Pivot 12 vs 14

SchizoSkier

SchizoSkier

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This will get a bunch of dislikes

anyway

the pivot price is up and the stock markets down and you’re only getting mugged if you go downtown….. pivot 14s are expensive asf and pivot 12s are a little cheaper but I mainly ski jumps and will be doing dubs and stuff , will pivot 12s still be good? I only have ever skied pivot 14s but should I just take my L and spend the extra 70 bucks for the 14s. I’m 6 foot 185 lbs
 
Practically same bindings. Only change is the spring.

If you are running 10 din or higher, consider 14 so you are (ideally) more central in the din range. If not, save the $ for beer and go 12.
 
What's up OP,

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The top binding in this picture has a 0.5cm higher toe baseplate than if if you were to use the bottom binding.

I'm sure someone, somewhere will tell you that 0.5cm in binding height makes a difference in your ability to initiate a turn or grip a rail but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
unless you run a 12 or higher din, you’ll be fine.

the real issue comes when you’re debating 14 v 15 because then you’re taking in weight/durability

but yeah 12 and 14 are 98% the same exact binding
 
The main difference is the toe piece. The 15 pivot has the toe with more elastic travel. The 15 also has a metal housing. You can get a couple seasons out of the 15 pivot
 
Where did you read this?

14461947:Quaggy said:
What's up OP,

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The top binding in this picture has a 0.5cm higher toe baseplate than if if you were to use the bottom binding.

I'm sure someone, somewhere will tell you that 0.5cm in binding height makes a difference in your ability to initiate a turn or grip a rail but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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14461967:mohawkskier said:
The main difference is the toe piece. The 15 pivot has the toe with more elastic travel. The 15 also has a metal housing. You can get a couple seasons out of the 15 pivot
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Why are you talking about the 15?
 
14461947:Quaggy said:
What's up OP,

View attachment 1050430

The top binding in this picture has a 0.5cm higher toe baseplate than if if you were to use the bottom binding.

I'm sure someone, somewhere will tell you that 0.5cm in binding height makes a difference in your ability to initiate a turn or grip a rail but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Bet that crack be hittin good cuz the 14s and 12s are exactly the same just with a stiffer spring. Binding you are referring to in the bottom pic is neither a 12 nor is it a 14
 
14462006:tdollo said:
Bet that crack be hittin good cuz the 14s and 12s are exactly the same just with a stiffer spring. Binding you are referring to in the bottom pic is neither a 12 nor is it a 14
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Oh whoops, my apologies guys!

I thought OP was asking about something besides just the din, I get the FKS/Look toe pieces mixed up without lookin' at 'em... 12, 14, 15, 18, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Snag some 15 or 18 Pivots though OP, they're more durable, the lil' window breaks off the 12/14 pretty easy, albeit an easy fix, just less than ideal.

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14's are where its at in my opinion. The wings on the toe piece rotate in such a way that no other binding will [in extreme circumstances]. Twice now I've ejected and come back to my ski to find the wings rotated 90 degrees - the toe piece is completely comprised at that point but I like to think that motion saved my knees. I keep my dins at 12 and only eject when I'm absolutely supposed to.
 
14461969:Chunderface said:
Where did you read this?
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Here are the measurements I was talking about, give or take a few 0.01cm

1050496.jpegLooks like the 18 gives you the most "low profile" of the mounts, followed by the old style 14, then the new style 14
 
14462292:SchizoSkier said:
10 I’m just worried that it’s pushing it for pivot 12s
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i'm fairly sure the "avoid the end of the din range" thing is pretty much a myth so personally i wouldn't base my actions on that. unless there's a chance you move up to 12+ within this pair's lifespan, i say you're fine with the 12s

and theyre identical besides the springs, this isn't like deciding between 12/14s (plastic toe piece) vs 15s/18s (metal toe piece [more durable, works with CAST])
 
14462292:SchizoSkier said:
10 I’m just worried that it’s pushing it for pivot 12s
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14462293:SofaKingSick said:
i'm fairly sure the "avoid the end of the din range" thing is pretty much a myth so personally i wouldn't base my actions on that. unless there's a chance you move up to 12+ within this pair's lifespan, i say you're fine with the 12s
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I rode my Pivot 12's at a 10 DIN for years, no issues.

Additionally, the "avoid the end of the din range" argument is a fair argument, but not for the reasons everyone uses. The bindings are certified to work at any value within their range. You can ski a Pivot 12 at 12 just fine without causing damage to the binding / worrying about incorrect releases.

The real reason for the "avoid the end of the din range" argument is it doesn't leave you much room to move your DIN up if you choose to start skiing significantly more aggressively and need to bump it up, i.e. if you ski at a 12 and suddenly realize you need to be at a 14 (for whatever reason) you don't have the ability to crank it up. People shoot for the middle of the DIN range so they have plenty of +/- range if they need to change it, not because the binding doesn't work at the extreme ranges.
 
14462295:hot.pocket said:
I rode my Pivot 12's at a 10 DIN for years, no issues.

Additionally, the "avoid the end of the din range" argument is a fair argument, but not for the reasons everyone uses. The bindings are certified to work at any value within their range. You can ski a Pivot 12 at 12 just fine without causing damage to the binding / worrying about incorrect releases.

The real reason for the "avoid the end of the din range" argument is it doesn't leave you much room to move your DIN up if you choose to start skiing significantly more aggressively and need to bump it up, i.e. if you ski at a 12 and suddenly realize you need to be at a 14 (for whatever reason) you don't have the ability to crank it up. People shoot for the middle of the DIN range so they have plenty of +/- range if they need to change it, not because the binding doesn't work at the extreme ranges.
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^^^ This, thanks for clearing this up. Running the Pivot 12 at a 10 DIN and the Pivot 14 at a 10 DIN is no different.
 
How are the Pivot 14 toe pieces?

I have an extra pair kicking around off a pair of skis I bought used but never mounted. I used to rock the old 14 toe piece before the 15's were an option.
 
if i’m running dins at 8 or 9 do you reckon it’s worth the extra hundred bucks for durability’s sake

14461949:SlitherySnake said:
unless you run a 12 or higher din, you’ll be fine.

the real issue comes when you’re debating 14 v 15 because then you’re taking in weight/durability

but yeah 12 and 14 are 98% the same exact binding
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14494904:will.irwin said:
if i’m running dins at 8 or 9 do you reckon it’s worth the extra hundred bucks for durability’s sake
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no

if your dins are that low i’m assuming you aren’t hitting things that you need to have your bindings stay on for safety reasons, so the durability will probably go unnoticed
 
14462147:s_double_ said:
14's are where its at in my opinion. The wings on the toe piece rotate in such a way that no other binding will [in extreme circumstances]. Twice now I've ejected and come back to my ski to find the wings rotated 90 degrees - the toe piece is completely comprised at that point but I like to think that motion saved my knees. I keep my dins at 12 and only eject when I'm absolutely supposed to.
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Are you saying that the binding is no longer used after the wings rotate? That is not true, it rotates back and you're good to go.
 
14495593:TOAST. said:
Are you saying that the binding is no longer used after the wings rotate? That is not true, it rotates back and you're good to go.
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Lmfaooo imagine this dude just buys brand new $400 pivots every time he eject hard enough to twist the toe piece
 
14462147:s_double_ said:
14's are where its at in my opinion. The wings on the toe piece rotate in such a way that no other binding will [in extreme circumstances]. Twice now I've ejected and come back to my ski to find the wings rotated 90 degrees - the toe piece is completely comprised at that point but I like to think that motion saved my knees. I keep my dins at 12 and only eject when I'm absolutely supposed to.
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What are you on that you think the binding is done if the wings rotate ?? that’s the entire point of the design
 
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