass if I can come up with some extra $$

^^^ likewise if/when you hit up Meadows this year I'd be down to show you some $$$ spots - shoot me a dm at some point if you're into it. Looking like a snowy winter this year!

**This post was edited on Nov 9th 2017 at 4:32:15pm
 
Don't feel bad if you feeling little bummed about missing out on the steep powder lines that meadows has to offer. Skibowl is the most underrated hill for powder skiing on Mt.Hood. Upper bowl has a HUGE variety of cliffs, moguls, backcountry terrain for all skiers. It is also really steep which makes it really easy to charge through and have a good time.
 
13856229:BeefiestExpert said:
Don't feel bad if you feeling little bummed about missing out on the steep powder lines that meadows has to offer. Skibowl is the most underrated hill for powder skiing on Mt.Hood. Upper bowl has a HUGE variety of cliffs, moguls, backcountry terrain for all skiers. It is also really steep which makes it really easy to charge through and have a good time.

Yuuup skibowl on a pow day is unreal. If you're able to get a weekday off work, go shred Timberline in the morning and then mob down for some skibowl freshies at 3pm.
 
get the meadows winter pass and a timberline spring pass. I've had both for a season and Timberline is flat as a pancake. Ski Bowl is cool though
 
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