Police Brutality.

thats right, Im studying for a philosophy test :(
Too many US enforcement officers are just plain fucking stupid, the US needs to refine its law enforcement education/training systems. Lots of other police injustice and corruption in this blog: http://revok1.com/
 
Wow, beautifully done. Using a Medieval, renaissance, and enlightenment thinker all in a few words... and using them properly +k

And not only (according to Hobbes) must law be absolute in order to maintain basic civilization, but the government creates morality (allowing it to do whatever it wants), and the citizens should fear it more than they fear anything else.
 
Listen, I will try my best to write this as clearly as possible, and sum up my feelings on cops.

I grew up in an upper middle class household, to very good parents who taught me to respect others, etc etc. I grew up in a liberal town, and definitely have a part of me that is very strong with the "bleeding heart" mentality. I would also characterize one of my greatest attributes as skill with people. With any kind of person. Emotional and mental stability so as to interact with others. I work in a larger, inner city hospital Emergency Room, as I have been doing for close to 8 years. I work very closely with the dregs of society. Our hospital actually carries the contract for all the prisons in our central state area. Of couse, in the ER we are close with fire and PD because we see them so often. I am threatened often, we go on lockdown once a night, and we have bulletproof autolocking doors and windows. Our "security" are cops. I literally can feel myself pushed to the edge nightly with the people I interact with. Do you understand this? I am a stable, reliable, smart young guy. And it can become too much for me to handle.

If you understood the unabashed pieces of shit we have roaming our streets you would understand why being a cop is so hard. I promise you, the addicts, criminals, lowlifes, and just generally bad people that exist out there make a cops just damn near impossible. There is no perfect humans. Mistakes happen, and there are cops that break the rules. Thats been established. If you think you could do it, I promise you, you would fall down in some other area that we expect cops to be so understanding in. Want to be completely by the book? Forget ever writing someone a warning or having a college kid pour out his beer. Want to make a difference? Forget trying to teach an inner city kid a lesson after being stabbed by the previous one.

I have this feeling that most of you live in wealthy towns, and the only interaction you have with police are the rich town cops that pull you over and smell your weed filled cars. This is not fair. Their job is minutely different than the regular cops out there just trying to keep things on an even keel. They can end up being dicks because all they do all day is pull over drunk real housewives and stoned rich kids for speeding. Remember that all the heavy work is being done in a dangerous and thankless environment.

Whatever im losing steam here.
 
this. I could be wrong but I think this is where the thread was intended to go. Not into an argument over whos ass should have been beat
 
I live in NYC and go to school in the Bronx. I am well off, but i see black people get stopped by the cops all the time for no reason. It happens to some of my friends. I agree with you some and they don't necessarily have to go by the book all the time, but they have to obey the constitution.
 
Unequivocally wrong. You seem like a smart dude woozy but this must be where your number quoting and real life experience diverge.

All those stats with your conclusion are laughable.

Fuckkkkkk I knew I would get sucked into this thread.
 
I fly all the time and have a middle eastern background with a father who works in defense and I get searched mondo....I dont like it either but I dont flip out when I get my bag "randomly" searched EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME. I go on with life.
 
Would be interested to see what kind of legal actions were brought upon any officers, if any were even filed, which I'm assuming there were
 
im not to sure about like the rules of air travel, but if i were you i would be pissed. 4TH AMENDMENT!
 
I live in the real world man, its not cool but I dunno, they dont rape me or anything. The craziest thing I have ever heard about this is from my dad, who is middle eastern and works in national defense, specifically with the middle eastern nations.

When he flies El-Al, he gets lots of "extra attention." He said that he has never felt safer on any other airline.

And my dad is no punk bitch as far as his rights stand.
 
And your one video helps perpetuate the idea that most cops are people beaters, without taking into context the few cases in the body of work of our police officers.

And there is nothing but observations that can be made with your stats, observations that are unprovable, including your own, so Im staying out of that one.
 
By the way stats lie all the time dude, for a guy that loves to argue and use numbers to your own advantage this is an awfully "debater-ish" thing to say, setting me up to respond like that.
 
shut the fuck up already. racial profiling. GET OVER IT!

it happens, it should happen.

sorry, but theres a reason they stop black guys on the street in the ghetto. if its a respectable looking black guy, in a respectable part of town, they arent going to stop you. if you're all hood, and dont look respectable... good luck.

there's a reason they stop middle eastern people going onto airplanes. they stop my venuzualan co worker all the time.

if there was a reason why white people would be sketchy, go for it. search me too.

and just an FYI. i'm the whitest, blonde hair and blue eyed kid, and almost every other time i fly i get "randomly" stopped. so quit your bitching.
 
also. i am all for less government and retaining our rights in MOST cases. but it comes to a point where people need to stop being offended at the slightest thing...referring to TSA searches.
 
Has it happened to you? I do care and understand what has been studied, but I trust my own instincts and experiences vastly more. If you dont believe in that than we will certainly never see eye to eye. I can promise you things operate differently than you assume.
 
Im sorry but you should learn what the definition of reasonable suspicion is. Probable cause isn't just defined by looking sketchy. You can't just stop anyone on the street for no reason and detain them. If the officer does not tell you why he stopped you, you are free to go. (Unfortunately most people don't know this, and some police don't always let you go).

This is america, you can dress however you want (for the most part), and it should not effect whether or not you get stopped by the police. That is INSANE. To say that someone who doesn't dress nice has more of a chance to be carrying drugs is ridiculous. I go to school with some of the richest kids in the country and a lot of them carry drugs on them all the time. More so than the middle class, and poor minorities i know.

And honestly i don't know about flying. I think that because you are consenting, and paying to fly you are subjecting yourself to certain searches.
 
90% of the time im on the side of the police in these cases...but there were a few in there where the cops were out of line
 
they can turn anything into probably cause.. we were out one night looking for urban rails, and we pull out of a park and a cop pulls us over.. said we "pulled out too fast"

the same thing goes on 4th of july and new years and any other major "drinking" holiday.. cops are out on the roads in force, and pull you over for ANYTHING. not signaling, "going a little too fast", broken tail light, anything they can come up with to be able to see if you've been drinking. do you agree with this? yes? actually, you're probably happy they do this because it keeps drunk drivers off the roads, stopping drunk driving accidents.

there's a reason those steriotypes are true. they didnt just happen over night. yes it is true that "respectful" looking kids or adults carry drugs too. but there is a way higher percentage of "sketchy" people carrying/dealing than there are non-sketchy people. specially when it comes to people in ghetto sections of town.
 
They can pull you over for those offenses but they can't search your vehicle unless the smell alcohol, weed, or see alcohol or drugs. And if a cop lies about probable cause your case will be dismissed.
 
I have never said what you just said I did. I'll quote throughout my posts if you need me to. I know police brutality exists, and I wish I had the answer to it. However, these videos provide an unrealistic context of what actually happens out there, and its really frustrating that people on here knee jerk react to things with "fuck the police." I never gave any carte blanche to the cops to do what they wanted, and believe it or not, you are not the only one with any knowledge of psychology or statistics regarding police behavior.

 
or if they ask you, "have you been drinking?" and you answer them truthfully.

"you have the right not to answer a cop" blah blah blah... then you're just a dumbass asking for trouble, because if you refuse, that makes you automatically suspicious.

think of the most innocent question you can ask, "do you sleep with a teddy bear at night?" person says, "i'm not answering that". done. hands down, you think the worst. or in this case, him sleeping with a teddy bear.

if someone refuses to answer a question to a cop, same thing applies. he then asks you to step out of the car to take a sobriety test.. happened to me a couple months ago. cop stopped me on a friday night, asked if i had been drinking, said i had two beers throughout the whole night, said step out of the car... did what he said, past his little test, went on with life.

 
coming from someone who has had his ass beat by cops on several different occasions, we usually deserve it. i know that each time I got my shit kicked, i had it coming. whether it be running my mouth, struggling a little bit, whatever, i was by no means as "Innocent" as I would have claimed after the fact...and I'm sure most of these weren't either. 9 times out of 10, a cop doesn't just beat your ass for no reason.

note, that's not to say that it doesn't ever happen, i just highly question what goes on before the whoopin' gets caught on tape.

i've learned my leason though...maybe these people will too.
 
welcome to the world we live in. get used to it, and do be an offender and when the police tell you to do something, you do it. resisting is the worst thing you can do for yourself. anybody with half a brain knows this. if you're falsely charged with something, get taken in and sort it out there. resisting on the spot makes you look guilty and makes you look like a potential threat.
 
why do I need to do that? Are you saying that all U.S. laws are good and just and should always be followed without question?

This is based on principle, not example.

Anyways, I'll humor your request:

1. If you want to smoke pot, smoke pot.

2. If you want to drive without a seat-belt, do it.

3. If you don't want to wear a helmet, don't wear a helmet.
 
when that man was thrown from that white mini van. what.the.fuck.

obviously he committed a crime prior to the incident. BUT, instead of making sure he was okay, the police officers decide to rush over and beat him senselessly. jesus.
 
so wrong. I never talk to police. It is my right, and I have never been arrested before. They can't do anything if you don't talk to them. In fact I have gotten out of some potentially inflammatory and bad situation by not talking to them.
 
I see you have resorted to personal attacks. You must be uncomfortable with your position. The videos are something different. My issue is with the "fuck the police" culture of newschoolers, and by default young people today. If you can't understand that the police have a martial job then you can go ahead and resort to insults and callouts if you please.

I am not condoning anything from any video, merely pointing out that confrontations with the police are often misunderstood and vastly overreacted to on NS.
 
Can you explain to me why the video only shows american law enforcement? If there was an array of nationalities then maybe what you're saying would hold some merit, but at the moment it's just you reverting back to the same old pathetic defense mechanism that grew invalid when these criminal acts continued to occur. Its the bad cops' behaviour, not the good ones, that determines their overall status. The sad thing is, deep down, you know the generalizations people make about american cops are true. There is no other country in the world whose law enforcement longs for such authority and abuses all its awarded power as much as the americans. They're like the school bully who feels like he needs to assert his self appointed power in fear of not being respected, as if showing you're someone not to be fucked with is the way to gain respect. The fact that america in general holds revenge in such high regard doesn't help either. An eye for an eye, right? Bunch of neanderthals.

inb4 denial
 
If you're talking about the video in the OP, it's because that video is about video and police brutality in the US. I watch a lot of crazy amateur video and police all around the world can act just as fucked up.
 
a very bold statement to make, but i completely agree.

most other nations are governed by the people, at least to an extent. there isn't this huge separation between what is tolerable or even acceptable for a citizen versus an authority figure. to bestow the kind of power like the americans do on their system really only facilitates the abuse that it gets. and we all know how these increasingly corrupt "empires" end. just ask the romans..
 
but not in comparison to what is acceptable punishment from another citizen. in some foreign countries, it's acceptable to cut a man's hand off when he's stolen, so if you see a police officer cutting a guy's hand off caught on video, it's really just common practice and hardly an act of brutality by an authority figure.

the fact that in the states you can get sent to prison for video taping a police officer beating a subdued individual without mercy is a huge problem.

that's the difference ,

anywhere else in the world, anyone and everyone is accountable.

states:

citizen acts in rage and beats someone, police officer arrests you for assault and battery.

police officer acts in rage and beats someone, zero consequences and you get threatened for documenting it.

tell me that isn't fucked up.

unnecessary roughness is one thing and i hardly consider that brutality. after all, who am i to criticize how an officer handles himself? if you need to slam a guy to the ground, pull out the taser or gun to protect yourself and those around you, go for it. can't really criticize judgement. we're all human. but when he's cuffed and lying motionless on the floor and you decide to kick him in the head a few times, that can't fly.
 
uhhh

because some places have stricter laws it's expected that their police abuse citizens? ok....

the fact that you can get in trouble for taping the cops here? I mean at least the US has some law protecting that right. Other places they'll just chop your hand off and give you camera to their kid right?

anywhere else in the world anyone and everyone is accountable? are you crazy...

lol, and you want me to say it isn't fucked up when people get in trouble for taping?

the end.

 
exactly.

hitting a man when he is down is a huge fucking douche move. its even more douche like if you have him cuffed and are using a club.
 
I was talking about the op vid, but really it applies in general too. I don't suppose you could post these video compilations for us to see?..
 
typical police bullshit, man im not someone that likes to label people but police have deff not ever done me any good
 
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