Out with the new in with the old

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garrettjurach

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Personally i am getting tired of seeing way too much slo mo shot in 120fps on a fucked up expensive camera. I'm personally trying to bring back the old vintage shots from back in the day. Talking GL2 and VX1 footage. Most avid skateboard filmers still rock the vx because it has the illest shots. I don't think cameras can get much better so i think its time to start downgrading…. any thoughts?
 
To each their own, I still like a nice high res 1080p shot but I really enjoy 24fps motion in ski edits, no one does it and honestly watching full speed skiing is awesome.

120/240 have their place and yes, they are overused. It's cool to use older cameras, but a vx2k1 or gl2 shot still look fucking awful and who the fuck wants to log tape?
 
Lolwut? digital ftw. I can't stand when the quality is so low and fisheye'd that it takes away from the ballerness of the skiing.
 
Meh. I kinda like the dslr 1080p type footy. Like if you have a motocycle why the fuck would you downgrade to a less efficent, clunky, out of date, more difficult unicycle and the unicycle still makes you go super slow?
 
No. That shit can stay in skating. I do like the occasional skate edit shot with a vx1 but it's just not for skiing.
 
I feel like its a culture thing. I respect and enjoy the rawness that skateboard videos have with the oldschool filming, but when I watch ski videos, I'd prefer the higher end cameras.
 
like i said just an opinion thing. Personally i like the look of a grainy old shot tossed in to a video for a lifestyle instead of spending so much time to try and give it that look and use a film filter to make it look that way. not talking whole edits….. just the incorperation of some old film shots here and there really puts a video together well depending on the song used. But i guess its hard to justify in skiing when everyone wants the crisp 1080 shot
 
Thank you! Glad to know I'm not the only ski filmer with this opinion, and it's an opinion I've been wanting to say my two cents on for quite some time, because it simply seems like people don't understand what the hype's all about.

As a fan of skate/snowboard videos, Nothing gets me more hyped than an ill in-your-face fisheye shot. Glidecams and slo mo have become the cookie cutter style of filmmaking in skiing. For me, now a days nothing says lack of creativity like an entire edit at 40%. Having tried both styles (fish vs. glidecam/slomo), I can confidently say that getting a quality fisheye shot is far harder than my best most effortful glidecam shot.

The way I see it, filming 480p vx vids is more of a statement than anything, and it's a statement that I want to see become more prevalent in skiing: You don't need a $10,000 camera rig to make a good edit. All you need is good riding, a good soundtrack, and good editing. Sound familiar? It's the same statement Shane's WCS video was about.

Lastly, some skate videos I think are worth watching that are skate style and/or 480p. Maybe they will get a few of you stoked on skate style:

This one's a good mix between HD (fs700s and HVXs) and traditional skate style.

Bake and Destroy is probably the realest video I've ever watched. It is all about the skating and the good times associated with skating.

Another video worth watching is an interview with the guy who filmed bake and destroy. Shits funny as hell but speaks some real valid points as well:

http://emerica.com/made/download/

^Go buy it, it costs a dollar and is one of my favorite action sports flicks to date.

Hate it or love it, I think this style has already standed the test of time and will be around as long as action sports are. And on that note, I'm gonna stop ranting.
 
As much respect I have for beagle and skateboarding films in general, I think skateboard filmers in general are just trying to be "cool" beagle said it himself, they're trying to avoid using HD because its the cool thing to do and they're in turn "cool" for not using it and ton of guys praise them for it. I think its pretty cool beagle has literally been using the same camera for 15 years.

Now, do I think everyone should go out and mimic this? No.

I love snowboard videos, but I have a hard time getting too invested in them because I get so damn annoyed that the filmers either came from skateboarding and/or copy the style. I think fisheyes are fucking stupid, period. Standing in the middle of a rail as close as you can, pulling back and pushing back until you are 2" from the rail again is just as played as glidecam/followcaming that ski videos tend to have.

I can't stand the I Ride PC snowboard edits, its two dude with fisheyes and they literally don't shoot anything else, its the most annoying thing to watch and snowboarders/wannabe kids on NS jizz all over it. It looks fucking awful.

If you wanna make a cool edit be original, come up with your own ideas, film however you feel its natural, don't just copy someone elses style no matter what filming technique it is.

Baker movies aren't "awesome" cause theyre filmed on a vx with a death lens, they're sick because of the skaters and filmers style that is portrayed into the video.

Sometimes people care too much about how a video is filmed and don't just stop and watch the fucking video.
 
^For the most part, I agree with the things you said. Was honestly expecting way more hate.

I think the major different between fisheyes being played and glidecams being played is that the classic skate style has standed the test of time (as said before). Shit's been around since the 90's and I think it's here to stay. I think the first glidecam edits I watched were in 09/10 (Glide! was definitely one of em, props Evan), so we have yet to even see if the style will stay relevant. Given the trend of skiing copying snowboarding though, I think we will see a dramatic drop off soon. Even talking with some of the Level 1 guys, each year they get more and more stoked on on the visual appeal of fisheyes. And every year we see more and more guys filming with fisheyes.

In regards to IRPC snowboarding, I can't stand 90% of the snowboarder edits at PC nor 90% of the snowboarders at PC (but that's another subject). Those guys as you said are unoriginal as fuck for how big of a name they are in snowboarding. They pretty much are just riding the jocks of the VG flicks without mixing it up at all. However, I think there are some SLC crews that take the skate style, add a creative flair, and really make it something sick worth watching. Go scope underdawgs, segcos, and the recent dragon alliance videos– I think those guys are doing it right.

Last few sentences couldn't have been more spot on. a) Baker/Beagle is sick because of the lifestyles and the editing style. Although it wouldn't be the same if beagle shot HD, but the same exact story could be portrayed. b) I think we really do care far too much about filming and not enough about the riding, how we cut the shots, and the overall flow of a video. I can get just as much joy out of a glidecam ski edit as I can a vx/death lens ski edit, it simply depends on which one was truly better based on the previously stated criterion.
 
Maybe im biased cause i know a few of the guys, but Im a big fan of FootyFeind edits. the riding is fucking sick and the filming/editing is tastefully done in my eyes. plus the songs are always hilarious

Still going in from FootyFIEND.com on Vimeo.

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Braedon Wheeler 2013 from FootyFIEND.com on Vimeo.

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Master of Disguise - Brin Alexander from FootyFIEND.com on Vimeo.

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Panamera911 from FootyFIEND.com on Vimeo.

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i fully agree i just enjoy the look of them. its supposed to be about the riders and if you can make an old cam look sick i think it personally looks better. but thats just my opinion.
 
slow mo sucks it makes videos like longer and slower for some raisin. But becus I'm the innovativist here attach a go pro to your dong and make an edit. Hows that for out with the new in your ass…dick in the butt
 
A couple things I'd like to add

Eheath,

I have to agree and disagree with you. I fucking hate watching snowboard edits purely because I feel like I'm watching them film the rail the whole time, not the snowboarding. They exaggerate the movement with the fisheye so much that the rail is 90% of the subject. However, I must say that I LOVE a good fisheye shot. When done properly, a fisheye shot is as good as any other lens. It's all about how it's done.

It's true, glidecam shots are as played in skiing as fisheye shots are in snowboarding. That doesn't mean either of them should be completely ruled out. There's a time and place for everything.

Blatt is right. It doesn't matter what camera you film it on. I can appreciate a VX edit as much as an FS700 edit. Hell, often times I prefer the shitty footage. Don't get me wrong, watching shots in mega mo is awesome, but in no way is it necessary to make an effective video.

Example of dope fisheye shots as well as old footage done right:

The Trashparty - Vierli from The TrashParty on Vimeo.

And as far as some of you saying, "Why would you want to downgrade to old technology?" Well take a look at the photography world. Why the hell would anybody want to shoot film now that we have DSLRs and technology to make everything much easier? There's pros and cons to each, but you just can't get the same look with a DSLR as film. Same goes for videography. If that Trashparty edit was filmed on an FS700, it would not be nearly as intriguing as it is.

Just my 2 cents.

Don't say "Fuck fisheyes" or "Fuck glidecams", use it as appropriate.
 
thats what I'm looking at. even though a older dv tape camera will never get the look of a super 8 it still has its own unique shots that aren't your average dlsr shots anymore and i enjoy the style of.
 
damn are we all so ignorant? ReallY? When did choosing your gear become a choice of trends? I mean aren't cameras and lenses just tools?

I hear people saying that things are played and we need to be unique. I agree things are very played but why? Is it because everyone does it? Or everyone does it wrong? I mean you should use things for a reason to help your film. Use a glide cam when it is important for your film to have a smooth tracking shot. Use a fisheye when you need to add perspective to a shot and really show the technicality or danger of the trick. USE EVERYTHING FOR A REASON!!!!!!

Don't just say well glide cams are played so i am just going to use this fisheye all the time now. Or slow-motion is played lets only use real motion. Use a tool to get the best shot possible. I mean come on.

As for the video camera vx or red epic, haha. It does not matter what your shooting on.... as long as what your shooting on gives you what your trying to achieve. Shoot on whatever works for you. If you pick your gear like a carpenter would pick his tools your films will work out. Have an original idea and make it a reality. People need to stop caring about what other people are doing and care about there own work.

Just my opinion on the matter.

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Sorry for all the rhetorical questions. Also sorry for the afoul grammar and spelling.
 
I agree. I hate slowmo. Definitely prefer watching skiing in real speed. Slowmo has it's place; I hate watching edits where every shot is slowmo / partially slowed.
 
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