Pentagon: Colleges must hand over names

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ThaLorax

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Just found this article. I think it's complete bullshit personally. If I want to opt out of military recruitment I should be able to. They're acting like being recruited for the military is on the same level as getting recruited to sign up for a 9-5 office job.

Here's the link to the article but sine you're all too lazy to click the link and then read it, i'll post it below the link for your convenience:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/03/military_recruiters_schools_033108w/

Pentagon: Colleges must hand over names

By Rick Maze - Staff writer

Posted : Wednesday Apr 2, 2008 14:12:38 EDT

The Defense Department has announced a new get-tough policy with

colleges and universities that interfere with the work of military

recruiters and Reserve Officer Training Corps programs.

Under

rules that will take effect April 28, defense officials said they want

the exact same access to student directories that is provided to all

other prospective employers.

Students can opt out of having their

information turned over to the military only if they opt out of having

their information provided to all other recruiters, but schools cannot

have policies that exclude only the military, defense officials said in

a March 28 notice of the new policy in the Federal Register.

The

Defense Department “will honor only those student ‘opt-outs’ from the

disclosure of directory information that are even-handedly applied to

all prospective employers seeking information for recruiting purposes,”

the notice says.

Directories are an important recruiting tool

because they include the names, birthdates, phone numbers and academic

pursuits of college students that can be used to identify people with

knowledge and interests that are particularly useful to the military.

The

new policy also no longer lets schools ban military recruiters from

working on campuses solely because a school determines that no students

have expressed interest in joining the military. If other employers are

invited, the military has to have the same access.

Federal

funding can be cut off if colleges and universities do not give

recruiters and ROTC programs campus access. While student financial

assistance is not at risk, other federal aid, especially research

funding, can disappear if a school does not cooperate.

The

Pentagon can declare colleges or universities anti-ROTC if they

prohibit or prevent a Senior ROTC program from being established,

maintained or efficiently operated.

The new policy is, in part,

the result of a 2006 U.S. Supreme Court decision that upheld the

federal government’s ability to use funding as a means of forcing equal

access for military recruiters and ROTC units on campuses.

Thoughts?
 
I honestly do not have too much of a problem with this.

While it is the military, it's not like their access to your information will have any negative side effects. Worst case scenario is you get a couple calls from a recruiter offering you a job in the military. Hell, this could even help out some kids who can't get hired after graduation. While the job market is in the dumps they could work for the military in a field related to their major, and this would get them a job, veterans benefits, and a nice resume.

While I don't think that private universities should have to hand over information on their students, I don't think this is all too bad. It's not like the army is forcing you to join, its can now just contact certain people they're interested in.
 
not that big of a deal, just means a little bit more junk mail.

its not like you will be forced into service or anything
 
well then I guess that is just a good reason to get a good eduction. If you are highly educated, you aren't going to be on the front lines if a draft is ever put in to place.
 
i think if there was a draft, we wouldn't ever start another meaningless war. I for one would be happy to serve my country.
 
What is the problem with this. Why should the military not be given the same opportunities as other employers.

I would honestly not complain with a draft. but only if it was 100% no way out of it. everyone serves 2 years mandatory conscription. male and female, ya don't serve ya don't vote.

Everyone then serves the country, and everyone's sons and daughters serve the country. do you think the politicians would be as excited to go to war if they knew that their kids would end up on the front lines?

Also this would give everyone two years of income with low cost of living expense. add that to the G.I bill and this enables more people to go to college and get a higher level of education.

And for those that decide not to go to college (because it is not for everyone), it allows them to start out with money and the ability to get settled and start a family.

 
^I strongly disagree with you. EVEN in your perfect world situation that would not be helpful for America in any way. And that's in a perfect world, which this isn't. Do you really think the politicians couldn't get their kids out of it? Do you really want the asain kid that sits next to you in your math class that's a decade younger than you going to war when he could be doing something useful for this world?

PS fuck you america, i will never go to war for you
 
I think you need to understand that the military doesn't only do infantry work...and mandatory service (which is what McCaine wants) does not mean armed forces. Obviously someone who has more skill in the scientific areas or can be a great lawyer won't end up in the passenger seat of a camo green jeep, rolling through the middle east.
 
for once I agree with you.

sure a lot of the roles in the military are combat oriented. however there are plenty that are not.

look at switzerland, they find something for everyone to do. not allways combat oriented (especialy for people who are 4f).

and why do you think you should not have to go to war for America (I am opposed to Iraq war by the way and have been since they first started talking about it) and if you don't then who should.
 
what does it really matter if they call you and u have no interest tell them to fuck off. just cause they casn call you doesnt mean u have to enlist. they used to call me all the time after i graduated high scholl and i literally told them to fuck off. thats all you have to do.
 
If credit card companies can weasel into students' personal information, military recruitment should be able to as well.
 
They didn't have this information before? Our university directory is online for anyone, not just university students and employees, to use. Since when does the government have trouble getting information about people? Recruiting calls from the army will be at most a minor inconvenience.
 
stop watching mtv. i remember being young and watching mtv say george w bush was going to impose a draft if he was elected and guess what? THAT WAS TOTAL BULLSHIT. there is not going to be a draft. don't believe that propaghanda.
 
so do i. i say it a lot but i'm in the navy and cant wait to leave. it really is a good option if college isn't for you. and the thing is, i'll still be going to college for free when i get my head screwed on straight.
 
what?

that doesn't even make sense?

i don't know why i'm even replying to this, considering i can assume you are 12 years old and definitely won't be voting in the upcoming election.
 
fuck that I am not gonna die in a war. call me unpatriotic, but I just dont see us fighting any wars to defend our soil any time soon. and if the country isnt in danger, then the war isn't worth dying for. sure it might still be meaningful, but I'd only die to defend america. key word is DEFEND.
 
I went on a field trip with my auto class to visit the National Guard in high school, and apparently that gave them enough information to contact me. What followed was about 30 seperate calls from recruiters over the course of a year--really fucking annoying. I really don't understand why they think I would get annoyed into joining the military, but it didn't work. I think if people want to join they'll be able to drive a couple miles to the nearest recruitment office, I know repeated calls from clueless recruitment guys offering the same thing just soured my impression of the armed forces.
 
Military has plenty of jobs that are not even a combat MOS..
Think of the airforce navy coast guard plenty of great jobs..
I came from the army with a combat MOS but shit even with my combat MOS i could become a officer with my infantry job and do all my work behind a desk making 60,000 a year

MILITARY IS AMAZING

gi bill
free housing.
free food
benefits
work with amazing people that all are professionals
 
You guys realize that colleges had out your information to tons of different places. All this would do is send it to the army recruters(sp?). They would just send you the same bullshit in the mail like before you went to college.
 
I don't like the idea of credit card companies having my information as well. And don't get me started on companies like Acxiom selling my personal information to companies. If you're interested in joining the army (or getting nearly any job), by all means, do it on your own accord. It's not like college students should be the target of the military anyways. We're the "future" of the country's economic prosperity.

Also, why are so many of you so nonchalant about other people having access to your personal information? It doesn't creep you out in the slightest that companies like Acxiom are selling your social security number and even what color hair you have to other companies?
 
Our entire economic system is based on companies having access to people's personal information. Otherwise giving out credit to people would be an unacceptable risk.

 
That's why you ask for information instead of taking it. I personally equate that with a cop searching my home for evidence without a warrant. Either way they didn't have permission to get the "information".
 
Credit bureaus don't ask for information; they take it. And sell it. They don't need your permission, because if they did, nobody would give their permission to report late payments, bankruptcies, foreclosures, etc.
 
Yeah seriously man, its not that big of a deal. You live in this country so its only right they they'll try to contact you with job listings. And like previously stated not everything is combat orintated. have some repsect for the people who are trying to make this country a better place, alot of them dont like whats going on anymore then you do
 
isnt that how it is in italy which makes them an incredibly pacifist nation? i dont know if i see it realistically working, but if it could be established in the ideal situation, it could work.

that being said, if theres ever a wartime draft along the lines of vietnam, america can suck my dick. maybe im an egomaniac, but being an atheist, i see my life as far more important than the political goals of our president. i have no desire to die for this country, or any country for that matter.
 
if you dont die first.

i suppose my above rant is somewhat extreme, and i see your point. the military certainly provides a sound base for a lot of people. at the same time, it bothers me that people need the military to do that. we could have the same organization (ideally! not realistically any time soon) without the whole death/war part.

maybe im a cocky bastard. maybe i take "freedom" and whatever you associate with that word for granted. ill be the first to admit im a coward. as a coward, i say fuck dying for america.
 
you say this after calling somebody else out for submitting to propaganda. maybe your leader/ whoever tells you about the danger our country is in doesnt read the same news i read. or maybe he or she is somewhat biased toward military involvement, being in the military.

 
i more or less believe that my time here to live is very short and currently im enjoying it. ending my entire existence forever in the name of an establishment run by people who dont necessarily represent me doesnt turn me on, no matter how glorious or patriotic you make it sound. it wont matter any more when the casket lid closes.
 
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