cus they arnt meant to be a big mountain ski. meant to be an all mountain twin, which indeed they are. depending on what type of skiing you do, theyll be great. to soft for my liking, but we get alot of really super hard shit, and i ride fast and agressivly, so the tips chatterd alot. other than the chatter and the softness, which was actually fun in spring and those kind of conditions, i actually really liked them. pm me if you want more information or detail on hwo they skied.