Prop 19
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andreweckels
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the rebuttal arguements are actually pretty damn convincing, it seems like the best way to do it would be to wait until next election and write out a good piece of legislastion.
and if it does pass how hard is it to fix the problems with the bill?
and if it does pass how hard is it to fix the problems with the bill?
Oh and hemp wasn't made illegal because it was a harmful drug, more the exact opposite. Don't see it happening.
hella.sick.skier
Member
i would either vote yes or no
geteducated
Active member
i might vote yes to knock down the allure of weed for hippies a peg or two. i might vote no because i hate people who take about weed all the time like its important and weed culture in general. i would also vote no because i like to see the world burn. i might also vote yes because it will take a chunk of the mexican cartels pie. i also might vote no because weed has created kids like this,
GayWolf420
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Really? Another thread on this topic?
You know little about weed and the land of the wooks.You don't know as much about the scene as you think you do.
andreweckels
Member
16 | Arguments Arguments printed on this page are the opinions of the authors and have not been checked for accuracy by any official agency.
LEGALIZES MARIJUANA UNDER CALIFORNIA BUT NOT FEDERAL LAW.
PERMITS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO REGULATE AND TAX COMMERCIAL
PRODUCTION, DISTRIBUTION, AND SALE OF MARIJUANA. INITIATIVE STATUTE.
PROP19 ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF PROPOSITION 19 REBUTTAL TO ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF PROPOSITION 19
As California public safety leaders, we agree that Proposition 19 is flawed public policy and would compromise the safety of our roadways, workplaces, and communities. Before voting on this proposition, please take a few minutes to read it.
Proponents claim, “Proposition 19 maintains strict criminal penalties for driving under the influence.” That statement is false. In fact, Proposition 19 gives drivers the “right” to use marijuana right up to the point when they climb behind the wheel, but unlike as with drunk driving, Proposition 19 fails to provide the Highway Patrol with any tests or objective standards for determining what constitutes “driving under the influence.’’ That’s why Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) strongly opposes Proposition 19.
Proponents claim Proposition 19 is “preserving the right of employers to maintain a drug-free workplace.” This is also false. According to the California Chamber of Commerce, the facts are that Proposition 19 creates special rights for employees to possess marijuana on the job, and that means no company in California can meet federal drug-free workplace standards, or qualify for federal contracts. The California State Firefighters Association warns this one drafting mistake alone could cost thousands of Californians to lose their jobs.
Again, contrary to what proponents say, the statewide organizations representing police, sheriffs and drug court judges are all urging you to vote “No” on Proposition 19. Passage of Proposition 19 seriously compromises the safety of our communities, roadways, and workplaces.
STEVE COOLEY, District Attorney Los Angeles County
KAMALA HARRIS, District Attorney San Francisco County
KEVIN NIDA, PresidentCalifornia State Firefighters Association
PROPOSITION 19: COMMON SENSE CONTROL OF MARIJUANA
Today, hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars are spent enforcing the failed prohibition of marijuana (also known as “cannabis”).
Currently, marijuana is easier for kids to get than alcohol, because dealers don’t require ID.
Prohibition has created a violent criminal market run by international drug cartels.
Police waste millions of taxpayer dollars targeting non-violent marijuana consumers, while thousands of violent crimes go unsolved.
And there is $14 billion in marijuana sales every year in California, but our debt-ridden state gets nothing from it.
Marijuana prohibition has failed.
WE NEED A COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO CONTROL AND TAX MARIJUANA LIKE ALCOHOL.
Proposition 19 was carefully written to get marijuana under control.
Under Proposition 19, only adults 21 and over can possess up to one ounce of marijuana, to be consumed at home or licensed establishments. Medical marijuana patients’ rights are preserved.
If we can control and tax alcohol, we can control and tax marijuana.
PUT STRICT SAFETY CONTROLS ON MARIJUANA
Proposition 19 maintains strict criminal penalties for driving under the influence, increases penalties for providing marijuana to minors, and bans smoking it in public, on school grounds, and around minors.
Proposition 19 keeps workplaces safe, by preserving the right of employers to maintain a drug-free workplace.
PUT POLICE PRIORITIES WHERE THEY BELONG
According to the FBI, in 2008 over 61,000 Californians were arrested for misdemeanor marijuana possession, while 60,000 violent crimes went unsolved. By ending arrests of non-violent marijuana consumers, police will save hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars a year, and be able to focus on the real threat: violent crime.
Police, Sheriffs, and Judges support Proposition 19.
HELP FIGHT THE DRUG CARTELS
Marijuana prohibition has created vicious drug cartels across our border. In 2008 alone, cartels murdered 6,290 civilians in Mexico—more than all U.S. troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
60 percent of drug cartel revenue comes from the illegal U.S. marijuana market.
By controlling marijuana, Proposition 19 will help cut off funding to the cartels.
GENERATE BILLIONS IN REVENUE TO FUND WHAT MATTERS
California faces historic deficits, which, if state government doesn’t balance the budget, could lead to higher taxes and fees for the public, and more cuts to vital services. Meanwhile, there is $14 billion in marijuana transactions every year in California, but we see none of the revenue that would come from taxing it.
Proposition 19 enables state and local governments to tax marijuana, so we can preserve vital services.
The State’s tax collector, the Board of Equalization, says taxing marijuana would generate $1.4 billion in annual revenue, which could fund jobs, healthcare, public safety, parks, roads, transportation, and more.
LET’S REFORM CALIFORNIA’S MARIJUANA LAWS
Outlawing marijuana hasn’t stopped 100 million Americans from trying it. But we can control it, make it harder for kids to get, weaken the cartels, focus police resources on violent crime, and generate billions in revenue and savings.
We need a common sense approach to control marijuana.
YES on 19.
www.taxcannabis.org
JOSEPH D. McNAMARA, San Jose Police Chief (Ret.)
JAMES P. GRAY, Orange County Superior Court Judge (Ret.)
STEPHEN DOWNING, Deputy Chief (Ret.)Los Angeles Police Department
Arguments printed on this page are the opinions of the authors and have not been checked for accuracy by any official agency.
Arguments | 17 ARGUMENT AGAINST PROPOSITION 19 REBUTTAL TO ARGUMENT AGAINST PROPOSITION 19
LEGALIZES MARIJUANA UNDER CALIFORNIA BUT NOT FEDERAL LAW.
PERMITS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO REGULATE AND TAX COMMERCIAL
PRODUCTION, DISTRIBUTION, AND SALE OF MARIJUANA. INITIATIVE STATUTE.
PROP19
Even if you support legalization of recreational marijuana, you should vote “No” on Proposition 19.
Why? Because the authors made several huge mistakes in writing this initiative which will have severe, unintended consequences.
For example, Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) strongly opposes Proposition 19 because it will prevent bus and trucking companies from requiring their drivers to be drug-free. Companies won’t be able to take action against a “stoned” driver until after he or she has a wreck, not before.
School districts may currently require school bus drivers to be drug-free, but if Proposition 19 passes, their hands will be tied—until after tragedy strikes. A school bus driver would be forbidden to smoke marijuana on schools grounds or while actually behind the wheel, but could arrive for work with marijuana in his or her system.
Public school superintendent John Snavely, Ed.D. warns that Proposition 19 could cost our K–12 schools as much as $9.4 billion in lost federal funding. Another error could potentially cost schools hundreds of millions of dollars in federal grants for our colleges and universities. Our schools have already experienced severe budget cuts due to the state budget crisis.
The California Chamber of Commerce found that “if passed, this initiative could result in employers losing public contracts and grants because they could no longer effectively enforce the drug-free workplace requirements outlined by the federal government.”
Employers who permit employees to sell cosmetics or school candy bars to co-workers in the office, may now also be required to allow any employee with a “license” to sell marijuana in the office.
Under current law, if a worker shows up smelling of alcohol or marijuana, an employer may remove the employee from a dangerous or sensitive job, such as running medical lab tests in a hospital, or operating heavy equipment. But if Proposition 19 passes, the worker with marijuana in his or her system may not be removed from the job until after an accident occurs.
The California Police Chiefs Association opposes Proposition 19 because proponents “forgot” to include a standard for what constitutes “driving under the influence.” Under Proposition 19, a driver may legally drive even if a blood test shows they have marijuana in their system.
Gubernatorial candidates Republican Meg Whitman and Democrat Jerry Brown have both studied Proposition 19 and are urging all Californians to vote “No,” as are Democratic and Republican candidates for Attorney General, Kamala Harris and Steve Cooley.
Don’t be fooled. The proponents are hoping you will think Proposition 19 is about “medical” marijuana. It is not. Proposition 19 makes no changes either way in the medical marijuana laws.
Proposition 19 is simply a jumbled legal nightmare that will make our highways, our workplaces and our communities less safe. We strongly urge you to vote “No” on Prop. 19.
DIANNE FEINSTEIN, United States Senator
LAURA DEAN-MOONEY, National PresidentMothers Against Drunk Driving
THE CHOICE IS CLEAR: REAL CONTROL OF MARIJUANA, OR MORE OF THE SAME
Let’s be honest. Our marijuana laws have failed. Rather than accepting things as they are, we can control marijuana.
Like the prohibition of alcohol in the past, outlawing marijuana hasn’t worked. It’s created a criminal market run by violent drug cartels, wasted police resources, and drained our state and local budgets. Proposition 19 is a more honest policy, and a common sense solution to these problems. Proposition 19 will control marijuana like alcohol, making it available only to adults, enforce strong driving and workplace safety laws, put police priorities where they belong, and generate billions in needed revenue.
THE CHOICE IS CLEAR: REAL CONTROL OF MARIJUANA, OR MORE OF THE SAME
We can make it harder for kids to get marijuana, or we can accept the status quo, where marijuana is easier for kids to get than alcohol.
We can let police prevent violent crime, or we can accept the status quo, and keep wasting resources sending tens of thousands of non-violent marijuana consumers—a disproportionate number who are minorities—to jail.
We can control marijuana to weaken the drug cartels, or we can accept the status quo, and continue to fund violent gangs with illegal marijuana sales in California.
We can tax marijuana to generate billions for vital services, or we can accept the status quo, and turn our backs on this needed revenue.
THE CHOICE IS CLEAR
Vote Yes on 19.
JOYCELYN ELDERS, United States Surgeon General (Ret.)
ALICE A. HUFFMAN, PresidentCalifornia NAACP
DAVID DODDRIDGE, Narcotics Detective (Ret.)Los Angeles Police Department
LEGALIZES MARIJUANA UNDER CALIFORNIA BUT NOT FEDERAL LAW.
PERMITS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO REGULATE AND TAX COMMERCIAL
PRODUCTION, DISTRIBUTION, AND SALE OF MARIJUANA. INITIATIVE STATUTE.
PROP19 ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF PROPOSITION 19 REBUTTAL TO ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF PROPOSITION 19
As California public safety leaders, we agree that Proposition 19 is flawed public policy and would compromise the safety of our roadways, workplaces, and communities. Before voting on this proposition, please take a few minutes to read it.
Proponents claim, “Proposition 19 maintains strict criminal penalties for driving under the influence.” That statement is false. In fact, Proposition 19 gives drivers the “right” to use marijuana right up to the point when they climb behind the wheel, but unlike as with drunk driving, Proposition 19 fails to provide the Highway Patrol with any tests or objective standards for determining what constitutes “driving under the influence.’’ That’s why Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) strongly opposes Proposition 19.
Proponents claim Proposition 19 is “preserving the right of employers to maintain a drug-free workplace.” This is also false. According to the California Chamber of Commerce, the facts are that Proposition 19 creates special rights for employees to possess marijuana on the job, and that means no company in California can meet federal drug-free workplace standards, or qualify for federal contracts. The California State Firefighters Association warns this one drafting mistake alone could cost thousands of Californians to lose their jobs.
Again, contrary to what proponents say, the statewide organizations representing police, sheriffs and drug court judges are all urging you to vote “No” on Proposition 19. Passage of Proposition 19 seriously compromises the safety of our communities, roadways, and workplaces.
STEVE COOLEY, District Attorney Los Angeles County
KAMALA HARRIS, District Attorney San Francisco County
KEVIN NIDA, PresidentCalifornia State Firefighters Association
PROPOSITION 19: COMMON SENSE CONTROL OF MARIJUANA
Today, hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars are spent enforcing the failed prohibition of marijuana (also known as “cannabis”).
Currently, marijuana is easier for kids to get than alcohol, because dealers don’t require ID.
Prohibition has created a violent criminal market run by international drug cartels.
Police waste millions of taxpayer dollars targeting non-violent marijuana consumers, while thousands of violent crimes go unsolved.
And there is $14 billion in marijuana sales every year in California, but our debt-ridden state gets nothing from it.
Marijuana prohibition has failed.
WE NEED A COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO CONTROL AND TAX MARIJUANA LIKE ALCOHOL.
Proposition 19 was carefully written to get marijuana under control.
Under Proposition 19, only adults 21 and over can possess up to one ounce of marijuana, to be consumed at home or licensed establishments. Medical marijuana patients’ rights are preserved.
If we can control and tax alcohol, we can control and tax marijuana.
PUT STRICT SAFETY CONTROLS ON MARIJUANA
Proposition 19 maintains strict criminal penalties for driving under the influence, increases penalties for providing marijuana to minors, and bans smoking it in public, on school grounds, and around minors.
Proposition 19 keeps workplaces safe, by preserving the right of employers to maintain a drug-free workplace.
PUT POLICE PRIORITIES WHERE THEY BELONG
According to the FBI, in 2008 over 61,000 Californians were arrested for misdemeanor marijuana possession, while 60,000 violent crimes went unsolved. By ending arrests of non-violent marijuana consumers, police will save hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars a year, and be able to focus on the real threat: violent crime.
Police, Sheriffs, and Judges support Proposition 19.
HELP FIGHT THE DRUG CARTELS
Marijuana prohibition has created vicious drug cartels across our border. In 2008 alone, cartels murdered 6,290 civilians in Mexico—more than all U.S. troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
60 percent of drug cartel revenue comes from the illegal U.S. marijuana market.
By controlling marijuana, Proposition 19 will help cut off funding to the cartels.
GENERATE BILLIONS IN REVENUE TO FUND WHAT MATTERS
California faces historic deficits, which, if state government doesn’t balance the budget, could lead to higher taxes and fees for the public, and more cuts to vital services. Meanwhile, there is $14 billion in marijuana transactions every year in California, but we see none of the revenue that would come from taxing it.
Proposition 19 enables state and local governments to tax marijuana, so we can preserve vital services.
The State’s tax collector, the Board of Equalization, says taxing marijuana would generate $1.4 billion in annual revenue, which could fund jobs, healthcare, public safety, parks, roads, transportation, and more.
LET’S REFORM CALIFORNIA’S MARIJUANA LAWS
Outlawing marijuana hasn’t stopped 100 million Americans from trying it. But we can control it, make it harder for kids to get, weaken the cartels, focus police resources on violent crime, and generate billions in revenue and savings.
We need a common sense approach to control marijuana.
YES on 19.
www.taxcannabis.org
JOSEPH D. McNAMARA, San Jose Police Chief (Ret.)
JAMES P. GRAY, Orange County Superior Court Judge (Ret.)
STEPHEN DOWNING, Deputy Chief (Ret.)Los Angeles Police Department
Arguments printed on this page are the opinions of the authors and have not been checked for accuracy by any official agency.
Arguments | 17 ARGUMENT AGAINST PROPOSITION 19 REBUTTAL TO ARGUMENT AGAINST PROPOSITION 19
LEGALIZES MARIJUANA UNDER CALIFORNIA BUT NOT FEDERAL LAW.
PERMITS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO REGULATE AND TAX COMMERCIAL
PRODUCTION, DISTRIBUTION, AND SALE OF MARIJUANA. INITIATIVE STATUTE.
PROP19
Even if you support legalization of recreational marijuana, you should vote “No” on Proposition 19.
Why? Because the authors made several huge mistakes in writing this initiative which will have severe, unintended consequences.
For example, Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) strongly opposes Proposition 19 because it will prevent bus and trucking companies from requiring their drivers to be drug-free. Companies won’t be able to take action against a “stoned” driver until after he or she has a wreck, not before.
School districts may currently require school bus drivers to be drug-free, but if Proposition 19 passes, their hands will be tied—until after tragedy strikes. A school bus driver would be forbidden to smoke marijuana on schools grounds or while actually behind the wheel, but could arrive for work with marijuana in his or her system.
Public school superintendent John Snavely, Ed.D. warns that Proposition 19 could cost our K–12 schools as much as $9.4 billion in lost federal funding. Another error could potentially cost schools hundreds of millions of dollars in federal grants for our colleges and universities. Our schools have already experienced severe budget cuts due to the state budget crisis.
The California Chamber of Commerce found that “if passed, this initiative could result in employers losing public contracts and grants because they could no longer effectively enforce the drug-free workplace requirements outlined by the federal government.”
Employers who permit employees to sell cosmetics or school candy bars to co-workers in the office, may now also be required to allow any employee with a “license” to sell marijuana in the office.
Under current law, if a worker shows up smelling of alcohol or marijuana, an employer may remove the employee from a dangerous or sensitive job, such as running medical lab tests in a hospital, or operating heavy equipment. But if Proposition 19 passes, the worker with marijuana in his or her system may not be removed from the job until after an accident occurs.
The California Police Chiefs Association opposes Proposition 19 because proponents “forgot” to include a standard for what constitutes “driving under the influence.” Under Proposition 19, a driver may legally drive even if a blood test shows they have marijuana in their system.
Gubernatorial candidates Republican Meg Whitman and Democrat Jerry Brown have both studied Proposition 19 and are urging all Californians to vote “No,” as are Democratic and Republican candidates for Attorney General, Kamala Harris and Steve Cooley.
Don’t be fooled. The proponents are hoping you will think Proposition 19 is about “medical” marijuana. It is not. Proposition 19 makes no changes either way in the medical marijuana laws.
Proposition 19 is simply a jumbled legal nightmare that will make our highways, our workplaces and our communities less safe. We strongly urge you to vote “No” on Prop. 19.
DIANNE FEINSTEIN, United States Senator
LAURA DEAN-MOONEY, National PresidentMothers Against Drunk Driving
THE CHOICE IS CLEAR: REAL CONTROL OF MARIJUANA, OR MORE OF THE SAME
Let’s be honest. Our marijuana laws have failed. Rather than accepting things as they are, we can control marijuana.
Like the prohibition of alcohol in the past, outlawing marijuana hasn’t worked. It’s created a criminal market run by violent drug cartels, wasted police resources, and drained our state and local budgets. Proposition 19 is a more honest policy, and a common sense solution to these problems. Proposition 19 will control marijuana like alcohol, making it available only to adults, enforce strong driving and workplace safety laws, put police priorities where they belong, and generate billions in needed revenue.
THE CHOICE IS CLEAR: REAL CONTROL OF MARIJUANA, OR MORE OF THE SAME
We can make it harder for kids to get marijuana, or we can accept the status quo, where marijuana is easier for kids to get than alcohol.
We can let police prevent violent crime, or we can accept the status quo, and keep wasting resources sending tens of thousands of non-violent marijuana consumers—a disproportionate number who are minorities—to jail.
We can control marijuana to weaken the drug cartels, or we can accept the status quo, and continue to fund violent gangs with illegal marijuana sales in California.
We can tax marijuana to generate billions for vital services, or we can accept the status quo, and turn our backs on this needed revenue.
THE CHOICE IS CLEAR
Vote Yes on 19.
JOYCELYN ELDERS, United States Surgeon General (Ret.)
ALICE A. HUFFMAN, PresidentCalifornia NAACP
DAVID DODDRIDGE, Narcotics Detective (Ret.)Los Angeles Police Department
geteducated
Active member
i don't care.
Travapple.
Active member
this is like the tenth thread on this. use the searchbar.
andreweckels
Member
i did and all that came up was stuff about prop 8. the thing i wanted to point out was the voters guide, and the arguments that each side is making
Benhamine
Active member
If I were a voter in Cali I would vote No. Weed is already pretty much legal there. There are dispensaries every 5 miles what the hell is prop 19 gonna do for you? Throw another 50 bones on every ounce you buy. I guess thats cool if its legal but whatever its not like the cops are real douches about it there. I found it to be really chill.
bermbuster49
Active member
ignorance is bliss, i was once just like you. then i ripped a bong and realized its all a bunch of lies. idk what they are gonna do about driving under the influence, honestly i think they make it a bigger deal than it is. i doubt a school bus driver will smoke a blunt right before work
RubberSoul
Active member
look guy everyone, stoners included, hate the kids who do it to be cool or badass. mentally graduate high school please. cartels, good call. that kid in the picture? he'd be like that without pot. hilarious how much stuff people blame on grass (smokers and non-smokers alike). it's like the most mild drug on the planet. i don't blame the drink you have when you get home for making you a douche bag do i?
geteducated
Active member
stfu about weed. stfu about 420. weed is a pussy drug. no one cares to hear about how much weed you can smoke in a week. it amazes me when i can hear people have long conversations about how high they got from smoking it. you're the one still mentally in highschool. talking about it like its still your first time.
TheButterHashira
Active member
My 9th grade bus driver did...errday. Mr russel was the man.
Big_Spence
Active member
this is the second thread on this in two days.
RubberSoul
Active member
uhhh you just agreed with me on..just about every point. i hate when kids talk about it nonstop, i hate when people think theyre cool cause they smoke, etc etc. i never have conversations about it except "who can we grab a bag from?"
weed is no big deal. which is why it should be legal and we can stop fucking people over for using it.
also "youre the one still mentally in high school" nice comeback!! no u!
weed is no big deal. which is why it should be legal and we can stop fucking people over for using it.
also "youre the one still mentally in high school" nice comeback!! no u!
Big_Spence
Active member
all dealers*
geteducated
Active member
really? they are going to legalize it for the sole purpose of taxing it and you think that they are going to allow the independents to still exist where they can offer a tax free product? those dealers will be likened to the people that sell native cigarettes. give your head a shake. you think of the word legalize too literally. this is the government we're talking about.
RubberSoul
Active member
i havent really done any research on it cause i couldnt possibly care less about selling pot and 99% of the dealers ive met in my life have been losers, but i remember reading something about a tax through stamps basically, you have to buy stamps for selling bags and if youre caught without them its illegal? i dont know i forget
geteducated
Active member
yes, that is the method they use with native smokes. tax stamps.
RubberSoul
Active member
someone fill me in.. the dispensaries that are open now, what percent tax do they pay?
chardi
Active member
whether the bill passes will have nothing to do with the smokers of california and their wishes. its based on whether california will benefit from the legalization of it.
but i don't live there and i don't really care about that, but if it is legalized, unless there is some huge tax on it, it would be so much cheaper.
but i don't live there and i don't really care about that, but if it is legalized, unless there is some huge tax on it, it would be so much cheaper.
Big_Spence
Active member
in Oakland it's $18 out of every $1000 of gross profit.
"Under the measure, the four clubs allowed to operate in the city now must pay $18 for every $1,000 in gross sales instead of $1.20, the rate applied to other retail businesses.
Based on sales of nearly $28 million, Oakland city auditor Courtney Ruby expects the city to reap more than $500,000 in pot tax revenue this year.
This November, Oakland voters will be asked to consider raising that rate to $50 for every $1,000 in sales. Under the proposed new rate, the city's revenue would rise to nearly $1.4 million -- still a small chunk of the $31 million deficit."
http://cbs13.com/californiapolitics/california.marijuana.tax.2.1977080.html
"Under the measure, the four clubs allowed to operate in the city now must pay $18 for every $1,000 in gross sales instead of $1.20, the rate applied to other retail businesses.
Based on sales of nearly $28 million, Oakland city auditor Courtney Ruby expects the city to reap more than $500,000 in pot tax revenue this year.
This November, Oakland voters will be asked to consider raising that rate to $50 for every $1,000 in sales. Under the proposed new rate, the city's revenue would rise to nearly $1.4 million -- still a small chunk of the $31 million deficit."
http://cbs13.com/californiapolitics/california.marijuana.tax.2.1977080.html
RubberSoul
Active member
thanks. 1.8%? not bad..
Big_Spence
Active member
ha but they're trying to raise it to 5%.
which still in the grand scheme of things isn't much, but comparatively it's a fortune.
which still in the grand scheme of things isn't much, but comparatively it's a fortune.
It's funny with a name like get educated, you always sound so ignorant.
geteducated
Active member
ignorant is a subjective word when you encounter a person that disagrees with your opinion. want to toss it around a bit more?
Benhamine
Active member
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6668
The whole idea of the marijuana tax stamp doesnt make sense. Your incriminating yourself when you try and purchase the stamps and if you dont have any when you get busted its another charge they can throw on. Pretty nifty law work there,
The whole idea of the marijuana tax stamp doesnt make sense. Your incriminating yourself when you try and purchase the stamps and if you dont have any when you get busted its another charge they can throw on. Pretty nifty law work there,
