"Pro Choice" is stupid as hell, and Democrats suck at arguing.

I'm at the point where I could financially have a kid. If the father wanted to be a father, I'd be more inclined to not abort. If he was like, "no way." I'd probably abort. I don't want to raise a kid with out a dad.
 
That's only so those Asians can kill off the girls without having to wait until they are born and leaving them in the middle of the street..
 
OP, you got it wrong. I'm certainly not pro-death. I'm pro choice. I am in favor of giving women (and their partners, if they are in the picture) the CHOICE of what they want to do, be it an abortion, adoption, or keeping the baby. I truly believe that is fair and not morally wrong. It does not mean that if I were to accidentally get pregnant that I'd happily skip off to the abortion clinic right away. I only want an abortion to be a legitimate, legal option if I felt it was the best way to go for me personally. Maybe I'd end up having the baby, maybe I wouldn't. I have no idea. I don't think anyone can say for sure what they'd do unless they've actually been forced sit down, think about it, and choose - and then live with their decision. It's pretty damn heavy. Therefore, how can I judge someone for having an abortion (or not) if I don't even know what I would have done in her shoes?

Another thing. I have nothing against people who are pro life. Just as I believe a woman deserves the right to decide whether or not to keep her baby, I think people deserve to have their own opinions on whether or not abortions are morally wrong. Personally, I don't see it as all that unethical, and could be the best way to go in some circumstances for reasons that I don't feel like typing out. I'm sure that's all been pretty covered in this thread already anyway. But if you believe differently, that's fine and I can respect that. Even though I don't agree, I'm not stupid and I can certainly understand the argument that pro lifers make. However, it's when people start jumping down my throat and saying I'm "pro death" or Satan or whatever that I get annoyed.
 
fuckin' right!!!!!! Women have the right to do whatever they want to there body and trying to stop them is wrong.
 
"the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation." - pierre trudeau

"The right to liberty... guarantees a degree of personal autonomy over important decisions intimately affecting his or her private life. ... The decision whether or not to terminate a pregnancy is essentially a moral decision and in a free and democratic society, the conscience of the individual must be paramount to that of the state." - the supreme court of canada

abortion laws in canada resulted in women being unable to get abortions in a timely/affordable/legal manner, that's why we have no laws governing the subject, because the laws resulted in illegal abortions that often resulted in fatalities (of the women concerned). if you want an abortion, you can get one. if you don't want an abortion, you don't get one. simple as that. why anyone has a problem with that is beyond me.

while the state has an interest in protecting the fetus "at some point", this interest cannot override that of the pregnant woman because: "the right to security of the person of a pregnant woman was infringed more than was required to achieve the objective of protecting the fetus, and the means were not reasonable."

women have more rights than fetus' in canada, and you think that's "retarded."
 
Wether someone lives or dies is a moral decision? Moral implies right and wrong, murder was wrong last i checked. In Canada you can walk into an abortion clinic 2 days before your due and have the baby terminated, Thats not murder to you?
 
not to me, nope. in my mind, you have to be born before you can be murdered. clearly some people disagree, i don't care. the number of women who get abortions in canada has been on a steady decline since at least 1998, so obviously there are more and more women who want to have babies, despite having the option to abort. if you want to have a baby, as a man, you have to find a woman who wants to have a baby with you. again, simple as that, it's not that fucking hard. it shouldn't be an issue, and that's why, in canada, it's not.
 
It is an issue in Canada, every day 300 kids loose their chance at life. You dont consider babies people until there born? So if a baby is premature is he not human till his due date? You've got to be joking if you dont think a 9 month fetus is a person.
 
oh man 300 kids whose parents didn't want them weren't born, cry me a river. those 300 kids would have had parents who didn't want them, i'm sure they would have had amazing childhoods. if you can't find a consenting woman to have a baby with you, then you're either not trying, or you're not fit to have a baby. deal with it. an extra 300 unwanted children and an extra 600 bad parents is not what the world needs right now.
 
what are you even talking about? No one said anything about not being able to have kids with anyone. Even though in Canada fathers have no rights, so if your wife decides she doesnt want the baby it doesnt matter she can still abort it. Not to mention that 90% of downs syndrome babies are aborted only because they are downs. That is totally against the rights of the baby,
 
I don't think that abortions are right from a moral standpoint. I just don't believe it's the government's job to interfere with a woman's choice to do so. Same goes for "illegal" drugs, although I do not use them, I would still fight for a person's right to use them without penalty from the law. Sorry if I offended you. You are over the age of 18, so what I said before didn't even apply to you. I just get sick and tired of little keyboard jockeys on here who take the words out of their parents mouths and paste them on here without giving a reasonably logical assessment of the situation at hand.
 
you're not a father until you have a child, and you don't have a child until it is born. "fathers have no rights" go fuck yourself, you're stupid as shit, fathers have rights once they become fathers, not before. go beat some more women, vince, if you hit them hard enough they might submit to being impregnated by your dumb ass. i'm so done with you, please get the fuck out of my country.
 
What rights? The fetus is not a citizen; therefore, it shouldn't have rights. If we can let the government get involved in abortion, next think you know they'll be involved even further and make drinking while pregnant illegal, driving while pregnant illegal, and eating "unhealthy" while pregnant illegal.
 
Ill never leave. And to the kid above you the same could be said about gun laws. if we let the gov't make gun laws then next theyll make knives illegal and after that they'll make baseball bats and anything else you can kill someone with illegal. Should mothers who have complications in pregnancy be called murders? No of course not they didnt choose to have the complication, you choose to go get your baby aborted.
 
No worries at all. I get it. It's just I see so many people on this website who bash Conservatives and Christians because they think every single one believes the same exact thing.
 
Where did you get the idea that I support gun laws? I don't.... Yes, the same could be said about that, very good. Did she choose to get raped? No, she didn't, why should she have to live with all of that pain and then put through the pain of child birth on top of it?

Also, with overpopulation soon to be a serious problem in the world during our generation, why is making abortion illegal even an issue?
 
Fer the record i dont support gun laws either. But anyway just because that child was conceived by rape why should it have to pay with its life? It didnt choose to be conceived via rape. And besides abortions because of rape account for less than 1 percent of abortions in Canada.
 
You are clearly confusing life with "potential" or "possible" life, if you even want to go that far. A fetus is not a life. You are not ending a life with an abortion. The fetus has no fucking idea it was even conceived, so to say you are denying it anything is completely asinine. If your mother had aborted you, you would have no idea, I would have no idea, and your worthless existence would be nothing more than a figment of some schizophrenic hillbilly's imagination.
 
I wish I was allowed to kill anyone who's existence would cause me economic or emotional grief...

As long as you realize that you are killing a child, go ahead. I don't like it, but it is a necessary evil, just like war. Cept I love war.

Zimmerman's existence is, in it self, a damn good argument for subsidizing more birth control.
 
You aren't killing a child anymore than you are killing an adult.. I hate it when people say "you're killing a baby" or "killing a child," you're aborting an unfeeling unthinking sack of cells.. quit fast forwarding their fucking life process or you might as well say "you're killing a husband or a grandmother"
 
the only reason to even argue about this is that you can't find someone to have your baby, in which case instead of arguing you should just take a good look at yourself and think "why doesn't anyone want to have babies with me?" and there's a good chance the reason has something to do with the fact that you can't even comprehend the difference between an unborn fetus and a person who has exited their mother's womb, and that you actually seriously believe a fetus should have more rights than the woman who carries it around in her belly, in which case you're fucking nuts and have no business being anybody's parent, let alone being allowed to stick your penis inside someone's vagina (or vice versa), and instead of blaming someone else for your faults you should work on educating yourself about exactly what it takes to be a responsible parent (which, first and foremost, includes finding another responsible ADULT who WANTS to have your baby). you simply cannot just go around forcing people to have your kid and then take care of it for the rest of their lives, that is just sick. seriously, sick. twisted. disgusting. evil. what the fuck is wrong with you.
 
Dude from a strictly biological point of view cells are in fact living (and i know you know this)... Not sure how your classifying life and living, if by life you mean conscious thought then okay that's a weird way of looking at things. That being said I am pro choice just because I believe if you are even considering an abortion the fact of the matter is that child's life is most likely going to be miserable, and in the process make your own lives miserable. That's how I rationalize it, it's for the greater good as shitty as that sounds.
 
It takes two to tango, unless you are raping someone you aren't forcing them to have sex with you.. then when they get pregnant you are both equally at fault.. what the fuck are you talking about forcing someone to have your baby? So if a girl gets pregnant because she is stupid enough to let some dude blow his fucking load in her when not on birth control and abortion is illegal, she was forced to have that baby and take care of it? What the fuck are you on about?
 
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just going to put this here.

if we live in a democratic society, then we as citizens have the right to choose for ourselves whats in our personal best interests. wasting time arguing about these simple freedoms when we are moving into a time where people are becoming more accepting is dumb. dont force your opinions on others, thats what makes you an asshole. if you feel abortions are wrong, then dont get one. if you feel like gay marriage is wrong, then dont get married to the same sex.

women have the right to choose whether they want an abortion. it's their choice. i don't own her uterus, she can do what she wants with it.

im not a homosexual. so why limit the opportunity for gays to get married. im not the one getting married so why limit their opportunity.

and if i hear some bullshit about the bible or religion, SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. if we live in a free society, then why are we using these crutches to limit the freedoms of others, becuase some god said so. once we institute organized religion into our society, thats when we degenerate to the middle east.

 
i should clarify this statement.

middle eastern cultures generally put limitations on its citizen's, such as forcing women to wear burkhas, not allowing men to cut their hair, censoring the internet, not allowing freedom of speech (ex. libya and the christian movie - although i dont condone it, we should not make fun of other p[eoples beliefs).

 
Say you live in a house, in a neighbourhood full of people trees. People seeds are floating around in the air and you want to be sure they dont get into your house. So you put up special screens on your window to keep them out. You still want to live in this neighbourhood and the screens are a precaution. But one day somehow a people seed sneaks through the screen and starts growing in your basement, are you entitled to throw that growing person out?

 
ok so despite my last post i just formed an opinion on abortion completely based off the posts in this thread and pro choice quite honestly has a better argument. so i guess that makes me "pro liberty"
 
this. stop being a bunch of pussies. your okay with us going and killing a bunch of arabs but your not okay with us killing a bunch of fucking cells? god damn.
 
listen dude, if you believe that then thats fine. but what makes your opinion right? there are always going to be people thinking differently. making something illegal is not going to change that. thus, limiting the freedom of choice is a waste of time.

 
Another pro-choice valid argument.. When in the past has prohibition EVER worked? For anything? Prohibited alcohol, people died drinking bathtub gin. Prohibited weed, everyone smokes anyways.. Stealing and killing are illegal,still happens when people are desperate or stupid. If abortion is illegal and some really desperate person really doesn't want a baby, they will resort to coathangers and swallowing god knows what because they read on the internet that it will abort the fetus. Outlawing abortion is just stupid.
 
NO bro. Once that sperm hits that egg, that cell will grow into a human, if it has food etc. Just like a 3 year old will grow into an adult if it eats and sleeps and poops. SO yes it is life.
 
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