One ski ejected today on Tyrolia Attack 14s - wtf happened?

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I was just ripping groomers today hitting small stuff and did a normal jump with a normal amount of air, as soon as I landed my left ski popped out forwards, and flew back and smacked me in the thigh.

i skied off and bailed on one ski wondering wtf happened?

Both my heels were still clicked up on both skis, but this honestly scared the fuck out of me. That simply can’t happen to me at certain places I ski.

so what happened? DINS to low? 5,9 - 155lb riding at 8 1/2 din, but I need to raise it as that’s early season.

worried that this will happen in a spot that will seriously fuck me up if it happens again

It doesn’t make sense that DIN was the issue here tho - I can confidently weight on my nose for small nose presses and stuff and have never popped out on one of those

**This thread was edited on Jan 12th 2022 at 5:46:28pm
 
If you really think there is something wrong get them tested

don’t go cranking the din if you don’t know if the binding is good or not

Save your knees
 
Early release on an attack toe piece you say? Sounds like an afd adjustment may be in your future.
 
14378618:PooPooVooDoo said:
I’m retarded, what’s that mean?
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Its the part of the binding that would go underneath your toes. Attack binders are known for having to have this readjusted on occassion. Have someone more knowledgable show ya how to do it the firat time. Its nothing serious.
 
14378621:r00kie said:
Its the part of the binding that would go underneath your toes. Attack binders are known for having to have this readjusted on occassion. Have someone more knowledgable show ya how to do it the firat time. Its nothing serious.
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Most shops don't set them tight enough. To properly adjust you need to pull back on the boot (like you were in the boot leaning back) then check the AFD height. Also check forward pressure.

What's your BSL? We need that to tell if the 8.5 DIN setting might be too low.
 
300mm.

i downsized boots and the shop adjusted my skis. I wonder if they fucked something up when I downsized. I got them mounted for a 27/27.5 boot which I forgot the MM of, then downsized to my current 26/26.5 300mm and had the place I bought boots from adjust the bindings to it

14378631:mystery3 said:
Most shops don't set them tight enough. To properly adjust you need to pull back on the boot (like you were in the boot leaning back) then check the AFD height. Also check forward pressure.

What's your BSL? We need that to tell if the 8.5 DIN setting might be too low.
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Ya I shoulda just dropped the cash on em. Im debating center mounting these attacks on a park ski and putting pivots -2 from true cm for playful all mountain.

my ski hit my thigh so fuckin hard

14378637:bbw.enthusiast said:
theyre attacks... you'll get used to it till you buy pivots
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14378639:PooPooVooDoo said:
Ya I shoulda just dropped the cash on em. Im debating center mounting these attacks on a park ski and putting pivots -2 from true cm for playful all mountain.

my ski hit my thigh so fuckin hard
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yeah, a lot of people who suggest attacks are skiing like mellow ass all mountain - theyre probably fine for that but there is a good reason most skiers doing somewhat gnarly stunts are on pivots or even sth or jesters. would recomend attacks even less for park lol

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Attacks are fine. It’s not the binding. I have both attacks and pivots. Take it to a shop that can test the release values. It’s probably the afd (anti friction device) height, as mentioned.
 
So what is the real difference in terms of performance for attacks and pivots? the way people talk about them makes it seem like they are literally the best free ride/freestyle/park binding on the entire market.

am I really missing out without pivots? Kinda wishing I bought a pair now.

14378670:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
Attacks are fine. It’s not the binding. I have both attacks and pivots. Take it to a shop that can test the release values. It’s probably the afd (anti friction device) height, as mentioned.
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14378673:PooPooVooDoo said:
So what is the real difference in terms of performance for attacks and pivots? the way people talk about them makes it seem like they are literally the best free ride/freestyle/park binding on the entire market.

am I really missing out without pivots? Kinda wishing I bought a pair now.
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Pivots have more elastic retention, but honestly STH, Attack, Pivot, Griffon are all quite similar in their performance. Check your forward pressure; usually is a cause for release
 
14378673:PooPooVooDoo said:
So what is the real difference in terms of performance for attacks and pivots? the way people talk about them makes it seem like they are literally the best free ride/freestyle/park binding on the entire market.

am I really missing out without pivots? Kinda wishing I bought a pair now.
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I think the difference between pivots and other bindings is that pivots will still work when they're basically broken. I have the most insane clapped out pair on my rock/street skis, like my boot can wiggle around a little bit on one ski and they're so worn down that my daymakers won't clip into them, but I still never pre release. Your attacks on the other hand probs need to be adjusted every once in a while to avoid pre releases, like the dudes above have said.
 
Pivots are more elastic and damp. I’m a pivot fan but it’s not something most people need or notice. I use pivots and attacks now almost exclusively

14378673:PooPooVooDoo said:
So what is the real difference in terms of performance for attacks and pivots? the way people talk about them makes it seem like they are literally the best free ride/freestyle/park binding on the entire market.

am I really missing out without pivots? Kinda wishing I bought a pair now.
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14378678:hi_vis360 said:
I think the difference between pivots and other bindings is that pivots will still work when they're basically broken. I have the most insane clapped out pair on my rock/street skis, like my boot can wiggle around a little bit on one ski and they're so worn down that my daymakers won't clip into them, but I still never pre release. Your attacks on the other hand probs need to be adjusted every once in a while to avoid pre releases, like the dudes above have said.
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Bro what that sounds dangerous, at least theyre rock skis. With pivots you get more side to side retention so yeah the boot can move around a little
 
Damn so I just have to constantly remember to mess with my bindings and always be wondering if I’ve gotta check em?

any bindings I can get where I never have to worry about this shit? Just mount and go?

14378678:hi_vis360 said:
I think the difference between pivots and other bindings is that pivots will still work when they're basically broken. I have the most insane clapped out pair on my rock/street skis, like my boot can wiggle around a little bit on one ski and they're so worn down that my daymakers won't clip into them, but I still never pre release. Your attacks on the other hand probs need to be adjusted every once in a while to avoid pre releases, like the dudes above have said.
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14378698:tdollo said:
Bro what that sounds dangerous, at least theyre rock skis. With pivots you get more side to side retention so yeah the boot can move around a little
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oh it is dangerous 100% lol I don't ski them at the hill very often
 
I also suspected this. It was such an odd release that I was wondering if my toe on that ski wasn’t fully engaged cause of snow ice.

i had just put them back on after stopping for some water and a piss and it was like the second decent booter I hit when It flew off

14378706:freestyler540 said:
Did anyone mention that snow caught in the binding will lead them to fail? The thread was tldr
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14378699:PooPooVooDoo said:
Damn so I just have to constantly remember to mess with my bindings and always be wondering if I’ve gotta check em?

any bindings I can get where I never have to worry about this shit? Just mount and go?
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All bindings can break I don't know anything about attacks to be honest
 
14378699:PooPooVooDoo said:
Damn so I just have to constantly remember to mess with my bindings and always be wondering if I’ve gotta check em?

any bindings I can get where I never have to worry about this shit? Just mount and go?
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You need to chill out. Make sure your bindings are setup properly which is pretty uncertain because shop techs often don't set things up properly and you don't yet know how to check them yourself.

Attacks are the second most popular binding on this site and are super solid bindings. If you take any binding and completely botch the adjustment process (Pivot forward pressure threads...I'm looking at you) they will not work properly and pre-release among other issues.

Try to find a good youtube video that walks you through adjustment on attacks, it's not rocket surgery.
 
14378716:mystery3 said:
You need to chill out. Make sure your bindings are setup properly which is pretty uncertain because shop techs often don't set things up properly and you don't yet know how to check them yourself.

Attacks are the second most popular binding on this site and are super solid bindings. If you take any binding and completely botch the adjustment process (Pivot forward pressure threads...I'm looking at you) they will not work properly and pre-release among other issues.

Try to find a good youtube video that walks you through adjustment on attacks, it's not rocket surgery.
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To be fair it depends on which shop you go to. A shop in Whistler for instance has much more knowledgable staff than a shop in Chicago. That being said, Always check your bindings at the start of the season; and make sure your DIN, toe height and forward pressure is still good. It's not very hard, a couple google searches and you should be able to figure it out
 
I bet you ride pivot 18s at a din of 8

fuckin nerd

[tag=277793]@bbw.enthusiast[/tag]

**This post was edited on Jan 12th 2022 at 11:36:43pm
 
14378699:PooPooVooDoo said:
any bindings I can get where I never have to worry about this shit? Just mount and go?
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AFD = anti friction device

Was there snow under your boot?
 
Probably afd height.

Ask for a "binding test and adjust" at the shop. They're really cheap and quick like $15 in 15 minutes. You can get it done conveniently at the base area shop.

Also, what boots are you riding? Bring those with the skis.

Is there a chance you've got something obscure that doesn't fit in standard ski bindings?
 
Yo this has been happening to me recently but with the 13s where I’d hear everything click and then my ski would come off and I figured out that there was chunks off ice from buildup snow in the toe piece preventing it from fully engaging
 
Have been riding attacks foe some time now, i know most of the issues. Afd needs to be adjusted quite often. I check them about every week, just click the boot in and see if the toe is secure. If it can wiggle up and down from the afd (the plate the toe stands on) you have to screw it back up. The binding can’t have snow in the toe piece at all, if it has you won’t be locked in, so make sure to be free of snow when clicking in. Have had the heel move after slams too, quite rare but have happened to me once. Just pull up the little tab and push it till it fits. Dumb system, wish they had the same system as markers
 
Din doesn't mean much without knowing bsl but I doubt it was din. Make sure all your mounting screws are tight, and check forward pressure and toe height.
 
14378803:bbw.enthusiast said:
anyone who endorses attacks is prolly too shit at skiing to realize how bad they are /thread
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You mean like Tanner Hall and Phil Casabon?
 
i mounted sum attack 14 at's on my sticks the other night

stoner spaced setting the din

ripped the solitude piste all morning on 4/5 din

didnt come out till my dont ski moguls so smooth skills betrayed me

tyros like a tight/high forward pressure

i try to mount type 3's tight in the jig so it comes out on the tighter end of the 5 bars

and i try not to suck
 
best case scenario: afd or forward pressure adj

worst case scenario: they have to redrill your ski. maybe they just ran out of adjustment when you stepped down in boot size and left it at min.

just remember that when you change boot size it also changes where the centre of the boot is on the ski.

if you were centre mounted and went to a shorter boot, you might very ell be riding with more tail than tip.
 
14378898:ShadowXVX said:
Din doesn't mean much without knowing bsl but I doubt it was din. Make sure all your mounting screws are tight, and check forward pressure and toe height.
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OP did state BSL in the thread somewhere and according to the calculator should be at 8 (type 3) up to 9.5 (type 3+)
 
I was at factory Rec which is around -3 from true center I think?

theyre moment wildcat 101s (this years version, just bought them in November)

it def moved them up towards center a lil bit (which I’m actually liking).

im debating remounting them with pivot 14s at -1 or -2cm from tru center

14378975:ajbski said:
best case scenario: afd or forward pressure adj

worst case scenario: they have to redrill your ski. maybe they just ran out of adjustment when you stepped down in boot size and left it at min.

just remember that when you change boot size it also changes where the centre of the boot is on the ski.

if you were centre mounted and went to a shorter boot, you might very ell be riding with more tail than tip.
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Yea they were already mounted at factory recommended which is -3 or -4 from true center on wildcat 101s I think.

might just put pivots on em at -1 or -2cm from true center so they’re a bit more playful.

14379044:PooPooVooDoo said:
I was at factory Rec which is around -3 from true center I think?

theyre moment wildcat 101s (this years version, just bought them in November)

it def moved them up towards center a lil bit (which I’m actually liking).

im debating remounting them with pivot 14s at -1 or -2cm from tru center
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If it’s your parents money, I’d ask for king pins and new boots

14379110:PooPooVooDoo said:
Yea they were already mounted at factory recommended which is -3 or -4 from true center on wildcat 101s I think.

might just put pivots on em at -1 or -2cm from true center so they’re a bit more playful.
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topic:PooPooVooDoo said:
I was just ripping groomers today hitting small stuff and did a normal jump with a normal amount of air, as soon as I landed my left ski popped out forwards, and flew back and smacked me in the thigh.

i skied off and bailed on one ski wondering wtf happened?

Both my heels were still clicked up on both skis, but this honestly scared the fuck out of me. That simply can’t happen to me at certain places I ski.

so what happened? DINS to low? 5,9 - 155lb riding at 8 1/2 din, but I need to raise it as that’s early season.

worried that this will happen in a spot that will seriously fuck me up if it happens again

It doesn’t make sense that DIN was the issue here tho - I can confidently weight on my nose for small nose presses and stuff and have never popped out on one of those

**This thread was edited on Jan 12th 2022 at 5:46:28pm
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14378618:PooPooVooDoo said:
I’m retarded, what’s that mean?
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All the below. Proper forward pressure. The toe AFD's often come loose, and, or are not adjusted correctly.

Once you adjust the toe AFD, I recommend you scribe a mark on the binding, so you can look each day to see if it has moved.

14378621:r00kie said:
Its the part of the binding that would go underneath your toes. Attack binders are known for having to have this readjusted on occassion. Have someone more knowledgable show ya how to do it the firat time. Its nothing serious.
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14378631:mystery3 said:
Most shops don't set them tight enough. To properly adjust you need to pull back on the boot (like you were in the boot leaning back) then check the AFD height. Also check forward pressure.

What's your BSL? We need that to tell if the 8.5 DIN setting might be too low.
Click to expand...

14378716:mystery3 said:
You need to chill out. Make sure your bindings are setup properly which is pretty uncertain because shop techs often don't set things up properly and you don't yet know how to check them yourself.

Attacks are the second most popular binding on this site and are super solid bindings. If you take any binding and completely botch the adjustment process (Pivot forward pressure threads...I'm looking at you) they will not work properly and pre-release among other issues.

Try to find a good youtube video that walks you through adjustment on attacks, it's not rocket surgery.
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14378898:ShadowXVX said:
Din doesn't mean much without knowing bsl but I doubt it was din. Make sure all your mounting screws are tight, and check forward pressure and toe height.
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14378618:PooPooVooDoo said:
I’m retarded, what’s that mean?
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Agreed. Kids like you who try to set their own bindings when they have no fucking clue what they're doing are fucking idiots.
 
They gotta learn some how.

fucking idiots are the people who don’t intend on figuring it out

Take it easy skierman, he’s trying to be humble

14379138:skierman said:
Agreed. Kids like you who try to set their own bindings when they have no fucking clue what they're doing are fucking idiots.
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**This post was edited on Jan 13th 2022 at 3:16:15pm
 
Never said I set my own bindings, take a breather bud you’ll be okay

14379138:skierman said:
Agreed. Kids like you who try to set their own bindings when they have no fucking clue what they're doing are fucking idiots.
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14379181:PooPooVooDoo said:
Man ns trolls are weak lmaoo
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hes like one of the first members on ns...

he does this probably because people post threads without reading others first.

you probably could of found the answer to your question by using google to search ns
 
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