"Pro Choice" is stupid as hell, and Democrats suck at arguing.

you would rather have a baby than an abortion but you can't expect every woman you have sex with to feel the same way, unless you've talked about it beforehand, and even then, she's allowed to change her mind, same as you. i think, if you found yourself in the situation of an accidental pregnancy, and knew that you or your partner were unfit to be parents (as i have personally experienced), for whatever reason, you'd be happy to have the option of giving the baby up for adoption (something that was not always an option), or, if you weren't a pro-lifer, abortion. being "prepared" to have a baby includes so much more than saying "i want to have a baby," especially after an accidental pregnancy. i use the precautions available to me (i think it's stupid not to, since i don't want and am not in any way fit to have a child) but they don't always work (seriously, that 99% statistic on the condom box has to be a fallacy) and i'm much better prepared to have an abortion than a baby. there are at least two sides to every situation and the law (or lack thereof, in my case) has to accommodate for both. pierre trudeau said the state has no business in my bedroom, and i agree. why any american (the most conservative people on earth) would disagree is strangely ironical.
 
Knocked up on accident?? The fuck does that mean??

If drunk- Fuck yea she does. Just like if I got drunk, drove and killed a family on the side of a road. I wouldnt be arguing "It was my choice to get drunk and drive so everyone has to deal with it now, government shouldn't prevent me from having the choice!!! "

When I was arrested this summer for trespass (for being on a schools roof), sure I was pissed, but not at the school or police. It was my decision to break the law and I suffered.

Cant handle drinking and the consequences that come with poor decision making? then dont.

Cant handle the act of reproduction without taking the proper actions to prevent a pregnancy? Then dont.

Make smart decisions in life, because when you have an abortion you end a life that had nothing to do with your stupidity.

 
Meh, I don't like abortions, and am morally against it. However, I think that socially, it is a necessity.

My whole issue is that I can understand how many people view it as homicide. As we move to a national healthcare system, the issue of the morality of abortion becomes even more prevalent. As soon as tax dollars start being used to fund abortions, you are taking people's money, and using it to pay for, in their eyes, murder. That is where I see as the next big issue in the abortion debate. I, for one, will not endorse spending tax payers money on abortion, as long as a sizable minority of people view it as homicide.

 
I disagree but you'll never agree with me on what I already said.

Now let's talk about the third victim in the situation. The baby. So now you're also saying that the child, who had no choice as to whether his not-ready parents fucked, now has to grow up in what will probably be a bad environment in various ways and possibly turn to a life of crime?
 
For every family that wants to adopt a baby there's a coat hanger fetus stewing in the sewers to make them cry. Abortions: 1 Adoptive families: 0
 
Adoption is a very viable option (I guess). But it seems that the number of children in adoption facilities far exceeds the number of "caring" (or perhaps negligent) families seeking children. No matter what, I'm sure it would always be that way as more and more people are born every day.
 
What do you think most women would say to this? Having and giving the baby away can be a very traumatic experience in itself, and many women don't want to go through that. These women lose a lot of money having babies too. Ever hear of opportunity cost? Once again, it may seem immoral to you, but it isn't to someone else, and whoever that someone else is should be able to make that decision about hteir own body.
 
Things are illegal because they either harm someone, or infringe on their rights.

Murder is killing ANOTHER person

Slavery takes the rights and kills OTHER people

Rape is an act done to ANOTHER person

Stealing* is illegal because you are hurting SOMEONE ELSE's business

Abortion is a personal choice a woman is making with her own body, a body she can do with whatever the hell she wants to it as long as it doesn't involve hurting someone else/taking away their rights.

 
So giving it to a loving family is traumatic but killing it is no big deal?

And no, it shouldnt be someones decision, because its ending a life. Just because I think i deserve to make a choice doesnt mean I do. If someone wants to walk into your room at night a put a bullet through your brain do you still think they deserve a choice.

BUTTT of course, that brings the argument full circle, cause now were talking about what is "life" and what isnt. So yea, theres that.
 
as someone who has had abortions, i will tell you it's not something even someone as "carnal" as myself easily forgets. i wouldn't say it's traumatized me in the least bit, but it's not like i don't wonder sometimes what life would be like if i didn't. but having a baby is a big motherfucking deal, a way bigger deal than having an abortion. that's 9 months of carrying the thing around, then a bunch of excruciating pain getting it out, then finding a suitable adoptive family, then knowing you have a kid out there who will grow up knowing that you're out there not looking after it. abortions are easier on the mind and body, by far, i don't care if you disagree because you're wrong.
 
preventing a life from beginning*

Also, when that guy shoots me, he isn't changing his own body. He could shoot himself if he wants, and I think that should be legal too.
 
i would disagree. if a family is willing to pay for an adoption like that, odds are that are from a stable family or really want a kid and they want to take care of him/her
 
i am well aware of that, my family has been through an adoption service, but we were just talking about the cost.
 
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Sound like the words of defeat to me. Thats the most ignorant way to end a discussion.
 
your picture of a baby doesn't change the fact that abortions are easier on the mind and body than adoptions.
 
Hey man, I don't want to gang up on you.. but there was a whole lot more to his post than his opinion of disagreeing people being automatically wrong.
 
Why do liberals think that if you kill a deer you're a horrible eco-hateful jerk, but if you kill a baby you've done the right thing?
 
THAT LOOKS SO TASTY. What's the best serving size for someone eating for two?

totally had no intentions of being all over this thread like this.
 
He has chose to dismiss my argument and I have no reason to try and further discuss it.

But Id like to mention I love your username
 
Yea fetuses arn't babies. and any liberal who thinks killing and eating deer is eco unfriendly is stupid. Eating cow that was corn fed is a hundred times worse on the envirnment then killing a deer in the wild. That cow takes up ten times more calories in corn then it does give back to us it is udderly ridiculous.
 
Perhaps I should have actually read the thread then. Carry on :)

And thankee sai. If I spent less money on it, maybe I could have gotten a new pair of skis.. or something...
 
Yeah bro, and if the condom breaks, the pregnancy risks the life of the mother or if the girl is raped, tough luck. Your body now belongs to the government.

Nice logic there, bro. Not to dismiss tens of thousands of people or anything...
 
Idk, I've heard that having an abortion can be a pretty bad emotional experience, and a lot of people who have them deeply regret it years later.
 
Don't think what you did there will go unnoticed. But the calorie argument is actually the same for deer as well. However, by no means do I think that mass produced beef is any way good. Grass fed beef is what we should all be eating (if you choose to eat beef, that is). And eating a deer that you have shot and killed is a pretty awesome feeling, It's like some kind of unseen spice that has been added to the meat.
 
I know that but what i was saying is deer get nuitrients from the forest not corn fields. An acre of trees is better than an acre of corn was my argument.
 
I see I see. As I said before, go with grass fed beef if you're going to eat store bought beef. Chances are you can even find it from a local farmer and support them. It also tastes exponentially better.
 
My dad traded some shit for like 50lbs of grass fed beef, all different cuts, cooked it in burgers, steaks, spaghetti, it all tasted like complete shit..
 
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