presidential debate (DAMN SON)

asac ^, i read that same shit on the internets newspapers, word for word! make your own beliefs.

alright i had a huge long post, but it was extremely opinionated, so i erased it.

from what i saw kerry put bush in a defensive stance. in my eyes i see one leg of the tripod of evil that's dropped. kerry is saying he wants more issues and more drama. if you're against the war, how can you even vote for this guy? he doesn't want to clean everything up, he wants to push forward and leave iraq's foundation to someone else. he wants to handle N. korea alone, tha'ts gonna be great for our foreign relations (sarcasm). god i can't even write anymore, my head is so opinionated, im sorry. i jsut don't see how it is the right choice to vote kerry, i can't.

as for the war on iraq:

i've heard plenty of interviews from iraqis who are happy about what bush has done. so save yuor whole 'they don't even want us there' bull shit. they do! the terorists don't, get it straight.

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ps: save the whole 'we have 1,000 dead US citizens!'.....cuz that number is not that high. you should be happy it's only 1,000. remember it is war and we are being hit from random car bombs and stupid shit like that. also, people die in war, it's not like we went into this thinking we were going to have 0 dead.

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thats war, and if you dont like protecting america from terrorists after we got attacked then ur an idiot. america doest sit there after being attacked like that, thats not what were about, so no one should be surprises were at war after thousands of innocent americans were killed. i hate to bring it up, but you people have to have some understanding, NEVER FORGET!

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if more young uninfromed voters go the to polls, kerry stands a WAY better chance of winning. its old folks that go the the polls, concequently, i think it was winston churchill that said 'if youre not a liberal at 20 you have no heart. if youre not a conservative at 40, you have no head.'

the fact that its the older more politically informed generation that casts the most ballots can be poited at as to why republicans have held the whitehouse for the majority of the presidencies in this nations history.

 
wow, i can't belive you guys didn't pick up on what i was trying to say. yes, kerry is not the perfect canidate, but i agree with so much more of what he is saying that what bush is. now do you understand?

 
nickskier- 'democrats may not think kerry is the ideal canidate, but that's because they have viewpoints that aren't simply clones of their canidates.'

Would you please explain this? I dont know what you were talking about, so i guess, yeah, I missed your point.

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iamnumberone, yeah that's very true. most people in this country consider themselves democrats, but more republicans vote. it's more of a sure thing that conservatives make to the polls, liberals are flakier in general.

bitchassphatz, yeah no shit people are going to die, we know that. but the argument there is that there should have been no war in the first place so there no one needed to die. and i've seen interviews with iraqis who say they never wanted the us there, so there's two sides to it. i'd like to see a poll of iraqi citizens about that, that would be interesting.

and gvar, yes we shouldn't forget and no one will. kerry will be tough on terror, too. what it comes down to is whether or not you think bush has effectively fought terrorism or that we need someone new with a different plan. my opinion is that bush has fought it the wrong way and took advantage of the country's fears after september 11th to settle an old score for his dad, but that's just my opinon.

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There is no way that a politician would make such a hard decision just because his daddy wanted him to. Thats stupid. Read my post in the 'who are you voting for' thread regarding that.

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'' he wants to handle N. korea alone, tha'ts gonna be great for our foreign relations (sarcasm). ''

One more time, because people don't read. This time I will make it short. Everyone Bush wants to involve in multilateral talks has directly asked the U.S. to engage in bilateral talks, as Kerry proposes. Bush's argument that we will alienate those countries makes no sense.

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JD- just because you didnt read, I will make this short. Bush isnt afraid of alienting those countries. He just knows that NK will walk away from any kind of bilateral talks making absolutely no changes. He knows that there is more power in numbers.

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well SKItheBURG, it may have had a minor effect on the decision, but remember, we did give them every possible opportunity to surrender there weapons. we sent of UN inspecotrs as well, we gave them every chance to redeem themselves. but there's more to it. if anyone saw Faherheit 911, which i thought sucked, you would know of the bush family's conncection to the royal Saudia Arabia family, who fund the bush family. what may have affected GW's decision more than his father, is Saudia Arabia. Now what is S.A.'s biggest resource? Oil....What is Iraq's? Oil...now if Iraq's oil fields are ruined, S.A. can raise the oil price significantly, bcz Iraq is one of there main competetors. this family tie between the family's dates back to Bush Sr. as well, and remember when Iraq was on the border of S.A. and may have attacked? who saved the day, but Bush Sr. himself! S.A. used the Bush family. And no, i didn't find all this info from Faherheit 911, and yes, i am a Bush supporter. i'm just not like you Kerryites who fail to see anything wrong w/ my supporter.

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I guess I'll give a reason for why I'm voting for Kerry. I don't like how Bush disregarded the other European nations in going to Iraq. I was in Chile when he went so I had an outside perspective, and those other countries recognized this mistake and tried, through the UN, to delay the US. THen the US went strong arming other nations into supporting them, they did it to Chile and many chileans were VERY upset. Kerry supports friendlier ties with our allies, and this is important, as we all live on a huge rock in space, the US is not separate from the EU or any other group of nations.

Second: I just plain don't like Bush's shady background and I think his past does, in some ways, disqualify him from being a strong leader. My aunt is a CEO of one of the biggest non-profit orgs in Washington and has been for 20 years. She was aware of the coverup in the 80s of Bush's cocaine habit, and she was aware of the fact that Bush never had a real job until his govenorship. There was quite a bit of uproar over his governorship in Texas because he had no real experience. I won't go into National Guard service.

Third: His strong moral values and convictions. This is absolutely absurd and should be to anyone who can think for themselves. He continues to call Kerry a flipflopper, and position changer, continues to say Iraq was connected to Alqueda, etc. He continues to say things as if they are fact even when they have, almost without a doubt, been proven wrong. Take the WMD in Iraq . Despite the weapons inspectors saying there were none, the report by the defense contractors, etc. he continued to say they were there. Its just ignorant and dangerous because you Bush supporters call this stubborness 'strong convictions'.

Forth: 'Reaganomics' won't work in the year 2004-2008. It didn't work in the year 2000-2004. His handling of the economy has been a disaster and I can't figure out why people havent figured this out. Saying that cutting taxes for the wealthy will do the same as it did for Reagan is not true. In effect, he's giving these wealthy people and companies a break, but they arent contributing back to the economy because of the new discovery of the prospects of outsourcing jobs overseas. The next president NEEDS to reign in these larger corps.

Fifth: His 'war on terrorism'. It's ridiculous. There should never have been a war on terrorism. Instead of alienating Islam, Bush should have gotten the world together and made it a universal front against terrorists. He should have included other nations, especially Arab ones. He is still going about it the wrong way. This was not a time for the Bush admin to act tough, it should have been a time to act on sympathy. The US had a chance to get a huge number of nations behind us, saying 'look what happened, help us fight back, lets defeat this mentality together' Instead, Bush in effect said 'Look what you've done! Now we, and we alone, are going to spread liberty across the globe and wipe ANYONE who could potentially resemble a terrorist! Are ya coming with or staying back earth?!' Its frustrating to be a citizen under this kind of shoddy thinking.

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You honestly think that there should have never been a war on terrorism? Your an idiot. talk about shoddy thinking. What were supposed to do, take on on the chin and say 'man that sucks, lets turn into martyrs'? Get some balls and man up. We had to respond and respond hard. Terrorists wont recognize sympathy, only force. You need to realize that.

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^ Did you read what I wrote?

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'He should have included other nations, especially Arab ones.' Most of them are all in disarray and they hate the US anyway. Plus we tried to get others involved, we had several meetings w/ all the nations present, and none WANTED to help us. And, no, dont get into his National Guard past, bcz all the accusations have been proved false. And before he was govenor of texas, he owned an oil company.

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Yes I did. You said 'His 'war on terrorism'. It's ridiculous. There should never have been a war on terrorism.'

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You can't win a war on terror. You can wage one, but you can't win. Even if you find all the Al-qaeda terrorists, destroy all the affiliated cells, terrorism will live on. You think new ones won't be born? Deal with it. You think extremists will dissepear from the earth if Osama Ben Laden is killed? Oh, by the way, there are other terrorists than extremist muslims, there are American terrorists too.

You can't declare war against an emotion, something that's not destroyable. Both of the candidates are very arrogant thinking this is possible. Oh, and Kerry won.

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canadianskigod: so, what do you propose? let count our deads and rebuilt our buildings? nothing to do against terrorism, so we let them do? maybe we could sell them weapons to make a little money out of terrorism!

you coward! it's because of people like you that terrorism exists!

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The war on terrorism should never have happened because it is an oxymoron. Terrorism is violence against an establishment, people, or culture. You cannot wage a war on this, Bush's admin is making a HUGE mistake by stirring people's emotions and letting this get way out of hand. The more you fight terrorism, the more it will grow.

I'm not saying we should not use force, it is necessary. The US should have and should do this: NOT unilaterally attack Iraq and Afghanistan and not rampage around the world on an 'international war on terrorism' that is just the United States' war. This is not the way to fight ANY war! let alone a war against an ideology. Think about how much better the world would be today if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq and had instead allied the US with the various other nations and went about prosecuting terrorism in more methodical fashion. Just think! There would be no Iraq quagmire now, Iraq would still be smoldering off in a corner in the middle east, with Saddam still in power doing nothing, like he always has. Chirst, even his own advisors didn't take him seriously the last few years he was in power, he was so dilusional and sick. Iraq was crippled and worthless, no threat at all. Then the US could have focused its efforts on Afghanistan, removed the Taliban and searched for Al-queda with the UN. Iraq would not even be an issue, people would not even be giving it a second thought, and that is all it would deserve. So much more could be accomplished if Bush had listened former and current military advisors and not acted on his christian beliefs and moral principals of erradicating a random enemy. Regret is a stupid emotion, but it is painful to look back in retrospect and see the horrible mistakes made by Bush, and then look now in the present and SEE HIM STANDING BY THOSE DECISIONS. this is not hard to understand people, how do you Bush supporters justify this? It's funny, republicans now spend so much time JUSTIFYING everything that has been done or that is done. you shouldn't have to justify what you did if it was the right thing. No one had to justify going to war after Pearl Harbor. No one had to justify going to war in WWI after the sinking of US ships. this is how the military is supposed to work, protect the citizens.

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gvar i didn't really see the point of your post responding to mine. so it wasn't to settle his dad's score, it was to help out his old friends? either way doesn't seem very reasonable to me. and in case you didn't know, back in january of 2001, the administration made iraq an opportunistic target of choice. well before september 11 and the war on terror. that was just the excuse to go in.

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midwest_rep- Your beliefs slay me. How can you honestly say that you cant fight terrorism? What is your suggestion. I think that what the US is doing is right. I know that it is the hardest war ever fought, but are we supposed to just stand there and let it fester? I think that you are putting it on a level that it doesnt deserve to be. It is not just an emotion. It has an organization with leaders and a chain of command. Its true that it doesnt have a defined country, but we do know countries that look the other way and allow terrorists to work from that country. That is why we have gone to war where we have. And another thing. There is not one single candidate that supports your beliefs. Kerry wants to wage the war against terrorism just like bush does, so why are you supporting him again?

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