Origins of biblical scripture

GhostfaceKillah

GhostfaceKillah

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I'm not very well educated in traditional western religions (i.e. christianity), but from what I understand, great importance is placed in various divine scriptures which speak the words of God, prophecies of Gods son, etc... (excuse me if my details are inaccurate, that isn't of importance here)

what I was wondering was what are the origins of these divine scriptures exactly? and why are they taken as the word of God rather than the word of a very crafty author?

I don't want to start any debates here... I just want to know why these scriptures are taken as seriously as they are?

(i'm writting an essay, I dont plan on plagerizing anyone, I just want to hear a few ideas as a starting-point for my research)
 
well they are supposed to be "the words of god" conveyed onto paper. and people care so much because its supposed to be the words of god.

i donno what else to tell you. i dont really know why they follow it either
 
It's the Word of God whispered into the ears of the prophets. But no one else can hear and no one else can be around when they were written. It's complicated, hahahahhaa
 
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honestly it seems that somone thought they heard god telling them to write these scriptures, like the whole moses comming down the mtn w/ the 10 comandments thing. only he could hear the voice of god (lol) so it was up to him to engrave the tablets, but no one else could hear him so they had to just trust what he was sayin was true. all this comming from people who belived in monsters and heliocentisim( universe revolving around earth) and an entire religon was born

sounds like a case of sciztsofrenia to me, but what do i know i dont talk to god.
 
Its obviously just fiction but people have been told this garb since they were kids so they buy into it. Any rational person knows its all bunk even if they still go to church, they know its just a nice story.

Any religion debate will boil down to 2 facts. 1) No one knows what happens when you die. So you might as well prepare. 2) You can't prove or disprove anything to do with religion.

Even when portions of the bible completely contradict each other the response is usually something like "It is not written that way." or "God works in mysterious ways." Like hiding fossils in the ground so that non believers would doubt his existence...

Its all BS and the worst part is its often used to build hate and blind leadership. Look at Iran, hell look at the US.

The founding fathers of our country thought religion was a foolish crutch of the week. Hence the separation of church and state. A line which is so fucking blurred now that you have to be a religious man to even be considered for office. They also grew weed... How far we have come...

Ok you got me all pissed off and depressed now. Basically fuck religion, its stupid and it's fucking up the world. Stop being fucking retarded and embrace rational thought, go get yourself a degree in engineering. I worked fuck in there 4 times, pretty good.
 
It took hundreds of years to for thousands of Church scholars and authorities to assemble the modern Bible and decide which parts were "inspired by God" or simply written by crafty authors. There were a lot of scriptures that didn't make it into the Bible for various reasons.

Very few Christian denominations consider the Bible to be the literal word of God, mostly because there are dozens of contradictions in it, and the simple fact that it was recorded by humans. Also, the vast majority of modern Biblical scholars don't consider the Bible to be a historically factual book, but rather a compilation of insightful stories with morals. The Gospels are considered to be more historical than the rest of the Bible, since the Gospels were written by several people who didn't know each other, yet they tell very similar stories of Jesus' life.

Like any book, the Bible has to be considered in the context in which it was written. Unfortunately, it was written between two and four thousand years ago, which makes understanding the context pretty difficult.
 
Most of the Abrahamic religions evolved from earlier Mesopotamian and Egyptian religions, and sometimes not even religious, texts and historical documents. The notion of magic and mystery stems from the dawn of human history to the present, as a way of explaining that which is unexplainable. For example, the Great Flood - you may know this in the Old Testament as the story of Noah's Ark - in actuality was both an historical event and featured in both Mesopotamian history and the Epic of Gilgamesh (which also features the earliest known concept of interpersonal relations between gods and humans as well as a view into Mesopotamian culture). The Bible and the Old Testaments and Gospels, as well as the Qu'ran and the Popol Vuh are all unique explanations for the Origin of Things. Every culture has them or has had them at some point to explain mysteries and set moral standards for the time and originate from man's inability to explain phenomena.
 
It is completely the other way around. If you actually take a bit and think about evolution, you will realize how unlogical it is. Where do species get the new DNA needed to go from a fin to a leg? How come species aren't still evolving? Why is Earth the only place that can support life? The theory just doesn't make sense and people just cling to any hope that their is no God. They want to be the boss of their own lifes and they will believe anything to have it that way. There is much evidence that God exists and none that evolution exists. The media favours evolution, and thats why we hear so much about so called "evidence" of evolution. This "evidence" is never solid. For example, those fish that were said to have evolved millions of years ago into land species. They are still alive today. Is there any big news coverage on this? No. Also if you walk througth a museam you might see all sorts of models of creatures half evolved like those winged dinosour things. The scientist's who design these models often make them out of a single skull they found and make up the rest to fit into the evolution theory, or they just completely make it up. This tricks people into thinking there really is hard evidence for evolution when their really isn't. On the other hand, there are millions of people who will testify to all that God has done in their lives. I now you probably thinking "Yeah okay they just imagine it." But that's not true. It's something you can't really understand until you become a part of it. And before you say that theirs no hard evidence for God, thats the point. He wants you to chose to follow Him out of faith, not because there's so much evidence you just can't deny it.
 
You have got to be fucking kidding me man. Do you really think that the only place life exists ANYWHERE is on this planet? Ignorant much?
 
Do you mean fossils? We have fossil evidence of pterodactyls and other "winged dinosaur things" which PROVES they existed.

Please tell me you aren't one of those nuts that believes somebody ran around and planted fake fossils around the globe and that dinosaurs didn't exist? Holy fuck...
 
What God really is in a biblical sense is a explanation of the way the world works...people are self absorbed so they just presume that God created them in the image of themselves. If you read the bible and do your best to avoid male/human absorbance, it is a great book to live by that promotes healthy life, society, and creation...same goes for judaism, budhism, daoism, muslim...for the most part. I went to catholic school for 12 yrs btw
 
No no i know dinosours existed they just became extinct i mean those so bird dinosour type things and fish with legs.
 
Logic dude, this place is fucking logic, it exists in your head and allows you to think reasonably.

If the odds of life existing on Earth as we know it are 1^91828912899712797912793791279 or whatever crazy huge number it is, there is a possibility it exists elsewhere.

Do you agree with me that time is infinite? And if time is infinite, infinity > whatever-the-odds-of-life-existing-as-we-know-it are, which means you can hypothesize that life has existed or does exist elsewhere.
 
I'd like to refer you to a place called Logic and Statistics. And also the Searchbar. Look up the last thread on evolution. Maybe bring it up, read it, do whatever. Just don't start another evolution thread. For the love of God even.
 
Here is an image of a fossil with an arrow pointing to feathers of the dinosaur:

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And dude, if your whole argument that evolution is bogus is that dinosaurs didn't have feathers, you've got some work to do my friend.
 
well im trying to think of what they are called again. They are all those animals that are suposebledy half evolved. Like a fish with legs or a half ape half human. I dont base it all on feathers man
 
and i actually did read an article in a magazine once describing how those so called feather imprints are not actually feather imprints but i dont remember anything about it
 
I won't take highschool-grade skepticism with ease. You'd have to show an incredible amount of cleverness or intelligence, and the fact that you can't spell "hypothesis" or provide any evidence or citation past your own disproval bars you from any further validity in this debate. Thank you for playing. Come back when you've graduated basic Biology.
 
you are losing
we are winning
give up before you take a goose egg to our numerous sources that will rip yours all a new one (that are not "faith" based)
 
Heres another argument for Christianity: Fossilaztion in general. The conditions that are required for fossilization are very specific. Many fossils have been found that show the animal was still alive when it was buried. as in LOTS. How can this be? Well in the flood the earth was flooded and many animals were buried alive. But im really not the person to explain all this. Im not a scientist. There is a magazine called Creation that has lots of good articles about this stuff that is not just theorys. I think they have a website online
 
can you explain why some people are born without wisdom teeth now, but some aren't?

EVOLUTION.

The fact still remains that billions of years ago there was a massive galactic orgy that resulted in our very universe existing. Who cares about some moldy old bones that have only existed for a minuscule fraction of time?

Why is there something rather than nothing? what caused the big bang... these are the REAL questions to be answered about existence.
 
I refer you to my last post and reassure you that Creation is not a credible source for anything other than awkward satire.
 
u still havent answered my question where are all the fossils for these half evolved creatures? There should be tons of them if they existed
 
There are aspects of Judaism, Buddhism, Daoism, Islam, Jainism, and Christianity that appeal to everyone, it's just a matter of faith and personal choice.

Jesus of Nazareth and Christianty were born in the Roman Empire. Jesus's parents were citzens of Judea which was a province of the Levant. The orgins of Biblical scripture come from Judea in the Roman Empire.
 
The flood? Was this during the 6,000 years in which Christianity says the Earth existed? Or 49 million years ago?

And does that mean Dinosaurs co-existed with man? The flood did kill them, didn't it?

I'm done in this thread, you can't argue against blind ignorance. If you believe in God, all the power to you. I am nobody to walk all over your beliefs. I just wanted to throw a little scientific fact in here, and now I am done. I'm not saying God does or does not exist, I'm just saying that the biblical stories (remember this thread's topic?) are pretty much illogical and bogus. Great stories, great morals, but hold as much validity as Harry Potter playing in a Quiddich match.
 
Okay, first off, let me say this. When Charles Darwin proposed the theory (hypothesis that can be proved through observation) of Evolution he never intended it to go against religion, people just made it seem like that. It is far more logical than a man who has no total proof of existence. How old are you Josh, 13? You will learn when you take Biology. When an animal is born with a mutation it can either help the animal survive, or not help it survive. If that animal survives, it passes on its DNA to the next generation, if it has issues surviving, that gene will end up being naturally eliminated from the gene pool. Look at a whale it has some vestigial organs. The bones in the fins/flippers VERY closely resemble those of a human hand. The appendix in a whale is a vestigial organ. Species are still evolving, humans are not because we do not adapt to the surroundings, we make the surroundings adapt to us. Where the fuck did you get the idea that species are not evolving? It doesn't happen in 100 years, it takes millions of years, humans have not been recording data that long, let alone 5000 years. We have been here so small in comparison to the rest of the Earth. When a creature (those fish you mentioned) evolves, it doesn't change, it just begins to separate, some offspring remain the smae, while others begin changing into a new species, otherwise if one species just turned into another, that would only one species would exist. Don't be a dumbass. I don't understand why people don't want to believe the idea that god planned for organisms to evolve like they did. I would rather believe a process half observable over something humans have been writing about. Is it not funny that the bible says to not question anything and just believe? That would be the easy answer, matter of fact, from now on I will just say: I jumped off a 400 foot cliff and threw a Kangaroo flip? Don't question it though, you need to have faith. So easy to make up, that was a terrible example I used, but it does convey some type of point. That's all someone had to do, write these stories and pass them down, fools would not question them. Easy as that. I might as well make up a god too. Who made god, where did god come from? answer that. If it is possible for him to just one day appear, then it is equally as possible for Earth to be the only place for life. mars could be a place for life too, that life just needs to adapt to its surroundings (I believe). Earth is correct for its type of life. I also forgot to ask if you know how DNA is coded? IT is coded using four letters (A, C, T, and G). I think those are the correct letters. To evolve, all it takes is one letter difference.

Before arguing against evolution, make sure you know how it works. Everything you said was totally incorrect. Don't be an idiot.
 
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