i understand that, but most of the time esspically this year every thing other than the trails themselves were dirt or grass cuz the weather was consistant. when i go up to northern michigan which is like a 4.5 hour drive there is some natural stuff thats fun to jib. but really, i have been skiing at the same place for a long ass time and there is much natural stuff. sometims we get bored in the park and look for natural jibs...but there arent any besides jumping of this fake 15 foot mini cliff thing we have that u have to be going about 40mph to get any real fun out of it and the landing is a trail beneth it full of beginner skiers.