President bush is a good man

have you ever been to ANWR? It's a giant flat frozen wasteland. There's nothing particularly scenic or pristine about it. And every time they put in an oil well, the animals love it because it's warm. After going there, i really have no problem drilling in ANWR. Better Alaska than the mideast as long as Bush won't research alternate energy sources.
 
yeah but the whole idea (of my opinion) is that if he can get into one wildlife area to drill, he can get into any wildlife area.
 
you guys all think I am serious? Not everything posted on this forum is serious. I am just fuckin around with you all. I understand the situation, I just know how to rile yall up. All you guys get so worked up. Just accept that everyone has different opinions, and try to understand their side of the argument instead of being so defensive. Keep an open mind.

" So the comment "the un are a bunch or pussy" (which first of all sounds like a first grader wrote it) shows that you are very ignorant and should school yourself on a topic before you write about it."

^Oh and btw you fucked up trying to quote the message I posted. You said "or" when I said "of." I screwed up one word too. I said pussy instead of pussies. And then I quickly corrected myself. So hey man messing up one word when typing a quick reply, does happen to the best of us and doesn't necessarly mean you are a first grade writer.

All right, get back to the debate.
 
there are so many just plain wrong posts and points in this thread id love to refute, but honestly there isnt enough time. what crock wrote is pretty good, but theres alot more that needs to be said. some of you bush bashers need to check your facts, and not believe everything you read on the internet. political talk on NS is pretty much a joke. lets talk about skiing, this is just pointless.
 
im just gonna add to this by saying 1 i support most of what bush does and 2, everyone tries to compare people to the presedent before who was clinton, 1 clinton took more vacations than bush has and 2 everyone thinks that clinton is so great because wow the economy was so great and everyone had money. well think about this the only reason bill clinton had a great economy was because of the DOT COM boom once he left that shit went down hill and the unlucky george bush came in when that happened.
 
I'm from AOTEAROA aka New Zealand. It's the indigenous Maori name for NZ. Thats why I got it, because not many people know that. Aotearoa means "land of the long white cloud". Cooler than "New Zealand" I think anyway.
 
Clinton was also a piece of shit. just a little less obvious and more covert than the republicans. They just straight out blatant 'well fuck you over, stand in our way and you get the beat downs" type shit.
 
This may get me killed, but here: America is like NS. Its changing, not for the better. We got more people, changing interests,, expansion issues, any mumber of things leading to new problems. Its hard to adjust fast eneough.
 
Pretty much everythin Clinton did was UN backed...very nice job backing up your opinion though (sarcasm).
 
im gonna lay this out right now:

George Bush is a shitty-ass president, if you could even call him that..

Sure he's doing well dealing with these situations...that he caused!! second off, as someone else mentioned, he doesnt care how bad we pollute the air as long as we get money from it.

and of course, the war....

the only reason that fucktard keeps sayin, "the job isn't done, so we can't leave", is because if we leave now they'll fuck us up because that dumbass president got us into this mess himself, and can't get us out..so nice job to our cockmonging president
 
Wow, such a diversified opinion. You really have a good outlook on things and really know what you're talkin about.

How about explaining what you are trying to poke fun at? Seriously, you're sayin oh he does everything bad, like what? He didn't cause 9/11, don't even jump on that bandwagon.
 
i dont need to jump on any bandwagon dude, thats my opinion..if anyone else feels the same then thats their own as well
 
mitch, you are smart. you know alot. and your backup you statements(something im working on) BUT you are not a fucking moderate are a liberal. admit it. i dont care if your a conservative as long as your reasonable and realize bush is not the best fucking president ever.
 
guerilla, since ur such a fan of bush and the "War on Terrorism", why don't you be a good citizen and serve our country. Join the military and fight for our freedom, be a patriot! Cause you know just as well as everyone else, that if we didn't attack Iraq, all the Islamic fundamentalists would conquer the U.S., and we'd all be praying to the Koran instead of sitting here on NS.... dude bush fucked up and continues to do so, without any realization of what he's actually done. think of all the money spent on Iraq that could be spent on more important domestic issues. humility is not a characteristic of Bush. get off ur high horse, open ur fuckin eyes, and quit being ignorant.
 
HUGE PROBLEMS WITH THE CURRENT ADMIN:

Isreal - isreal is a terrorist state originally seized from the British by acts of TERRORISM, (they took hostages, blew up civilians in public places and cut heads off on TV). Now the US is throwing money and arms at isreal (despite that being the SOLE cause of First oil embargo) in order for them to "fight hezbollah", which is really just a showing of isreali sovereignty and dominance in the region in order to scare Iran into not using the so-called "oil weapon" and to remind The House of Saud of their duty to the united states under an agreement known only as SAMA (saudi arabian money laundering affair). so basiclly the US is risking another oil embargo and a total deterioration of the middle east to assert its claim to middle east oil, all the while claiming to fight terrorism while very heavily funding a terrorist state.

A new level of corpratocracy -

The bush administration has been shameless in its awarding of MASSIVE non-competitive builing, oil drilling, refining, natural gas tranportation, MERCENARY, and ARMS contracts. There are tens of thousands of DYNCORP and BLACKHAWK corp troops on the ground getting paid TWICE as much to be in low risk areas.

STAGNATION -

a feat never before achieved by any monetary syetem in history, is about to be big in the US : a stagnat economy at the same time as substantial inflation.

in theory this is impossible, but with US banks using Fractional Reserve banking (loaning 10 times as much as they have, then recieving 10 times as much money back, thearby creating 10 dollars from 1) and the Federal Reserve's (which by the way is a privatly held bank run for profit) continuing of a fiat money supply, our money can lose value even when the economy is NOT growing.

if you think you can rebuke any of this, then it went a mile over your head.
 
Look man,

I'm going to say this one last time. I'm about as levelheaded as it gets when dealin with politics.

I am pro-choice and I don't give a fuck if two guys/girls want to marry, to each his own. I have just as many liberal views as I do conservatist. I am not extreme in any of my views on either political spectrum.
 
uhh can anyone PLEASE tell me the point of this war??? i dont think the only reason Bush is doing this is because he want a democractic government for iraqi...
 
I have to write a essay this week for pols, entititled: 'Is the Bush administration winning the 'war on terror'?"... by the looks of things i'm definetly not taking any references from this site. haha.

Anyway i can't understand how that mi(scra)tch dude whatever doesn't figure out that bush aswell as others over the last 6 decades has been entirely responsible for 9/11. He did not handle it well, he handled it how i would have expected, taking revenge. He didn't think about it. What was the justification for invading Iraq? WMD's and a connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda, which most analysts clearly say is not only fraud but rediculous as they both pretty much hated each other. If one was to handle the atrocities of 9/11 "well" then there wouldn't have been wide scale retalitation against a country that the CIA once funded. The Northern Alliance which was built, backed and powered by the US in Afganistan that replaced the Taliban are, according to some people (locals and orginations such as Revolutionary Afgan Womens Association, who still have to hide in secret schools to teach girls) just as bad or worse than the Taliban. therefore that front of the war on terror pretty much failed.

Over atleast the past 5 presidencies there has been a policy of domination and Us comes first no matter what. This has been seen in Vietnam, Panama, Granada, Laos, Cuba, middle East, parts of Africa, Chile, Phillipines etc the list goes on. Some of these interventions are not directly carried out by the government but in reality the decisions of orginisations such as the World Bank and the IMF are controlled by the US as they can veto any decision made within these groups, because they hold over 15 or 20% (not sure the actual mark) of the vote, due to monetary power.

And of course the IMF etc always fall into line and adopt the fucked up neo-liberal polices, first under Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. These included Structural Adjustment Programmes or SAPS which meant if a certain developing country wanted a loan from these orginisations it would have to adopt these neo-liberal programes of trickle down and privatisation of public goods as well as have to handle the large interest rates applied to the loan, perfect example of this is Mozambique, or the Philippines where the country was treated as a testing ground for the SAPs.

These systems do not work, it ends up in the usual tract of rich getting richer and poor poorer, look at Haiti, there's a rich minority of 150 families and the rest live on less than $2 a day.

Anyway I digress, but can you not see why people or groups such as Al-Qaeda, would want to destroy the centre of worldwide concentrated wealth and military force, these wars and conflicts and conservative social policies are a direct effect. and Bush just made the whole thing worse after handle 9/11 "well" as you say. A new generation of hate and angst has just been born. Expect more frequent and larger, virocious attacks my friend. Or keep beleiving you "president" is handling the situation well. Just another fuck ass to me.

 
This "Mi(scra)tch dude" is FULLY aware of recent events in the middle east. I say it again step down from your house, you aren't as smart as you are preaching to be. Another thing, don't talk down to me like I am less intellient, you haven't earned that right.

You're an idiot. To your logic Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover were responsible for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Clinton didn't do anything wrong in the middle east. I never said I agreed with the Iraq War, or that 9/11 was justified. Don't put words in my mouth to try to make anything you say legit.

Well you're already wrong about one thing (you keep displaying utter knowledge of the US intervention in the Middle East). The CIA did not fund Al Qaeda, they funded MAK, which was Bin Laden's resistance force to oppressing Russia.

We didn't build the Northern Alliance, we just renamed it and portrayed it as our ally. We didn't fund them and such. The group was actually called the United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan.

Wow, Reagan, neo-liberals? Are you kiddin me? Reagan was one of the funders of the coservative movement.

Look, Nostradamus, chill for a sec. What would you have done after 9/11. I mean since I'm sure you would have just been able to do it all yourself because you are sooooo educated and sooooo smart.

Oh by the way, sorry to make you look even more retarded, but your whole reasoning on why Bin Laden blew up the towers is wrong. If you would like me to go into greater detail, I shall.
 
First it doesn't matter what name it was under, the fundamentals were there, eg funding of a terrorist group. Even if it was to defend against the Soviets. The US entirely knew about other terrorist activites of Osama, he even carried out attacks against the Saudi government, his homeland, that is why he is in exile from there. i'm not too sure about this but i think the Saudis and the US have a strong relationship, am i right?

Do you know what Neo-liberalist theory is about? It is purely conservative.

Clinton also bombed Afganistan, some sort of clothing/food factory I beleive?
 
Actually it was AFTER he was exiled that he began terrorist attacks on the US not Saudi. He didn't attack Saudi Targets. He just verbally exploited the government and they didn't like it too much.

The name matters a lot in this case because Al-Qaeda was formed against the wester world, and the MAK was solely against invading Russia.
 
I find it interesting that there there hasn't been a single mention of afghanistan in this thread. It's amazing how easily america has forgotten about the fact that there are still thousands of our troops stationed there, and that the taliban is currently stronger than it has been at any point since the initial invasion. I don't really want to get caught up in all the mayhem in this thread, but I thought i'd just point out that when judging Bush's presidency, you have to think of more than just the Iraq war.
 
HAHAHA, stop for a second, look at what you just said and where you are from.

Your country was founded by criminals...which is better? Moron.
 
hands down australia is better then the us. they dont invade countries on shitty info and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people.what freedoms do we have they dont? australia is much better then the us. im not saying it will always be that way but right now i think its obvious.
 
Wow,

Go live there please. Whatever you do just don't have kids in the US. In fact it would probably be best if you didn't reproduce at all.
 
and he created global warming on top off all that

but really, there is toooo much hate at george bush, i think hes doing a pretty damn good job with whats been put in front of him
 
word, you can't talk politics with people that don't know the facts and believe everything they hear from the drive by media and liberal bloggers. i bet alot more people would like bush if they knew all the facts.
 
This is where i kinda agree with mi(scra)tc) aus is shit, sooo much rascism. but NZ is also shit on that aspect.

But don't you think Columbus was a criminal? Perhaps bigger than the rest i sure do.
 
So was Cortez, pillaging and raping Aztec Villages. Basically every major explorer, and or conquerer did some bad shit. Mexico and South America weren't speaking Spanish until it and Christianity was forced upon them by the Spainards.

Look no nation is completely innocent, but just takin shots at the US time after time isn't called for. Really look beyond Bush, we have done some really really good things. We are just stuck in a bad spot. Soon the people will realize it and new political parties will be born. Instead of coming up with plans and or ideas to fix problems, the world points its fingers at the US.
 
Thats a bold claim. The large majority of economists don't see that as a real threat, particularly when the US economy isn't even in a recession (by the true definition).

Several factors usually need to be in place to have a recession: rising unemployment, extremely slow or negative growth, and a falling GDP (2 Q's is usually the benchmark).

To review. By the standard of economic theory, a perfect unemployment rate is 5%, the US unemployment rate is currently below that (about 4.7% if my memory serves me correctly). Growth in the economy has slowed, but that in itself is redundant when making a comparison to the boom of the late 90's. While not exceptional, business is still good. The GDP continues to grow at a steady rate.

The theory you are referring to is not impossible because of situational factors (though it is in our current economy), it is impossible because you can't accurately analyze the maximum capacity of economic growth. You can't measure anything when you don't have a measuring stick.

Purely inflation will not cause stagnation, and true fractional reserve banking is not possible under current federal regulations.

In any case, I'm calling bullshit on your stagnation theory. You have been rebuked.
 
That's a moronic statement within itself. Its even more idiotic that you are comparing those two nations. Apples and oranges.
 
The problem with this thread is that its regarding one man. You can't just talk about George Bush, Bush by himself didn't fail or succeed the way you guys discuss these things. You have to talk about the adminstration as a whole.

Here are a few things I think should be considered...

1. After 9/11 we had the entire world behind us, supporting us, praying for us. They held vigils for us in the streets of Tehran. The real question is how did we get from there... to now, where when you take a school trip, they tell you NOT to dress like an american, or have flags on your bags. Why there has never been more hatred to the United States then ever before in the world.

2. It is COMPLETELY okay to question your government. In fact, its completely wrong not to. Americans, in general, are so easy to forget things, and to ignore history. Facism can appear at the drop of a hat. I'm not saying America is anywhere near Facism. But do not blindly follow your leaders as they slowly peel back your layers of rights. History repeats itself. A few decades ago, it was communists. "If you aren't with us, your a communist" They took away so many freedoms, and arrested thousands and all in the fear mongering of communism. Don't forget years ago before that during WWII, Japanese Interment Camps. These things happen, and they happen when the public lets them happen.

3. The whole gay rights debate. Think what you will, say what you want, but in a few decades time, gays will be allowed to marry each other. Look at every civil rights movement in America's history. They will succeed. And when they do, you're kids will after reading their history lessons, asked how the people in your time could be so hateful towards others. Think about it the same way you think about your grandparents and the black civil rights movement. History will see the Bush adminstration as bigots.
 
yeah, just let quinny take it from here.

everyones so set on this thread. every post ends with "thats it im right, dont even try". you cant all be right. some of the posts are just dead wrong. i dont have the time for it. hah some lose all validity when they cant even spell "Israel".
 
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