Dustin.
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13447244:cobra_commander said:Typical fighter pilot mind set.
Maybe if CAS was a higher priority the AF would kill less Americans and more bad guys. That would be a good start. Unfortunately there are too many figher pilot GOs that think fighters are the gold standard. They, like everyone else, likes to train on what they view as sexy. It's the same way on the combat side. Everyone wants to train SRM, explosive breaching, and building clearing. no one looks forward to patrolling.
I'm not blaming you personally, it happens all over the place. On our side you get guys who think Dismounted Inf ops are the end all be all, guys who think small foot print UW missions can save the world and spread democracy, and guys who think any war that doesn't involve tanks going head to head is a waste of time. I'm sure it's the same on the Navy side.
Most fighter pilots I know and have interacted with (F-15, F-22, a small number of 16s) all have chronic back issues from the compressions. I'm glad you don't. Their knees, ankles and shoulders are in better health than mine, but their backs are worse.
I guess you missed the sarcasm in the green comment. There is a reason I used green not blue.
And in your post you agreed with me that the F-35 is a stupid program. From my end, I see billions of dollars going to sustaining a program that is way over budget, way behind schedule and has yet to contribute to National Defense. All that while we are cutting BCTs left and right and don't really have the budget to keep those we do have in a P status on their METL, all while we are facing multiple and simultaneous ground war conflicts, and cutting (or attempting to cut) proven air programs. Why aren't we buying any more F-22s? Why is the C17 (your biggest force multiplier) getting cut with no replacement? Why are we continuing to advocate spending on a program pretty much everyone agrees was flawed from the start when we can't afford to keep other programs running? Aside from the 70 Senators.
(I agree with your VTOL assessment. Only one airplane has done it well and that was the Harrier which was designed around the idea). Most Marine pilots fly F18s not Harriers anyway, no?
I'm pretty sure the last 12 years of nearly exclusive CAS employment has displayed the emphasis the AF puts on CAS these days. That's precisely the reason cutting A-10s is such an outrage these days, and precisely the reason that explanations of why we need a 5th gen fighter like the F-35 are scoffed. I think the answer is let the Army budget buy A-10s, because the AF is spread so thin we can't afford the things we need to support what Congress requires us to be good at.
The difference between you and I is that I actually study and employ the knowledge of what everyone else can do as my PRIMARY mission and not a hobby. That is a unique aspect of SEAD players, Block 50 F-16s most of the time, and not your standard 1 each fighter pilot. And you misunderstood my take on the F-35 program. The development and engineering was slow, costly, and unnecessary in many ways. But I am not suggesting we don't need the F-35, quite the contrary due to many of the reasons cited above.
Why don't we buy more F-22's? Because 187 of them is an assload. Those jets slay air to air, but that's basically all they do and you have to cover all your bases. The F-35 is the F-16/15E on steroids. It is the upgrade to both and the answer to "How do we defend against X threat". The F-22 upgrades the F-15 in air to air and has potential to assist the F-35 in similar stealth related roles.
You look at individual capabilities. I look at an entire force package. In an ideal SEAD vul I would not shoot at all because we were able to utilize stealth, comm, space, and intel to get in and out before the enemy could shoot at all. That's the difference between us. You're talking about 1st grade. I'm talking about Harvard Law. I'm talking about SEAD/strike anywhere in the world, you're talking about Ace Combat and Afghanistan.