ON3Ps worth it?

keagan.karstens

keagan.karstens

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just skied my last day of resort skiing and my reckoners are pretty done for (sidewall and edges crushed under boot on both skis). They’re my second pair of reckoner 102s this season and as much as I love riding them they really don’t hold up. So I’m in the market for something similar and I’m thinking the revolt 104 but also a lot of people recommended me the Jeffrey 102s but they’re like $650 at the very lowest. And it’s pretty hard to not buy reckoners when they’re only like $350 on some sites. And I’m aware that no ski is indestructible but it sounds like on3p has it down pretty solid with the durability. But I’m just kinda sick of blowing through skis several times a season. Any advice?
 
ive had my mag 102s for 3 seasons and after heavy rail abuse for three seasons they could go another. that being said they are not indestructable as last year the sidewall caved in from 2 boxes put together and the second lip was elevated (fuck you tremblant), but after cutting out the base and putting edge back in place and ptexing it they still rip.

They have 4 edge cracks and two was from skiing street, and absolutely 0 delam. topsheets a little scratched but overall mint.

basically id say on sale or factory finds they are 100% worth it, at full price though it gets a little iffy.

for reference i ski from december to march averaging about 4 times a week for about 2 hours, hitting dirty east coast rails 9/10 laps.
 
Do you weld or solder the edges in, ?

Never had much luck repairing, I usually cut bad edges and keep shredding

14533613:timdrachan said:
ive had my mag 102s for 3 seasons and after heavy rail abuse for three seasons they could go another. that being said they are not indestructable as last year the sidewall caved in from 2 boxes put together and the second lip was elevated (fuck you tremblant), but after cutting out the base and putting edge back in place and ptexing it they still rip.

They have 4 edge cracks and two was from skiing street, and absolutely 0 delam. topsheets a little scratched but overall mint.

basically id say on sale or factory finds they are 100% worth it, at full price though it gets a little iffy.

for reference i ski from december to march averaging about 4 times a week for about 2 hours, hitting dirty east coast rails 9/10 laps.
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100%. I think what makes em worth it is not only the durable ass sidewall but the bases…. Maaaaan those bases are durable. I ski across rocks and concrete and fine gravel all the damn time and it doesn’t do much to the bases.

Edges will fall out as easy as any ski really, but once that happens it’s not like all the wheels fall off the carriage. They still go strong and I think that’s what makes it worth it, where as other brands’ bases will wear away from you sliding shit and it will start to expose the underside of the sidewall / wood core.
 
I've been riding ON3P exclusively since about 2017 if I remember right. I've skied Jeff's, kartels, magnus's and mangos in various flavors over the years. None have ever been a disappointment, and they are absolutely worth the money over other skis. If you plan to mount -2 to center and ski mostly park, get the mango 100. If you plan to mount -2 to -4 and ski more all mountain, get the Jeff's. The both ski great no matter what, but I do prefer my mangos over my Jeff's for switch skiing and center mounted park shenanigans
 
14533627:Schoess said:
I've been riding ON3P exclusively since about 2017 if I remember right. I've skied Jeff's, kartels, magnus's and mangos in various flavors over the years. None have ever been a disappointment, and they are absolutely worth the money over other skis. If you plan to mount -2 to center and ski mostly park, get the mango 100. If you plan to mount -2 to -4 and ski more all mountain, get the Jeff's. The both ski great no matter what, but I do prefer my mangos over my Jeff's for switch skiing and center mounted park shenanigans
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I’ve been lovin the jeffereys, gonna try -2 from TC next season to try it out. But at rec they ripped
 
Yeah that’s the crazy part about ski durability. I have hit rocks on my wildcats going super fast, direct hits, etc 2 season with no core shots. 2nd day on Jeff’s I got a core shot from same riding. I think it boils down to how you ski at the end of the day

14533607:ski_salmon69 said:
I purposely hit rocks with my on3ps and they’re like barely scratched
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i like my on3ps, i came from reckoners as well (woah trippy).

the jeffrey 102 fits my daily driver pocket. they’re less durable than some other on3ps i’ve seen, but overall damage is contained and you can tell the design/quality is there. anything from ice to 3ish inches of pow is great.

if you want something more park oriented look at the 1000s. i got to demo them and they live up to the hype. i was gonna grab some mango 90s but camber is fun sometimes
 
topic:keagan.karstens said:
just skied my last day of resort skiing and my reckoners are pretty done for (sidewall and edges crushed under boot on both skis). They’re my second pair of reckoner 102s this season and as much as I love riding them they really don’t hold up. So I’m in the market for something similar and I’m thinking the revolt 104 but also a lot of people recommended me the Jeffrey 102s but they’re like $650 at the very lowest. And it’s pretty hard to not buy reckoners when they’re only like $350 on some sites. And I’m aware that no ski is indestructible but it sounds like on3p has it down pretty solid with the durability. But I’m just kinda sick of blowing through skis several times a season. Any advice?
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it's 2023 bro how have you caught on yet that on3ps are the best skis in the world?
 
I am also on the fence about ON3Ps OP, my primary concern is that they are not symmetrical (I'm a big switch and huge 180 kinda guy)
 
14533647:stokedelic said:
i like my on3ps, i came from reckoners as well (woah trippy).

the jeffrey 102 fits my daily driver pocket. they’re less durable than some other on3ps i’ve seen, but overall damage is contained and you can tell the design/quality is there. anything from ice to 3ish inches of pow is great.

if you want something more park oriented look at the 1000s. i got to demo them and they live up to the hype. i was gonna grab some mango 90s but camber is fun sometimes
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I also came from reckoners, I tell people jeffereys are basically a better reckoner.

14533655:Farmville420 said:
try the 112s mine are mint and I've rode them in the park all season
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The 112 fucks for sure, I made them into a booter ski with frames, but rode them all last season as well.
 
14533605:WabbleDee said:
Bases aren’t as durable as moments but they’re good skis. You’ll have fun on em
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You realize both companies use the exact same base material? Durasurf 4001. From what I can find moment uses 2.2mm and on3p uses 1.8mm thickness. That's a difference equivalent to 4 sheets of computer paper lol. No way that is a noticeable difference. It's all chance
 
14533605:WabbleDee said:
Bases aren’t as durable as moments but they’re good skis. You’ll have fun on em
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Don’t get me wrong, my moments have outlived my ON3Ps… but base durability is not the comparison I would make lmao. ON3P green bases are made indestructible by a deal with the devil himself ong
 
I was ON3Ps third paying customer and received the thirtieth pair of skis Scott and Rowen ever built. Skied them as hard as I possibly could all over Utah for 3-4 seasons, and the only problem with them was a single edge crack after they became my dedicated park skis. Since then I’ve had several other pairs, all of them skied incredibly well and held up forever (edit: by “forever” I don’t mean “a long time,” I mean they are still in my garage in great shape). I literally pulled a pair of park skis out of their warranty bin, mounted them (3rd mount) and skied them for 3 seasons on and off. The last season I skied I got a pair of billy goats. They are hands down the best pair of soft snow skis (powder or chop) I have ever skied in my life.

I used to ski 20+ skis a year at industry trade shows and was never impressed with how other ski brands skied. There were a few outliers but they were few and far between and mostly purpose built skis vs ones I felt could work in multiple conditions.

if I still skied, I’d have a whole quiver of ON3P for different conditions, and then every day have a hard time choosing which ones to put on. I have skied on every ON3P model ever built besides the Woodsman, ironic as it’s my namesake.

I don’t work for ON3P anymore, so this is not a paid endorsement. I haven’t skied in 4 years and don’t really talk shop with those guys anymore. but cannot imagine anything has changed.

**This post was edited on May 2nd 2023 at 10:10:06am
 
If you have the money, maybe. But you can get solid new park skis on summer sales for $300, there's too much variability and risk in park skiing to drop 600+ on pair of dedicated park skis. If you plan on just riding all mountain with a few rails here and there, I think they are awesome.
 
Moment used 1.3mm Durasurf 4001 and they switched to Isospeed base now. No one uses 2.2mm base. They don’t exist. It’s a typo out there somewhere due to confusion with the edge

14533688:Turd__Authority said:
You realize both companies use the exact same base material? Durasurf 4001. From what I can find moment uses 2.2mm and on3p uses 1.8mm thickness. That's a difference equivalent to 4 sheets of computer paper lol. No way that is a noticeable difference. It's all chance
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14533728:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
Moment used 1.3mm Durasurf 4001 and they switched to Isospeed base now. No one uses 2.2mm base. They don’t exist. It’s a typo out there somewhere due to confusion with the edge
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Fuck ur right. The mobile version of the page on moments site loaded weird making it seem that was their base but it's actually the edge. Their site still says Durasurf on some places which also added to the confusion. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Yeah I think some parts of the site are a little outdated. For example, it used to (maybe still does) say they use UHMW-PE for sidewalls but then the ski pages will say abs sidewall.

I found the base info on TGR. I think it was Hot Pocket’s account

14533745:Turd__Authority said:
Fuck ur right. The mobile version of the page on moments site loaded weird making it seem that was their base but it's actually the edge. Their site still says Durasurf on some places which also added to the confusion. Thanks for clarifying.
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14533719:KaneDog said:
If you have the money, maybe. But you can get solid new park skis on summer sales for $300, there's too much variability and risk in park skiing to drop 600+ on pair of dedicated park skis. If you plan on just riding all mountain with a few rails here and there, I think they are awesome.
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Depends how savvy you are too, edges are gonna crack and rip out no matter what ski.

if you can repair skis well and look out for cracks, the bases, edge material, and construction of ON3P is definitely worth it.
 
14533752:muffMan. said:
Depends how savvy you are too, edges are gonna crack and rip out no matter what ski.

if you can repair skis well and look out for cracks, the bases, edge material, and construction of ON3P is definitely worth it.
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Maybe, I ripped 14in of edge out my magnuses in 2 months tho and it was in one swoop, shit happens, I will never spend that much on a ski I'm landing on metal with.
 
It’s also luck. I’ve got some Slant skis with Durasurf 4001 base and got a core shot first day due to low tide and a rock sticking out hidden under fresh snow. They’ve been indestructible since

14533642:WabbleDee said:
Yeah that’s the crazy part about ski durability. I have hit rocks on my wildcats going super fast, direct hits, etc 2 season with no core shots. 2nd day on Jeff’s I got a core shot from same riding. I think it boils down to how you ski at the end of the day
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Anecdotal. But I have not skied another brand since 2012. I have not managed to break or coreshot a ski. Edges are all about detune and maintenance when hitting rails, which I don't do.
 
Chill out nerd all im saying is my moments have held up better than any ski I’ve owned

14533688:Turd__Authority said:
You realize both companies use the exact same base material? Durasurf 4001. From what I can find moment uses 2.2mm and on3p uses 1.8mm thickness. That's a difference equivalent to 4 sheets of computer paper lol. No way that is a noticeable difference. It's all chance
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Outside of build quality ON3P service is amazing. I have an edge crack that pushed the base up a bit, they offered to fix them for free and sent extremely detailed DIY instructions if I didn’t want to ship them. Crazy to get an offer like that for something that is 100% my fault.
 
I bought mangos last year and looked everywhere at the end of this season to find any sort of damage and the only thing i could find was topsheet chips and scratches. They are great skis, only downside is the price (definitely look at factory finds)
 
both pairs of on3ps I have owned have the most unbelievable sidewalls ever. edges crack and pull out over time like any other park ski, but the sidewall just refuses to split or crack even after riding them in the street
 
14533719:KaneDog said:
If you have the money, maybe. But you can get solid new park skis on summer sales for $300, there's too much variability and risk in park skiing to drop 600+ on pair of dedicated park skis. If you plan on just riding all mountain with a few rails here and there, I think they are awesome.
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Nah
 
14533701:TWoods said:
I was ON3Ps third paying customer and received the thirtieth pair of skis Scott and Rowen ever built. Skied them as hard as I possibly could all over Utah for 3-4 seasons, and the only problem with them was a single edge crack after they became my dedicated park skis. Since then I’ve had several other pairs, all of them skied incredibly well and held up forever (edit: by “forever” I don’t mean “a long time,” I mean they are still in my garage in great shape). I literally pulled a pair of park skis out of their warranty bin, mounted them (3rd mount) and skied them for 3 seasons on and off. The last season I skied I got a pair of billy goats. They are hands down the best pair of soft snow skis (powder or chop) I have ever skied in my life.

I used to ski 20+ skis a year at industry trade shows and was never impressed with how other ski brands skied. There were a few outliers but they were few and far between and mostly purpose built skis vs ones I felt could work in multiple conditions.

if I still skied, I’d have a whole quiver of ON3P for different conditions, and then every day have a hard time choosing which ones to put on. I have skied on every ON3P model ever built besides the Woodsman, ironic as it’s my namesake.

I don’t work for ON3P anymore, so this is not a paid endorsement. I haven’t skied in 4 years and don’t really talk shop with those guys anymore. but cannot imagine anything has changed.

**This post was edited on May 2nd 2023 at 10:10:06am
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Why no more ski ?
 
If you're wrecking multiple pairs of reckoners I'd say go for it, switch it up. Even if ON3P only lasts you a single season, you are still doing better than buying 2 pairs of K2's for a single season
 
Broke 3 pairs of Armadas last year. Bought a pair of Woodsman 110s at the beginning of the season and they barely have a scratch. Definitely worth in my opinion
 
14533949:ScootSkiLyfe said:
Why no more ski ?
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It's too personal to get into details on NS, so I'll just say generally that unexpected life circumstances changed my ability to spend that much time focused on a passion completely related to myself. Pair that with not working in the ski industry anymore and it becomes cost prohibitive. If you tried to guess the "circumstance" I'm referring to, you won't be able to, I promise. Sorry to be vague.

Skiing was the most important thing in my life until it wasn't. I have a family now (wife and three children). My family brings me exponentially more joy and gives more direction and meaning to my life than skiing ever did, or ever could in hindsight. I'm sure if I'd heard someone say something like that 10 years ago I'd have be extremely skeptical, as I'd bet you may be now. I went from skiing 120~ days a year to 0 in about 3 years, and although I certainly miss it, I miss it surprisingly little.

Edit: Buy ON3Ps, you won't regret it.

**This post was edited on May 4th 2023 at 1:20:49am
 
14534196:TWoods said:
It's too personal to get into details on NS, so I'll just say generally that unexpected life circumstances changed my ability to spend that much time focused on a passion completely related to myself. Pair that with not working in the ski industry anymore and it becomes cost prohibitive. If you tried to guess the "circumstance" I'm referring to, you won't be able to, I promise. Sorry to be vague.

Skiing was the most important thing in my life until it wasn't. I have a family now (wife and three children). My family brings me exponentially more joy and gives more direction and meaning to my life than skiing ever did, or ever could in hindsight. I'm sure if I'd heard someone say something like that 10 years ago I'd have be extremely skeptical, as I'd bet you may be now. I went from skiing 120~ days a year to 0 in about 3 years, and although I certainly miss it, I miss it surprisingly little.

Edit: Buy ON3Ps, you won't regret it.

**This post was edited on May 4th 2023 at 1:20:49am
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Well while I am sorry to hear that, at the same time I am happy to hear that you are in a position in life where you have a family whom you love! Maybe you'll want/be able to ski again someday in a different way or with your fam!
 
You’d be surprised, perhaps… but I have literally heard people pronounce it that way though, so there’s no way for me to know you were joking.

14534641:KaneDog said:
Almost as if i was intentionally joking !
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