i have the first awd pants, they are pretty sick, there torn up around tha ankles from falling and stuff, I guess my edges just catch and tear them a little. They arn't very wind proof either, when your bombong down the mountain you can feel the wind rushing through them. And to the kids thats 185, get the l's no need for the xl's. I'm like 6'1 and 190 and the L's fit fine.