Protecting U.S.

Kotelet

Kotelet

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One thing that REALLY got to me about Fahrenheit 9/11 was this:

It seems that a really popular argument for voting for George W. Bush nowadays is 'He's protecting America', 'Kerry is weak', 'Bush is defending America against terrorists' etc. etc.

All you people who have posted sentences like that in arguments FOR Bush. What are your main views on this theory put up by Moore?:

That the Bush-administration willingly USED 9/11 attacks to start a scare about terrorism in the US. To make people afraid of the foreign threat. There were a MILLION terror-warnings after the 9/11 attacks. But how many attacks REALLY occurred? Was that REALLY because Bush was defending the country, or maybe there wasn't any threat at all? The government kept the 'Terror-meter' at a high level to keep people afraid and scared of the eastern world.

This was the means to keep people supporting the 'war-president'. Bush was the man who was going to protect America. And when he decided to attack Iraq, a huge part of the US 'blindly' chose to follow his lead and go to war. This was a plan that had been there from the beginning of the post 9/11 period. The 9/11 attacks were the PERFECT base for a later attack on Iraq.

If this is really the case (Im NOT saying that it REALLY is, nor saying it isn't), then every single person HOLDING on to this fear of terrorism, this inherrent feeling of fear of terrorrism (being conciously or unconsciously) is mostly a product of government propaganda.

Thus the argument og voting for the 'stronger' president is no longer valid. There is no NEED for the 'War-president'.

This is a question. Im not saying that the theory is the real thing. If it was. It would be.... well... terrible.

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However... unfortunately... it seem plausible that Bush would do it.

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Yeah thats what happening more or less. They made this little thing called the patriot act that limits our civil liberties given to us in by the FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION. but i guess the bill of rights doesn't really matter anymore.

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I loved on the daily show when jon stewart said 'with the democrats now in the spotlight after the democratic conventions it-oh this just in, TERROR ALERT' that was classic

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did you just state 9/11 was a governmental conspiracy they set up for a reason to attack iraq. Dude seriously I live in new york city and I know dozens who died there, so don't give me bullshit that our government set this up. Thats the problem with all you anti-bush people, you come up with fucking rediculous fucking claims that hold no truth and have no facts behind them. That was the most outrageos, nieve, and insensitive thing I have ever heard. The U.S. gets hundreds of terrorist threats daily, so don't make statements that hold no truth. All in all your a complete fuckin idiot

 
I said the 9/11 attacks suited the govnernment just well. I didn't say they arranged it.

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^ it still is quite possible that they did... and if you had friends that died in it wouldn't you want to know the truth? even if it wasn't... wouldn't you be mad the us didn't shoot down the planes?

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its possible bush knew about it in extreme detail, because it might have been done by the saudi government. i'm not he did though. its just possible. think about it. could osama, a man with failing kidney's, hooked up to a dialysis machine, possibly carried out the attacks from a cave 10,000 miles away. seems a bit unlikely. but thats just a theory. might or might not be true.

disclaimer: these are just possible senarios that could have happened from the connections bush has with the saudis from various resources. don't go fucking nuts on me and saying that i'm lying.

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wow infernohits, you really have no place to go around calling people fucking idiots. maybe you should actually pay attention to what he said before you wet you pants.

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infernohits, don't let your anger impair you're ability to see all sides of the argument. thats what leads to unnessicary wars...

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Comon Bush-voters.... What do you think. (Other than 'It's bullshit'). YOu always say (Especially 'BigJ') you want a strong president, but why is that? Have you been affected by this whole scare?

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you know what,you so damn right Kotelet.The worst of all,Bush didn't really go after Bin Laden,he whent Directly to Saddam in Iraq.So do we call this peace or the world domination on oil?

I hate wars.

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Funny how all the Bush-voters suddenly decided NOT to join the debate. I take it they realize that the scenario is plausible and that their oppinions are just products of well thought propaganda. They are victims to the scare. They sit there, whatching the videos on the www.georgebush.com website constantly reminding them how scary it was on 9/11 an after, and how BIG, MEAN-president Bush was their master and commander and protected them from 'evil-doers'.

Well... It was aaaaal a setup. How do you feel about it now?

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have you guys read 1984?

fuck man, for all we know, noone have landed on the moon.

shortly after 9/11 we went to listen to this dude do a speach about the world today (he went around to a bunch of schools around ontario and maybe canada? i donno. don't remember his name, but he was a very knowledged man).

anyways, he was talking about the position the world is in right now and saying how in the situation the world is in, it is impossible to have another world war because the sides are too balanced and whatnot. I've been thinking about this the past few years and I'm almost starting to believe it.

Actually, I don't think the world is at that point yet. I still believe that in the future (near or far, who knows) the U.S. will fall... but I think in order for that to happen there would need to be a threat from this side of the ocean (on the Americas themselves). Canada and Mexico are not even close to powerful enough (yet - we'll see when there is a fresh water shortage in the world) to do anything in their current state.

And I'm sure Bush (and all the other American politicians - no mater who it is, they all want power) has got 'Manifest Destiny' in his brain.

but I would concider myself uneducated... fuck, i even stopped watching TV like 6 months ago... shit's useless. shows are shitty, and the news is all violence, lies and propaganda. so don't take me too seriously.

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Never fear Kotelet, here I am. I didn't think this theory needed to be confronted, but I give it a go just to keep you happy.

I personally do not use that 'Kerry cant protect us' bit. I make my judgments upon his own policies and his character.

How do willingly use a terrorist attack to scare America? Of course people will be scared of a foreign threat if one just killed 3,000 people. The theory stated is just grasping at thin air. Actually if you think about it, I doesn't seem plausible, at least in the way you presented it.

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WHy hello Quinny. Since you like well formulated arguments so much, Im now asking for yours....

Why is it not plausible?

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Thought you would never ask.

You do know that it cost the government money to step up extra security measures on a terror alert, what with using extra personnel, equipment, etc. Why would government piss away their own money to just scare their people? And even have some of them killed? I can't think of a logical reason. Of course our government reacted from terrorist attacks. The idea that we would just sit back and take it is inconceivable. Perfect excuse? It's a motive and incentive, not an excuse. That is why I think that theory is not the case. The government would needlessly be tossing money out the window if they actually orchestrated the entire thing, including terrorist attacks. We have no need for a 'strong' president? We really were attacked by a foreign group after all.

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quinny dude.

we 'aint saying that the US are doing terrorist attacks on their own soil and shit.

but they are using the threat of more terrorist attacks as a way of controling the nation. you said you can't see any reason as to why they would raise the terror warning (yes, costing the govt. money in the process) just to scare the general public.

POWER. sometimes money isn't everything. if you can keep fear in people they will believe anyting you say if it's about keeping them safe. you tell them that they might get hit by a terrorist attack, but that you are prepared for it ('see, the terror warning went up, we are aware there is a risk') so as long as you're in my hands, you are safe.

there has been no terrorist attacks on US soil directed at the general public since 9/11, yet almost every time anything goes on where there is a large mass of people, the govt. seams to start wispering terrorism to everyone... not screaming, but just never letting them forget that at any moment they could die from something, somehow... but don't worry - we put the terror warning up, so we're prepared, you're safe in our hands.

keeping control of the nation's minds is worth more than any amount of money could buy.

and you're saying the govt. would never spend money unwisely? that's kinda silly. almost everyday i'm hearing about the rediculous amounts of money spent by the govt. for silly things like 'lunch', 'haircuts', 'toilet seats', and whatever else they claim they're spending it on, when in reality - it's the govt. they can spend it on anything and we have the slightest clue.

Darryl Hunt

Jesus doesn't live here.
 
If the arabs wanted to they could LEGALLY and without bloodshed ruin the united states. Ruin to the point of probably civil war.

And there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Its just a matter of time

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Kotelet's words are in bold

It seems that a really popular argument for voting for George W. Bush nowadays is 'He's protecting America', 'Kerry is weak', 'Bush is defending America against terrorists' etc. etc.

All you people who have posted sentences like that in arguments FOR Bush. What are your main views on this theory put up by Moore?:

That the Bush-administration willingly USED 9/11 attacks to start a scare about terrorism in the US. To make people afraid of the foreign threat. There were a MILLION terror-warnings after the 9/11 attacks. But how many attacks REALLY occurred? Was that REALLY because Bush was defending the country, or maybe there wasn't any threat at all? The government kept the 'Terror-meter' at a high level to keep people afraid and scared of the eastern world.

This is Moore's hypocrisy shining brightest. He continuosly states that Bush knew about 9/11, Bush knew about 9/11, he should have warned us, blah blah blah. Bush creates a warning system and now all of a sudden Bush is using scare tactics. More uses both of these talking points in F 9/11 at different times. We live in a nation today that is aware. We should always keep our eyes open to suspicious activity and never have any doubts. If another 9/11 can be stopped by a terror warning it is worth it. Just imagine if Bush stopped the terror warning system and then we got attacked again, this time even worse. What would Michael Moore and all of the Americans say then? Everyone would be saying 'Bush did not warn us, he did not warn us.' But now everyone cries foul every time he issues a warning. Hypocritical in my book.

Michael Moore continuosly states that there is no terror threat. Tell that to the victims at the WTC in 1993, WTC on 9/11, The Pentagon, Flight 93, Beslam School # 6, the USS Cole, Australian Embassy in Jakrata, the passengers of the train in Spain, US Embassy in Africa, and the foreign workers that lived in the apartment building that was blown to shreds in Saudi Arabia a couple of years ago. I dare Michael Moore to tell those victims families that there is no terror threat. The terror threat is world wide, and their actions have proven that.

This was the means to keep people supporting the 'war-president'. Bush was the man who was going to protect America. And when he decided to attack Iraq, a huge part of the US 'blindly' chose to follow his lead and go to war. This was a plan that had been there from the beginning of the post 9/11 period. The 9/11 attacks were the PERFECT base for a later attack on Iraq.

Michael Moore fails tell both sides of the story. Iraq had been in violation of UN Sanctions for years. They consistently fired on patrol planes, violated human rights, among numerous other acts, many of which were vile and disgusting. Clinton took action on Iraq in 1996 but his actions were meager. Launching precision guided missles into Iraq over a course of 4 days in going to do nothing of any significane. Did Bush want Iraq before 9/11? Possibly. But does that make it unjust? While thats highly debatable as it can be seen in many other posts on this forum. However Michael Moore fails to acknowledge in his film that 35 other nations saw Iraq as a threat and decided to send over forces as well. Did they send as many troops? No. But their troops are fighting the same war we are, a war meant to bring down a vile and torturous regime. If anyone caught Michael Moore on Bill O'Reilly, I am sure you noticed how ignorant and arrogant Moore really is.

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35 other nations eh?

like equitorial guinae? or the mine clearing monkeys madagascar send?

you know why they joined the coalition of the willing (HAHAHA BUSH IS SUCH A FAG FOR SAYING THIS) is because they would have had their US aid packages revoked.

Graves. get it through your red white and fucken blue head. YOUR COUNTRY LIED TO YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE. IF IT WASENT FOR THE JEWS AND THE FAT ASS LAZY AND STUPID AMERICAN PROLITERIATE BUSH WOULD ON TRIAL FOR TREASON

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^heil hitler, sounds a lot like what hitler said about the jews before WW2, that everything was their fault, but at least he had fake propaganda to his credit, you just have random verbal assults. you fuckin disqust me

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mike_hunt10:

I like your power theory mike hunt. You are the president of the United States (or some major official in the government), how can you get more powerful then that. How do they gain power by scarring their own people? It might make their opposition hide behind them for protection, but more likely is that they will just become more skeptical. People do have the ability to think for themselves. And even if those already in power manager to get 'more powerful', it will still disappear when their term runs out. We don't live in a dictatorship you know. That theory is illogical. And there have been no further attacks on US soil because security was stepped up. Common sense. Also, mounting national security I imagine is a little more costly than these 'lunches, haircuts, toilet seats'. Your ideas make little sense.

LP:

And might I ask how could 'the Arabs' ruin us in a legal manner? Please explain you rational.

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actually it does make sense, because if they scare even more people and make them trust them enough, they will RE-ELECT them. which gives them and their party four more years of power, which is really all politics is about these days. and moore nor anyone else ever said they're is no terror threat you dumbfuck, they say that it is greatly exaggerated. why don't we have bush go to the families of the dead soldiers from iraq and explain to them what exactly they died for? and don't try to defend the terror code, you know it's worthless. no one cares that bush didn't tell us about 9/11 and what they knew before it happened, but that they didn't do all they could have to prevent it.

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