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Jesus Christ. Less government doesn't help everyone. It helps rich people. More government helps poor people. The duty of our government is to provide for the good of the people, therefore the greater the role of government, generally the more aid programs such as unemployment, wellfare, affirmitive action, etc. Less government means less restrictions on business, which helps rich people get richer, generally. Those are broad generalizations, but I think that should suffice for you libertarians and anarchists.

By the way Ant, your nextdoor neighbor with the 2.5 mil house probably didn't work too hard for their money. Most rich people have rich parents. Seriously, there are very few cases of low to middle class people becoming rich through hard work. Donald Trump pretends like he worked so hard for his money, but his parents were already very wealthy.

Pull up to the club, people be suspicious, white boys, light boys flashin all them riches, im feelin good in the hood with a brand new esc, the dutch in the stashbox just rollin on ex, went from flippin keys to flippin pique collaz up, spendin dollaz smokin trees like thats whats up
 
I agree that welath perpetuates but I wouldnt use an over-generalized arguement that the guy next door with a 2.5 million dollar house didnt work too hard for it. I saw a funny statistic the other day that like 70% of lottery winners file bankruptcy within 5 years of them winning (sometihng like that)

God is an American.
 
Supachronic I hope your wrong about that, cause then what is the American Dream that everyone is talking about?

-People say marijuana ruins your life, I just say I take the scenic route-

 
^Don't be such a blind optimist. You will never be a multi-millionaire. The vast, vast majority of rich people got that way through luck or circumstance.

The problem with saying that lower taxes help everyone lies in the fact that freedom has positive requirements, not negative ones (the latter meaning absence of restraints). In order for someone to be able to do what they want in life, certain things need to be readily accessible: an education, food, perhaps housing, and so on. It's an oversimplification to say that everyone has a rod and is thus able to fish as well as others. The only other thing I'd comment on is the comment that corporations within the US use loopholes in order to lessen expenses (such as tax shelters), and we should therefore lower tax burdens so they won't have to do this. This proposition is somewhat akin to saying we should give burglars our stuff so that they won't break in and steal it. What needs to be done is not to make concessions to corporations, but to be stricter in enforcement of corporate law. Maybe they'll find other ways to get around said law, but the best thing the government can do is to make it extremely difficult.

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Blind Optimist? Sorry I dont want to think about slitting my wrist every other day, so instead I think about getting rich and ways of getting rich, oh yeah, I wont make it anywhere, and the all the rest of the other people in this country that strive everysingle day to expand their bussiness or whatever... I know over 20 people atleast that have started off working for someone, then moving on and starting their own company and now wealthy as shit, your trying to tell me this is luck?

-People say marijuana ruins your life, I just say I take the scenic route-

 
^ yes rich people get that way only by luck or circumstance. Hardwork and ingenuity has never paid off trust me.

God is an American.
 
I don't know what that thing about slitting your wrists was... what the hell are you talking about?

Anyways, the point is, everyone who supports this kind of thing seems to be thinking 'well, I should promote this, because I want to be rich someday like those people!' Well, I have a newsflash for you. Not everybody gets to be rich. 98% of the population doesn't. Do you really think you will? People who work hard might improve their chances of making a good deal of money, but in the end, what is it that separates joe hardworking, who ends up being average, and john hardworking who ends up rich? Luck. Luck and circumstances.

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Fuck that... I dont believe in that, I just dont see how hard work could not pay off. My cousin owns his own travel agency and makes 6 digits a year and his only 30, when he was 21 he was a truck driver.He worked his ass off just to get where he is and your telling me he got lucky?

-People say marijuana ruins your life, I just say I take the scenic route-

 
Its not luck, its called right decisions, and you dont make decisions on luck, you make them on the situation.

-People say marijuana ruins your life, I just say I take the scenic route-

 
^ no. Joe hardworking plugs 12 years of his life into higher education and gets paid accordingly. Hard working joe breaks his back night and day working at the lumberyard but sinks little to no time into furthering or expanding his abilities so since all he knows how to do is work in a lumberyard. My grandfather was a metalworker in Argentina he moved my dad and my uncle to this country when they were 16 years old. Since then my dad goes to the army to get his tuition paid servers 4 years active then goes reserves for benefits for the 10 years or so. He goes through college all on credit,loans and funding from the army. He goes to medical school all on credit. He and his son build computers in their basement on his freetime off to help pay the bills. The only other income was his wife working part time as a secretary in a medical office making 8 dollars an hour. He graduates medical school does 4 years of residency and becomes a certified M.D. Long story short immagrant who comes to this country when hes 16 can't speak english. Busts his ass for the next 20 years and now will retire a mutli-millionare started from ground zero did it all himself and now can afford to pay for his sons schooling. So dont say if your pooor, and hard working you cant make something of yourself. Laziness and ignorance will get you nowhere in this country. But, hardwork and ambition will get you as far as you want to go.

God is an American.
 
I have no idea whether or not your cousin got lucky. I don't know him. How would you like to ask the millions of hardworking individuals who are barely getting by, despite their genuinely best efforts to do everything they possibly can in life to move up the ladder? Would you like to tell them they didn't work hard enough, despite the fact that many of them (out of millions, there must be a reasonable amount of them) probably work harder than your cousin? What about the people who inherit huge sums to get themselves started, or those who happen to know someone in the business, people with a leg up? They worked harder, so they deserve it more? Bullshit. I'm sure his hard work had something to do with it, but it could easily have been the case that he might have missed a break, or made an unfortunate decision through no fault of his own, and not become successful. The fact that he happened to dodge the bullets does not make him more worthy of a good life than those who couldn't see them coming.

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Same deal, ice is scary. For every example of a rags to riches story, there are thousands who weren't so lucky. It's not outlandish that two people who have worked equally hard to get themselves through college and to succeed in life can have vastly different success outcomes. It happens all the time.

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Thats what I'm saying Ice-Is-Scary, its hard work and ambitions, but it aint fucking luck, fuck that.

-People say marijuana ruins your life, I just say I take the scenic route-

 
I'm not saying chance doesn't affect peoples outcomes. I'm saying if theres a will theres usually a way. In america theres gotta be 1000's of programs,scholarships,grants,loans exc. to get an education paid for. What you choose to study and how hard you study will ultimately effect your outcome but I just don't see very many people having excuses why they couldn't 'make it'.

God is an American.
 
^You've got to be kidding! Millions have good excuses why they couldn't make it. Maybe they made a bad investment, or lost a limb in a freak accident and had to undergo rehab, or a family member became horribly sick at the wrong time, or they simply couldn't catch a break, and end up stuck in a menial, low paying desk job for years upon end. Any of those things can put a wrench in whatever plans a person might have, no matter how much they try to overcome them. It happens all the time, and to tell these people that it's their own fault is positively ludicrous. Most of life is uncontrollable, and that's a fact that needs to be brought into consideration. I never said that hard work wasn't a factor, as it obviously is in most cases of success (not all), but it's not a sure ticket to prosperity, and it certainly isn't the only thing involved.

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Well my uncle came over with my dad and for the majority of his 20's he just enjoyed life. He worked as a riverguide in California. He also did some kind of tour guiding in Alaska. He and my father came over here with equal opportunity one decided to live for today the other decided to invest in his future and put his life aside for a while. I bet you can guess which one ended up beating the advertisty that immigrating to this coutnry is. I think the system works on 'pay me now or pay me later' I would love to drop out of college and just work at a ski resort not caring about anything in the world and just having fun (pay me later) Or I can invest my youth (pay me now) and try to better myself and obtain skills that are in demand and not everyone has (college n such). Suppose I chose pay me later when I'm 45 and working in a ski shop on a mountian somewhere do I get the right to bitch about it? Even if you fucked up 30 years ago you still fucked up. Not everyone gets all the chances and opportunity that I have but some people never realise opportunity at all or are too comfortable in a job they now to try to better themselves. Its a scary venture investing time now for benefits later especially if you die early. I'm not sure what im bitching about but the point of the story is 'yes, shitty things happen to people and the situation is out of their control' but I hardly think thats the norm and I think thats what were arguing about here

God is an American.
 
Whereas I'll say that whether it's the norm or not, it still happens quite a lot. I'm just repeating myself in saying more, but you can pay the system now, pay it later, hell, pay it your whole life and still end up lower middle class like the vast majority of Americans. And I still maintain that this happens to a massive number of people. You don't hear about them so much, because who wants to listen to a downer like that when you can hear success stories and delude yourself into thinking that you too are basically assured a spot in the top 2% if you really assert yourself? It ain't the case, it takes more than the will to do it.

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In a haze

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I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

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Always

Here I am

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Here I am

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Dont be a fucking idiot, next time you say 'I suck' or anything, I'm going to call you a faggot for sucking dick. Mission Accomplished, could mean anything, it could mean mission accomplished for getting into Iraq, mission accomplished for getting Saddam,

... Mission accomplished for killing 14,000 people, mission accomplished for turning Iraq into a breeding ground for terrorists, mission accomplished for getting the rest of the world to hate us...

The problem is, I don't remember us setting out to complete any of those missions.

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My parents were hippies. Both my grandfathers were Mennonite conscientious objectors in WWII. It's complicated.
 
agingeri 14,000 people isnt shit compared to the million or so people that were killed by saddam, and also to the people who think that outsourcing is only a bad thing, it goes two ways, when companys pay less to the out of country workers their product becomes cheaper, so the consumer actually gains from outsourcing, and overall cheaper products from large corporations will stimulate the economy, and that is what our president it trying to do

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ASAC i think what he was sayin even though it is thw worest analogy ever it that a rotten fish (government givin ppl money; medicare and other govy programs) get ppl hooked bed it is just enough to keep ppl livin... and since they know it keeps coming they dont better themselfs. And his analogy for bush is that he will give you a job so you can pay for everything yourself and not be dependednt on the Govy.

Also when he says #1 lib hes talkin bout him in the senate.

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^And he's still wrong.

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About the liberal thing, I mean.

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ummmmm no i belive he is?

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'she acts like i was supposed to stick around... and i told her FUCK THAT! this isnt elimidate' - yammaTom9

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Well, you're wrong. As I've said before, over his entire senatorial career, Kerry is far to the right of Ted Kennedy, and Edwards is right of the average democrat. The results being used to make that claim are right, except they only counted certain votes made by either senator. Looking at their careers as a whole, the results are far different. As I always say, if they repeat something enough, people start to believe it... but that doesn't make it true. See: Saddam/Al Quaeda connection.

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In a haze

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I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

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Always

Here I am

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whatever we arguin over sum that has nothin to do w/ this

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'she acts like i was supposed to stick around... and i told her FUCK THAT! this isnt elimidate' - yammaTom9

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STENCIL KREW

 
Back to the topic at hand: I was reading the op-ed section the other day and some ingorant woman was rambling on with incoherent dribble about voting for Bush and actually believed that if Kerry was to win the election, the country would be taken over by terrorists and (she actually said this) we would all be paying taxes to Bin Laden.

'Afterlife....if I knew I had to go through another life I'd kill myself right now'
 
and then I spell ignorant incorrectly....i'm aware of the irony

'Afterlife....if I knew I had to go through another life I'd kill myself right now'
 
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