Pivot bindings worth it?
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BigScaryLarry
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I wrote a paper on this and Pivots/FKS are safer than your average binding but not as as safe as the Knee binding. However that being said no binding will ever truly protect you from a knee injury. The best thing you can do to prevent a knee injury is to be knowledgable about the way that knee injuries happen and train yourself to prevent them in your skiing. For example landing very backseat and trying to turn out and stand back up is one of the most common ways to blow out your knee.
Rum_Ham
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13855601:Deepskier said:
It's a common misconception that turntable heels allow for lateral release but they don't. Pivots are basically the same as any other binding in terms of safety. The only advantage is heel elasticity, but thats not really a reason to take attacks off and get pivots.
JWillySkeez
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I personally run them on all of my skis. I just like how solid the 18's are. They also mount super close to the ski so IMO you get better ski feel.
Rum_Ham
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13855612:Deepskier said:
No, they don't.
https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/...ossignol-fks-any-safer-than-a-normal-binding-
snowpocalypse
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No it does not successfully prevent ACL tears. Done, end of conversation.........
Its extremely durable and is very elastic. Note nothing about safer. The issue is, kids getting Pivots because that's what so and so rides and it must be the best binding. They crank it up the 12 and weight only 130lbs. Not a good combo. Ride your DIN or a "little" higher and don't max the binding out and you will be alright.
Its extremely durable and is very elastic. Note nothing about safer. The issue is, kids getting Pivots because that's what so and so rides and it must be the best binding. They crank it up the 12 and weight only 130lbs. Not a good combo. Ride your DIN or a "little" higher and don't max the binding out and you will be alright.
SofaKingSick
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they are excellent bindings, but so are Attacks
no they are not *technically* safer or better for your knees but they are top of the line bindings that have a reputation earned over decades for not pre releasing, and therefore do not need to be set to higher DINs (like people who prerelease are prone to do on other bindings), and this has gotten them a reputation for being "safer"
moreover they are low to the ski which people love, but i think attacks have a good "stack height" as well.
there's no need to get pivots now instead of your attacks, but it is a binding worth considering another time. they are also super durable-- my current pair ive owned since 2003 and ive put them through hell
no they are not *technically* safer or better for your knees but they are top of the line bindings that have a reputation earned over decades for not pre releasing, and therefore do not need to be set to higher DINs (like people who prerelease are prone to do on other bindings), and this has gotten them a reputation for being "safer"
moreover they are low to the ski which people love, but i think attacks have a good "stack height" as well.
there's no need to get pivots now instead of your attacks, but it is a binding worth considering another time. they are also super durable-- my current pair ive owned since 2003 and ive put them through hell
SofaKingSick
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if i recall correctly, the Line Reactor binding tried to have a lateral release but they were total pieces of shit and didnt take off
knee bindings might too but theyve never gotten popular, i forget why
knee bindings might too but theyve never gotten popular, i forget why
Zypher
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13855615:JWillySkeez said:
The attacks have a lower stack height than the pivots so in reality the attacks have better boot to ski interface than the pivots but not by much. I believe the attacks are at 17mm stack height and the pivots are either at 19mm or 20mm. That being said, the heel elasticity gives you a slightly better drive than the attacks. I personally run attacks on most of my skis because of the lightness of them but I also run axials and pivots on my other skis that I carve more with to get a slightly better engaged turn. Either binding is good, its all about personal preference.
13855706:Mort.Mcfly said:
Usually is the key word here. It all depends on how hard you ski and how you treat your gear. I've seen bindings blow up and bindings last a life time and it all depends on how you take care of your equipment. That being said, tyrolias have the advantage here because if you break anything at all on pivots of FKS you can expect a 70+ dollar fee in order to fix it.
Deepskier
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13855942:Poindexter. said:
I'm already over this thread, don't care that much. I fuck with pivots either way. I belive you as there are open sides in a toe piece and a sliding AFD (also for easy replacing) but I belive you can kick some ones heels out while the toe stays somewhat in place.
BigScaryLarry
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13855936:Poindexter. said:
Medical papers about knee injuries in sports and skiing. Mostly papers on ski racers and mogul skiers cuz no one writes papers on park rats lol. I then used that and other research to study the body mechanics of the knee and how it interacts with bindings and their different points of release. If I can find the paper I'll post it but it was on my old laptop. It was about 14+ pages long tho
skierman
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13855936:Poindexter. said:
Common sense mostly. Don't be a jackass. If you're landing heavy backseat, just fall. There's no point in trying to ride it out. Most knee injuries happen because jackasses pull that crap. I've destroyed my knees due to overshooting and casing jumps but I have never pulled/torn any ligaments because I collapse like a rag doll if shit aint going right.
bradwalters
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I definitely blew my ACL riding Pivots but it was my error. If you get the 18's just be modest with your setting because those things will lock you to your ski and then some.
Still my go-to binding and always will be.
**This post was edited on Nov 19th 2017 at 4:42:19pm
Still my go-to binding and always will be.
**This post was edited on Nov 19th 2017 at 4:42:19pm