Palin on foreign policy.

Worst GOP ticket in any of our lifetimes! - Posted by danstoned

(found his name to be kinda funny in the comments box at the bottom)

 
I dont understand why sitting down and talking with leaders, even Ahmadinejad, is considered to be beyond foolish for some people. Its difficult for wars to break out between nations that trade and talk freely. Nations that shun each other and close borders however...

"Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate." - JKF
 
hahahahahah

she thinks she has a "perspective" on the world because she reads books and works.

hahahaha.
 
Haha ya, she just acted like she was on her high horse and better than people who didn't do that.

I mean I'm all for books and working hard, if you don't work hard I find it hard to respect you. Thing is, I doubt she really works that hard.
 
she has 5 kids, and is the governor of alaska, no offense, but i bet she works quite a bit harder than you're giving her credit for.

I thought she came off as kind of an idiot when talking about the bad guys vs. good guys thing. But, I thought the part where she said she didn't have the opportunity to travel around the world fresh out of college like many prep students, was the one part I thought she made a decent point...I just think out of all the parts of that interview where you could find faults in her arguments, that one was probably the most sound, and the easiest for most people to relate to.
 
Oh fuck, didn't know she had 5 kids. Damn. I guess she might work hard, but not smart.

How is she going to have family values and raise 5 kids, a pregnant daughter, and a kid with downs syndrome?
 
I'm assuming you mean "how is she going to have time to be the VP and raise 5 kids, a pregnant daughter, and a kid with downs"?

cause otherwise i don't really get the question.
 
Ahh yes, that's what I mean.

Although the whole family values thing is just weird, they call it "family values," rather than "anti-fag, rights to abortion, and sex education" and whatnot, but probably just cause it sounds nicer.

Just like I'm pro choice, and it's pro choice, rather than "pro-abortion rights". Cause it just sounds nicer.
 
You can read all the travel books and visit all the museums, but that doesnt substitute for going there. Anyone who's visited another country would agree. Moreover, books and museums are useless for foreign policy experience. Please. She got a passport last year, that says it all.
 
I agree, and i think she would agree with that too. She's just saying that she's learned the best she could from the mediums she had available to her. Everyone would like the ability to travel the world.
 
Pretty much anyone living in the US has the ability to travel the world if they really want to. If you're truly interested in other countries, you'll find a way to get there, even when you're pulling less than 40k a year.
 
Yes a great quote, but unfortunately he had terrible foreign policy and no experience as a military leader. He pretty much hung people out to dry in the Bay of Pigs and had no idea what to do when Khruschev threw nukes into Cuba. He was very young and inexperienced, but a great speaker who convinced the nation to love him. It's important to remember that the top of the military chain of command is the president, and he represents the entire Air Fore, Army, Marines, and Navy. He should know what he's doing there, or the nation could have much bigger worries than how much money is in everyone's mutual fund.
 
Yeah, I read the last time you said this word for word in the "why don't we do what we want to do thread"...

I think you're speaking from a privleged perspective, and it would be really naive of you to actually believe that.
 
But she is privileged. She's a state governor. She's had money for quite some time and yet still has never left our country. You'd think a person who truly had a respect and admiration of other cultures and had a desire to learn from them would at least travel ONCE in their life out of the country.
 
You can't be serious, the bay of pigs was a horrible idea drawn up and initiated by his chiefs of staff and over which the only real control he had was to give the go ahead.

And JFK was nothing but rock solid during the missile crisis. If his chiefs had had their way, Cuba would have been invaded, russians would have died, they would have moved against Berlin and there would've been war in Europe. His patience and willingness to negotiate until the last possible alternative was exhausted was one of the things which made him a great president.
 
She has been out of the country....

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I'm not to go there with you. It's not up for debate whether Canada or Mexico are considered other countries. Also, She's been overseas but people like to call those trips "brief" so they don't get credit either. I think she has experienced a very limited amount of travel, but people who say she's never ONCE been out of the country!!...what's the point of saying that if it's not true?

Nevertheless, She has quite a few children, she said she's worked her whole life, and so most likely she had responsibilities that kept her from the luxury of leaving.

It also could be that she's had tons of opportunities to travel, and she's an idiot and hasn't had the desire to, and doesn't really care to.

Either way, I'm just saying, if she says she'd have liked to visit other countries, but had responsibilities that kept her from doing so, I have no reason to doubt that. Seems reasonable.
 
I was trying to get my point across. I should have said she's never cared enough to learn from other cultures by actually experiencing them. And no, going on vacation is not learning about a culture, it's just a vacation.

And I really wish this whole "she has kids thing would stop." That's just an excuse that a lot of mothers would take offense to. Being a mother and having a job shouldn't describe who a person is solely.

With all of this said..why are people bitching. A big reason for having a VP is to have someone one your side who is stronger in some aspects because one can't know everything.

If Sarah Palin was smart (hard to say with a straight face) then she'd stop trying to talk foreign policy and admit its not her strong suit.
 
I agree with the last paragraph. Foreign policy is not Sarah Palin's strong suit. I just thought it was unfair for people to say she clearly doesn't CARE about other countries because she hasn't been there.

Anyway, with the mother thing, the point is that once you become a mother, you have more responsibilities. You have children to support and not just yourself. Same with fathers. It is far more difficult to pack up your belongings after college and travel the world, with a baby on your hip and another one on the way. That was the point that I was making.

I didn't say that mothers couldn't travel. I said it makes it far more difficult. And we were talking about sarah palin, she is a mother. If we were talking about a man, I'd say father.

Ex. My brother and his group of friends. Many of my brothers friends have been, or are currently on trips overseas, backpacking around, and trying to see as much of the world as possible before perhaps coming back and getting full time jobs or what have you. My brother, had a child at a young age, and chose to spend his money on a down payment for a house, and spend his time working to support his family/being a father.

I'm not saying you can't do both. Just that one has limited freedoms with a large family.
 
The Bay of Pigs would have worked fine if Kennedy had given the Naval and air support that was promised. And seriously, the "only real control he had was to give the go ahead"? You realize that's pretty much total control, right?

As for the missile crisis, he handled it well, sure...but it was because he guessed right. We'll never know what would have happened if he had chosen the invasion or airstrike options, just like if he had, we'd never know what would have happened using the quarantine. In the end, though, it was mutually assured destruction that saved the day in the Cuban Missile Crisis. That, and we got lucky...the whole world did.

 
Peace Corps dude, any volunteering really. Shit, it should be mandatory for all citizens to volunteer, maybe it would bring shit into perspective for them. Life isn't all about bettering your image, but bettering yourself.
 
Yay for double posts... What I was trying to get across in that nonsensical ramble, is that everyone does have the opportunity and should help out.
 
And its perfectly fine that everyone has an opportunity. That should not change. Just realize that not everybody is cut out for that sort of thing.
 
I really wish you could edit posts in these forums, it would save a lot of hassle. The Peace Corps thing was to show that you CAN visit other countries without being wealthy, which was brought up earlier. Instead of "volunteering," I meant people really should participate in some sort Humanitarian Aid, whether locally or internationally to get a real grasp on what goes on in this world, and see how grateful others can be that have so little. I think thats what im goin for anyway......
 
Completely unqualified for the job.

BUT

I am not convinced that choosing her was a bad decision for the republicans. She may be alientating democrats even more from her party, but I have a feeling she is getting a lot of support from working moms and rural-ites that can relate to her much more than they can relate to Obama. Hell, the fact that she just got a passport a year ago may be a selling point. There are a lot of people in the states who don't have pasports, and have never traveled nor have any intention to travel outside the country.

She's not exactly "worldly", but neither is a large part of the american population. I think a lot of people can relate to sarah palin, and regardless of whether they think she is qualified for the job or not, i think people will vote for her...and that's a shame but that's american politics.

 
what? you can visit a country outside of north america for less than 1 g, easy. almost anyone can save up that much.

if you support mccain its funny that you believe this is true, because the republican attitude is that anyone can succeed if they want to. post-high school education costs more than a grand for sure, so basically you're admitting that poor people can't help themselves.
 
That's the point... none of these people should under any circumstances be given the chance at individually running the country. Your typical rural-ite working mom with no passport or care for anything outside the USA's borders is as underqualified as it gets. I'm not sure if you're saying it's ridiculous that this sort of "identification" would actually gain anyone votes or not.
 
what? you're getting way sidetracked and putting words in my mouth.

a.) im a democrat

b.) the inability to travel across seas can have to do with a lot of things, not just money

c.) last time i checked there was financial aid to go to college

i think what it really comes down to, is how many responsibilities you have, and how high on your list of priorities travel is.

me, personally, id say that the ability to pay my bills, along with my desire to keep my job for that very reason and for others, are currently keeping me from travelling. Maybe I'll have that opportunity in the future when I'm able to save money for that type of thing, and my job offers me vacation time.
 
I dont think is naive at all, because you can travel the world on even a minimal budget. Sure, you arent going to be staying in nice hotels or going on sightseeing plane tours, but backpacking is cheap as shit. The most expensive part is the plane ticket, and even that can be cheap if you look around for options.
 
money wasn't my point there.

It's one of tons of reasons. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people out there who can't afford to leave their jobs. Having vacation at your job is a luxury. There are many people who have children at a relatively young age, and can't travel for that reason. Some kids grow up in a family that has expectations that they work, and help provide for the family as soon as they turn 16. There are a large number of families, where the head of the house can't work for whatever reason, and the family unit is dependant on income from the kids/young adults.

Some people choose education after high school, and pay for it using financial aid. In order to pay back their student loans they need to maintain employment.

but anyway, my main point was that people don't have the luxury of up-and-leaving (jobs/family).
 
Except in extreme situations, those are choices they make. At 18, you are your own person, and if your job sucks that bad, you will find another job or another way to make your dreams of traveling happen.

Back to Palin:

"Dont question Israel."

Dear god...
 
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Scary... whose foreign policy does that whole "Good vs. Evil" mentality remind you of? Anybody in particular? Starts with B...
 
so you like the fact that NS refers to her as a "dumb bitch" ?

why is that called for?

how bout someone makes a remark in a similar sense about Barack.... neither are called for.

 
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