"Pro Choice" is stupid as hell, and Democrats suck at arguing.

oh yea? you wont be thinking that when you get some girl toasted and you've got to fit the bill for the baby to come. enjoy.
 
ohmygod its ar6rider always thinking that he is right again. well guess what buddy just cause what you think is right doesn't mean that everyone thinks what you think, now get the spike club out of your prick, and try to listen to other people.
 
are you retarded? illegal abortions have been going on for thousands of years! if women really don't want to keep their child, then they will sure as hell find a way around abortion laws. Making abortion illegal is just dangerous because with illegal abortion comes uncertified doctors who will perform the procedure secretly, which is completely unsanitary and dangerous to the life of the mother. have any of you seen Dirty Dancing ????? By allowing women to have legal abortions then the government is able to regulate them and ensure that they are not performing late-term abortions, are sanitary, and protecting the mother from danger when the procedure is being performed.fuck, I hate stupid people like you
 
then maybe u should have thought of that before you went and made a stupid decision. take responsibility for your actions. no one said life was easy and we shouldnt be able to deny a living being the right to life. (not attacking you in any way. this is all hypothetical)
 
I hope your sister gets raped by a black midget and you try to force her to keep the baby because of her "stupid decision."
 
because as we all know, you cannot get preggo if its a legitimate rape.... you've gotta want it to get pregnant.
 
a fetus is infact alive, it has a heart within a couple of weeks from conception. 2/3 of a humans growth happens within a mothers womb. now if you think a fetus is not a human just because it looks somewhat like an octopus head or something, well then whatever.
 
because those programs exist in every town in every part of America... right? and there's enough families to take in every single child that's born to someone that cannot take care of it, right?
 
i adopted a kid from china, thats halfway around the world, adoption agency was in USA and we got a kid halfway around the world, i dont think its too damn hard to get a baby anywhere across the US.
 
no shit, people are really stupid and make stupid mistakes. but they learn from them. unless they want the baby, there's no reason they should have to always suffer from dumb, young mistakes. they will never forget having an abortion, its something that stays with a person and changes them.
 
There wouldn't be a "you". You talk as if a weeks old amalgamation of cells is a conscious, thinking being who (I'd say "what" or "that") would have some kind of awareness of being "ripped out of the body". I hate this kind of non-logic. You're framing the argument on totally false pretenses.

Do you also belief that little aborted fetuses ascend to heaven and live with Jesus and look down in pity on the would be mother?

Do you jerk off? Shouldn't you be donating all of that sperm to sperm banks so that all of your prospective babies are given the chance to live? Shouldn't women collect their eggs each month they're flushed out and donate those to women who can't produce them?

No, you're right, every accidental pregnancy should be carried to term and every barely post-pubescent kid who fucks up should be saddled with that responsibility, right? No way that their inability to parent would have a negative effect on the kid? And yeah, adoption solves everything! No kid ever has had a miserable experience in the clusterfuck of child services and group homes. Every kid given up for adoption lives happily ever after.

Also, to your previous post, contraceptives fail. Birth control fails. Admittedly, not often, but it happens.

I'm not pro-abortion as much as I am completely uninterested in interfering with OTHER PEOPLE'S reproductive rights. I wish everyone would try and be a good person and contribute to society in a positive way and otherwise mind their own fucking business and save their moral platitudes for their own self righteous nonsense.

We kill human beings all the time, whether their executed or their sent off to die in a foreign country in the name of "freedom" or whatever shit, and yet no one (practically no one anyway) bats an eye. But, talk about aborting a six week fetus and every one heads for the protest front lines.
 
the problem in which many of you are addressing, such as young dumb couples thinking they are invisible, isnt a matter of abortion but a matter of what they are learning in school and at what age they are learning it. its a defect of society and our school systems, and its sad to say that its usually in the poorer communities. but thats not what this is about. its not about stupid decisions made before hand, its about the womans decisions to do what she wants with her body. and its not the decision of any one else but herself. end of story.
 
I'm going to throw in a currently unstated point that I think is effective against Pro-life. Hamnuts point was really good too.

People don't get upset because you are killing a baby, they get upset because you destroy the potential outcome for human life to develop. Here's what I say to you; loss of potential is generally not a tragedy. You don't step on a seedling and feel bad for killing a tree. If you really believed that taking away the creation of human life was terrible, you would be having sex all day everyday, trying to create as many babies as possible, because if you're not, you're preventing human life from existing.

Fuck the patriarchy, women can do what they want with there bodies. As soon as a baby can live by itself it can have a say. Forcing people to carry a baby can take away not only from the quality of life of the mother, but also from children that the woman could have in the future.

The majority of pro-life (and all) people eat meat, and that group of cells, or fetus has less 'life' in any form of the definition. It has less emotion, less physical perception. You might argue that so does someone with a severe developmental disability, and it would be wrong to kill them, right? Right, however, the value of life can commonly be seen in it's relationship to other living things. That person with the developmental disability has a family that knows them, has experienced them for years perhaps, and has watched them grow. A fetus has almost none of this attachment to the world, except through the mother. Again why it is the mothers decision. Of course, let's not even use the rape argument, that's a cop out. And if you're still pro-life in that scenario, then... welp... I give up.
 
"don't get me wrong, I'm all for killing unborn children. It's just giving women a choice that doesn't sit well with me"

- Zack Braff on abortion
 
http://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/teen_pregnancy you obviously what i say when i mean adoption agencies so here is a website for one.

im not going to get religious with this, im trying hard enough already to not get religious with it.

im too young to donate sperm, and personally that seems a little strange to me but whatever.

and a baby (or unborn fetus as same people would put it in this thread) does not have free will to go to war.
 
The conservative argument against abortion is retarded. What if the girl is raped and gets pregnant? Many would argue that it is rare for this to happen, and that may be. The reason it is so rare is because most girls who are raped are on birth control. Now, some of them even want to outlaw birth control pills because that too is considered "abortion". If that were to happen, we'd have women getting knocked up left and right from rape and consensual sex who are forced to carry and deliver a child, and many will use government funds such as welfare fed from tax dollars and programs that conservatives don't agree with in the first place.

It's funny how people like this who are against abortion almost always support the death penalty. So many innocent civilians have been killed in the middle east without a single shit given by our government. People are wrongly convicted and killed at the hands of our government. We're talking innocent, independent, living human beings. Republicans promote this shit. Why are they so adamant against abortion?

It should be in the woman's discretion to what they do to their own bodies. Saying a woman has to carry a rape child equivalent someone shoving a tapeworm down your throat and then having the government prevent you from getting rid of it from your own body.

 
also, more to the point. like everything else, an abortion is an act of God. God sets the circumstances under which leads to the abortion (or miscarriage) of an unborn baby. For this, he has reasons. Every life which was taken in an abortion was a life deservingly spent, as God could foresee that they would be sinners in the most evil sense of the word.
 
By making a comment like that, isn't it you who felt the need to get the last word in? I never considered what I said the last word, simply a comment on your stupidity.
 
Why aren't fetuses giving drinking tickets when their mothers drink while carrying them? Oh, that's right, because they aren't an actual independent person yet; therefore, laws should not apply to them.
 
Very, very much a point of debate, when can we consider something alive?

For example just as death is usually defined by the cessation of brain activity, so the start of life can be defined as the start of a recognisable Electroencephalography(EEG) pattern from the fetus.

This is usually twenty four to twenty seven weeks after conception.The point of using neurological factors rather than other signs such as a heartbeat is that this is a much more useful indicator from the point of view of science. A heart beats using mostly involuntary muscle movements so is really little different from any other spontaneous motion or metabolic processes. A heartbeat means relatively little in real terms, although it is more dramatic from an emotive point of view.

Yes it may have an heart, but like I said, a heart is nothing more then a muscle, involuntary controlled. The fetus can't sustain itself outside the mother's womb. Until roughly twenty five weeks, a fetus is very much dependent on its mother's womb to the degree that it can't operate as an independent unit. After this stage when it can technically survive, however, a birth would cause major problems for a baby.
 
no one is ever going to come to a settlement on rape... so thats thati dont think that a government can really do much on civilians being killed in the middle east other than sending in troops which they have done (oh wait i guess they do give a shit then)

and a tapeworm isnt a human and that has a higher chance of killing you if you dont get rid of it.
 
With over 7 billion people on the planet, you'd have to be fucking retarded to think that preserving unconscious sacks of cells is remotely beneficial to society. Not to mention the amount of emotional and economic pain it will inflict on people who are already (actually) living.
 
I do believe he was referencing Middle Eastern civilian killed BY the troops that were sent in. I think it's time for you to leave this thread, kiddo. Let the adults talk.
 
I would love to see a fetus sustain itself and grow independently without feeding on nutrients provided directly from the mother's body.
 
So you couldnt do 9 months for somebody to have 75+ years? Besides you decided to have sex (assuming you werent raped) so now its time you live with the consquences. The male should be included. i dont know about the states but in canada you have to pay child welfare.
 
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