Pivots or tyrolias

tomfoolery

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need to get next seasons bindings while they are on sale, for you guys that have skied attacs and pivots in park which did you prefer?
 
14534260:Newsheepers said:
pivots are good for your acl like you could literally tear your acl in pivots but it wouldn't actually tear
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Can confirm, I only own Pivot bindings for this reason. I was skiing this season and heard the characteristic "snap" of an ACL when I went down hard. Knee felt whack as hell, got an MRI and it was only strained... I attribute the strained ACL rather than a torn ACL to my bindings
 
Well first off - pivots don’t help with acl. That’s an urban legend. They just have more elastic travel which means you don’t pre-release as much or lose your ski after big impact. Basically, the binding absorbs some impact and allows your boot to move some without kicking you out.

I have both. I have more attacks than pivots because of the price but both are great bindings. honestly, I like pivots more but it just comes down to my own preference
 
When I first started skiing I asked the same thing and bought Tyrolias. I skied on them for 2 weeks before selling the bindings and have nothing but pivots on 5 pairs of skis. Pre releases almost killed me. Had multiple reputable shops check them out and they all said they were fine. Did my own release tests, forward pressure checks, etc. Tyrolias are good bindings if you suck at skiing.

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pivots are the gold standard according to most of us. the "they're safer" thing is a bit of an urban legend that basically started because 10-20 years ago most bindings were fuckin garbage so a lot of people would jack their DINs up crazy high and that obv can lead to disaster, whereas pivots weren't/aren't known for pre-releasing so we all felt more comfortable reasonable DIN levels on em. nowadays other brands have caught back up with dependable bindings that have elastic travel. also some pivot/FKS models are basically all metal which results in great longevity/durability

attacks are great bang for the buck and light so go with those if budget or weight is a key factor for you

salomon STH has built a very good reputation as well if you see a good price (really satisfying click-in on those too btw)
 
If you’re on a budget get attacks. If you want the best get pivots.

pivots can be had for really good prices if you search.
 
Imo attacks feel sloppy but the pair I had may not have been set right, but if your concerned about cost you could get used pivots or try and see if you can find a pair of fks
 
Everybody always talkin about pivot vs attack but real ones know STH’s look the coolest and are the best binding ever ???
 
Funny Pivot story.

I have a bunch of skis and all of them have Pivots. This year I went from a 130bsl to a 120bsl boot. On one pair of skis I forgot to adjust the fp for the smaller bsl. I skied several days on the skis with no releases and no issues until I noticed some small movement in my heels and realized WTF was going on.
 
14534565:bustedpivot said:
Funny Pivot story.

I have a bunch of skis and all of them have Pivots. This year I went from a 130bsl to a 120bsl boot. On one pair of skis I forgot to adjust the fp for the smaller bsl. I skied several days on the skis with no releases and no issues until I noticed some small movement in my heels and realized WTF was going on.
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Do you have hooves? What is your real BSL?
 
topic:thanos7thstoner said:
need to get next seasons bindings while they are on sale, for you guys that have skied attacs and pivots in park which did you prefer?
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I’ve had both and for weight purposes I like the attacks way more. Unless your doing big spins I don’t really see a point in pivots attacks are goated
 
14534260:Newsheepers said:
pivots are good for your acl like you could literally tear your acl in pivots but it wouldn't actually tear
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14534274:Quaggy said:
Can confirm, I only own Pivot bindings for this reason. I was skiing this season and heard the characteristic "snap" of an ACL when I went down hard. Knee felt whack as hell, got an MRI and it was only strained... I attribute the strained ACL rather than a torn ACL to my bindings
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That's not how it works at all.
 
Get STH2’s. Super sturdy, fairly light, havnt had a single pre release issue with them in 2 seasons. Click in is butter almost everytime
 
14534587:Session said:
That's not how it works at all.
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I was trying to provide OP with some anecdotal evidence, turns out my attribution was incorrect! But here is some legitimate evidence from user [tag=133130]@s-hand[/tag] (PM him, he's got the paper somewhere):

"NO. The rotating heel allows for more elasticity which prevents pre-release and makes the bindings less likely to putt out. It does NOT help prevent ACL injuries. If you look at the heel, it is clear to see why this is the case. There is not a degree of release freedom in the heel. The boot will NOT release from the heel horizontally. The only binding on the market right now that actually has a horizontal degree of release freedom in the heel is the Knee binding.

Believe me; I just researched and wrote a 6500 word engineering research paper on the topic."

Could it be argued that my outcome would have been the same or different if I had on Tyrolias or any other binding? It would be difficult unless it was in a controlled setting... but still... I ain't broke, so catch me on Pivots
 
I have a few sets of skis and I have the Pivots and the Attacks. They are my go to choices for bindings. The pivots are made better in my opinion and withstand abuse better. My only issue with pivots is if you try to put them back on in some pow its like solving a puzzle. I think the attacks might be a bit better at absorbing rough stuff but the integrity of them is just shy of the pivots. Of course, it will depend on what skis you mount them on, and if the guy at the ski shop is high when he is mounting them.
 
Knee binding and tyrolia protector series *

14534613:Quaggy said:
There is not a degree of release freedom in the heel. The boot will NOT release from the heel horizontally. The only binding on the market right now that actually has a horizontal degree of release freedom in the heel is the Knee binding.
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14534613:Quaggy said:
I was trying to provide OP with some anecdotal evidence, turns out my attribution was incorrect! But here is some legitimate evidence from user [tag=133130]@s-hand[/tag] (PM him, he's got the paper somewhere):

"NO. The rotating heel allows for more elasticity which prevents pre-release and makes the bindings less likely to putt out. It does NOT help prevent ACL injuries. If you look at the heel, it is clear to see why this is the case. There is not a degree of release freedom in the heel. The boot will NOT release from the heel horizontally. The only binding on the market right now that actually has a horizontal degree of release freedom in the heel is the Knee binding.

Believe me; I just researched and wrote a 6500 word engineering research paper on the topic."

Could it be argued that my outcome would have been the same or different if I had on Tyrolias or any other binding? It would be difficult unless it was in a controlled setting... but still... I ain't broke, so catch me on Pivots
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It’s called a pivot because the heel pivots on your tibial axis, it was designed back in the day to protect skiers from spiral fractures. Yes, it dramatically reduces the rotating stress on your lower leg. Will it save you from a backwards twisting injury, no, but it will reduce the stress on the ligaments and bones in the lower leg. It is one of a few bindings that can say the heel and toe work together to absorb shock and release or retain the skier. It’s less than 6500 words, but it’s real world experience. Ask any tech how has used a Vermont caliber binding tester which binding has the smoothest release. 9 of 10 will say pivot, the other tech never tested the binding but signed off on it anyway.
 
Pivots, have had mine for two seasons and absolutely love them. I don't ski much park, mostly freeride stuff. only release when I want them to. NO pre-releases. honestly, ya cant go wrong with either. get whatever you can afford.
 
If you can find new, old, overstocked pivots (OG forza green/orange, orange fks, etc.) cop those. Or get new 14s because I’ve heard numerous people breaking the 15s
 
14535031:itzPebbs said:
If you can find new, old, overstocked pivots (OG forza green/orange, orange fks, etc.) cop those. Or get new 14s because I’ve heard numerous people breaking the 15s
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Show me a picture of a broken 15 and I'll show you ten broken 14s. I don't mean pull outs, broken screws, heel plates, any of that.
 
14535047:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
Company called crasheur out of Montana
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Don’t think these are his work. He’s never posted these schemes before. Not to mention he sells his customs on the site. This guy is a buys out old stock of random shit from places going under.
 
I think you’re right. I mistook these for the crasheur winter camo

14535049:PartyBullshiit said:
Don’t think these are his work. He’s never posted these schemes before. Not to mention he sells his customs on the site. This guy is a buys out old stock of random shit from places going under.
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14535097:PartyBullshiit said:
They look like real tree camo.
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Ya the only camo ones I could see online were the crashuer snow camo ones. I need to know where the fuck this dude found these lol. No way someone is selling knock-off pivots right?
 
14535099:Don_Kedic said:
Ya the only camo ones I could see online were the crashuer snow camo ones. I need to know where the fuck this dude found these lol. No way someone is selling knock-off pivots right?
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I know look has done batches of special editions. This is not unheard of. They sometimes post little clips of random ones on their IG page. Very well may have been a one off batch for a shop.
 
14535040:Non_State_Actor said:
Show me a picture of a broken 15 and I'll show you ten broken 14s. I don't mean pull outs, broken screws, heel plates, any of that.
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14s are indestructible. I know several people who have broken half moon plates on 15s after not even one season. And broken heel plates might as well be a broken binding because you have to pull the heel piece to replace it.
 
14536361:itzPebbs said:
14s are indestructible. I know several people who have broken half moon plates on 15s after not even one season. And broken heel plates might as well be a broken binding because you have to pull the heel piece to replace it.
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You do realize the 14/15/18 all have the same heel pieces. So your indestructibl 14 heel is the exact same as the 15/18 you claim everyone breaks. Lmao
 
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