dirtybryan
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Yea ski master might have your answer, buy two of last years skis that do both well.
One ski for park/powder for a big guy?
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when i worked in a shop, i averaged 5+ pairs of skis a year. I would use them all, and slowly eliminate the ones i did not prefer and sell them by the end of the year. i'd keep a pair or two of the ones i liked best, and repeat the next season.
its not really hard to make use of that many skis. i live in missouri, and only got 45ish days in colorado most seasons and i managed to do it.
its not really hard to make use of that many skis. i live in missouri, and only got 45ish days in colorado most seasons and i managed to do it.
I'm going to offer the best piece of advice in this entire thread.
Give up on it.
This is officially the end. No one can get good ski advice on NS anymore. Time was when there was only a small minority of idiots, easily ignored, telling you things that would completely fuck you over. Now it seems like the good advice is lost in the din of dumb kids (haha, DIN, pun, funny). I can't believe I actually just read "He's 185 pounds, he would snap the ARVs in two". Three years ago the 95 waist SP was deemed "too fat to be useful" by a lot of people, and now a 96 ski is apparently to be considered flimsy. Then we have this bunyon guy trying to discredit two of the most reliable sources of gear info (who actually post, that is) in Iggy and Luke. Yeah, Luke is a big K2 fanboy. It's so true. He's admitted it on numerous occasions. But that doesn't make him any less right in reccomending certain skis. In some cases, especially this one, there is a K2 ski that might just be the best one for the job. You're going to tell me that's bad advice because of their quiver? How does that even make sense? The fact is, these guys do know their shit, and the reason they all own SVs is not because they're biased towards K2, it's because it's a fucking good ski. Whether you have a quiver or not, a pair of Seths is a good core stick to have. Fat, but not stupidly so, beef, but not ridiculously stiff, and of a good length at 189 if you're a reasonably large guy. I have a modest quiver (4 pair), and my pistols are pretty much the backbone of it. If you're going to try to tell someone their advice is bad, do it on the basis of what ski they're reccomending, not what skis they own. That's patently idiotic.
As for skimasterflex, you have got the k2 mounting points right, +8 is generally one of the spots, but having ridden SPs personally and in others' case SV as a main ski, we (and I'm speaking for the aforementioned "V-crew" as well) can say pretty confidently that they really ski best when you don't have to lean back. I might be a bit biased on this, given that I tend to like my all mountain skis further back than most people (hell, mine are currently +1, not that I take them in the park), but to me core center really is a park oriented mount that has no business on a pair of 189s being skiied in whistler. +5 is tried, tested, and true, and works well everywhere. And yes... he probably will spend more time out of the park than in... why wouldn't he. Did you notice what mountain he skis at? When he feels like taking a few laps through the park, +5 will not hinder that. I ride Armada, I'm aware of where the mount line is. You'll notice that any sane person will mount their JPs at least 2-3cm behind it, if not more. Some people at AR mount as far as 9 back of center. But I'm not sure bringing up the analogy of "progressive companies" is even relevant, simply by virtue of the fact that they ARE different companies and have different mount spots for a reason: they make very different skis.
I'm going to stick with what I originally said. One ski for park and powder. If you're going more pow than park, Vicious at +5. If more park than pow, ArV at 0. Given that you seem to be worried about flex it's safe to assume that it's the former, which makes sense at Whis, really. But if you're going that route, don't try to use the mount point as a compromise. You'll end up losing all mountain performance for the sake of something which, if it was as big a concern as all mountain performance, would have dictated your ski choice in the first place.
Give up on it.
This is officially the end. No one can get good ski advice on NS anymore. Time was when there was only a small minority of idiots, easily ignored, telling you things that would completely fuck you over. Now it seems like the good advice is lost in the din of dumb kids (haha, DIN, pun, funny). I can't believe I actually just read "He's 185 pounds, he would snap the ARVs in two". Three years ago the 95 waist SP was deemed "too fat to be useful" by a lot of people, and now a 96 ski is apparently to be considered flimsy. Then we have this bunyon guy trying to discredit two of the most reliable sources of gear info (who actually post, that is) in Iggy and Luke. Yeah, Luke is a big K2 fanboy. It's so true. He's admitted it on numerous occasions. But that doesn't make him any less right in reccomending certain skis. In some cases, especially this one, there is a K2 ski that might just be the best one for the job. You're going to tell me that's bad advice because of their quiver? How does that even make sense? The fact is, these guys do know their shit, and the reason they all own SVs is not because they're biased towards K2, it's because it's a fucking good ski. Whether you have a quiver or not, a pair of Seths is a good core stick to have. Fat, but not stupidly so, beef, but not ridiculously stiff, and of a good length at 189 if you're a reasonably large guy. I have a modest quiver (4 pair), and my pistols are pretty much the backbone of it. If you're going to try to tell someone their advice is bad, do it on the basis of what ski they're reccomending, not what skis they own. That's patently idiotic.
As for skimasterflex, you have got the k2 mounting points right, +8 is generally one of the spots, but having ridden SPs personally and in others' case SV as a main ski, we (and I'm speaking for the aforementioned "V-crew" as well) can say pretty confidently that they really ski best when you don't have to lean back. I might be a bit biased on this, given that I tend to like my all mountain skis further back than most people (hell, mine are currently +1, not that I take them in the park), but to me core center really is a park oriented mount that has no business on a pair of 189s being skiied in whistler. +5 is tried, tested, and true, and works well everywhere. And yes... he probably will spend more time out of the park than in... why wouldn't he. Did you notice what mountain he skis at? When he feels like taking a few laps through the park, +5 will not hinder that. I ride Armada, I'm aware of where the mount line is. You'll notice that any sane person will mount their JPs at least 2-3cm behind it, if not more. Some people at AR mount as far as 9 back of center. But I'm not sure bringing up the analogy of "progressive companies" is even relevant, simply by virtue of the fact that they ARE different companies and have different mount spots for a reason: they make very different skis.
I'm going to stick with what I originally said. One ski for park and powder. If you're going more pow than park, Vicious at +5. If more park than pow, ArV at 0. Given that you seem to be worried about flex it's safe to assume that it's the former, which makes sense at Whis, really. But if you're going that route, don't try to use the mount point as a compromise. You'll end up losing all mountain performance for the sake of something which, if it was as big a concern as all mountain performance, would have dictated your ski choice in the first place.
LC.
Active member
JD, that's the most sense spoken in this thread so far. Yes, I moved to Whistler to ski powder, but I've grown up skiing park so I'll be spending most of my time there when there hasn't been new snow. Yes, two pairs would be ideal but I'm in enough debt right now as it is and my shop isn't being very helpful in getting gear for me. Demoing would let me know what works and what doesn't but no-one is demoing right now because of lack of snow and no-one demos 4FRNT anyway. I need something to ski park on as soon as possible because I'm sick of having to take it easy on groomers on the piece of shit rentals I've got.
Well rounded doesn't mean best pow, tree, park, etc specific.
In my quiver they are an everyday ski....but I also have a park and pow ski.
so...why have the others? Cause I ski different places and condition. The seth vicious isn't my best pow or park ski, but it is better everyday then my park or pow ski is.
But when someone asks what ONE ski they would get, I would get the vicious.
If we offend you with our ski choices...sorry. if you get so mad about someone stating an opinion...in the same forum that you have...you have a problem.
So, honestly, go ahead and talk shit about vicious and myself.
Im still gonna suggest the vicious to people who ask about it.
I agree with JD that these threads are...endless. Everyone has a different opinion, so best way is to demo and make up your own.
Bambam - as I said above...the 189 vicious is a great everyday ski. mounting spot is a whole other thread...god forbid. So, do what you want. Demoing is a great way to determine whether or not you like a ski, even though apparently skiing a skiing only once isn't a good way to test a ski....
Hope you find something you like and enjoy whistler.
In my quiver they are an everyday ski....but I also have a park and pow ski.
so...why have the others? Cause I ski different places and condition. The seth vicious isn't my best pow or park ski, but it is better everyday then my park or pow ski is.
But when someone asks what ONE ski they would get, I would get the vicious.
If we offend you with our ski choices...sorry. if you get so mad about someone stating an opinion...in the same forum that you have...you have a problem.
So, honestly, go ahead and talk shit about vicious and myself.
Im still gonna suggest the vicious to people who ask about it.
I agree with JD that these threads are...endless. Everyone has a different opinion, so best way is to demo and make up your own.
Bambam - as I said above...the 189 vicious is a great everyday ski. mounting spot is a whole other thread...god forbid. So, do what you want. Demoing is a great way to determine whether or not you like a ski, even though apparently skiing a skiing only once isn't a good way to test a ski....
Hope you find something you like and enjoy whistler.
Vicious
Active member
I hadn't read this thread since it first posted a few days ago and the more I read it the more things I wanted to reply to until I got to the end and there was just too much shit to write about.
Let's leave it at JD's last remark.
Final say: Bunyon needs to know what he's talking about before passing judgment on others.
Let's leave it at JD's last remark.
Final say: Bunyon needs to know what he's talking about before passing judgment on others.