On3p (Kartel 108) vs Moment (deathwish 108)

[Flacker]

Decided it’s worth the extra money to help out smaller ski companies so I’ve decided on either On3p or moment.

But I has some questions both about the Jeffery and the wildcat (and possible the deathwish?).

Im an “expert” skier ( 6’2 155pounds) who lives in the Pacific Northwest and will primarily be skiing in Idaho and Oregon. I tend to ski at high speeds and need something that will give me confidence to go Mach 10 while boosting side hits and smashing through crud. I look for powder and tree skiing when I can but usually shred all over the resort and hit a few park laps here or there so the ability of having playfulness and huckability is a plus.

anyone have any experience with these skis? Been looking at the Jeffrey for quite a while but a lot of people have told me to look into the Wildcats and even more the deathwish.

right now I right the Rossi Slats and love them but am looking for some more beef for the deeper days. Any and all advice is much appreciated!

**This thread was edited on Nov 2nd 2020 at 11:58:19pm

 

[No.Quarter]

Most would argue that ON3P has marginally better durability, but I've seen some Moments take some good abuse too

I've been on Jeffrey 114's for several years now and two different Wrenegades and they have taken some serious abuse. Like deliberately smashing into rocks, early season shark hunting, skiing through parking lots, stairs, maintenance neglect, really put them through the wringer. There is a reason that the Jeffrey is such a popular ski in the playful charger category, but I have also heard so many good things about the Wildcat.

You really can't go wrong, check out the Blister gear reviews of both of these.

 

[EPfanboy]

Is the ON3P Jeffrey the same as the kartel?

 

[Kevski]

Sounds like you’re looking at the right skis.

Worth getting more firsthand opinions but for a very basic understanding, mine is this:

- Jeffrey 108: the most freestyle of the bunch but with a solid backbone, seems best suited to a playful style that goes hard

- Wildcat 108: similar but a bit more charge and a bit less freestyle

- Deathwish: triple camber helps it rail on hard snow and everywhere else, don’t think I’ve ever heard anything bad about this ski

Personally I’m on the Jeffrey/Kartel train but I’ve got friends on both Wildcats and Deathwishes and we all love our skis so I don’t think you can go wrong.

 

[Austintexas25]

I ride the jeffery’s as my only ski and they are a solid ski. We had a really bad snow year at Hood so early season was a lot of slush, rocks and ice. They hold a good edge if you’re standing on the balls of your feet, like I could run a gs corse on these and still have fun, but if you shift your weight any farther forward they start to skid which can be fun for making brushed turns. They took a ton of rock abuse with no more than nail deep base scratches and provide a ton of pop off of set up snow and side hits.

Once the snow finally came in like

january we got 6 feet of fresh in 2 days I think and these kept me afloat. There’s a little tip dive if you’re too far forward so again you gotta stay on the balls of your feet but that massive amount of rocker keeps you on top even if you’re going slow. I was really impressed with them the trees too because you can throw them sideways to scrub speed super easy and they’re hella agile but they don’t fall apart when you’re pointing in back onto chopped up trails. One of my most memorable moments this season was doing a wheely all the way down this steep bowl when the snow was soft and choppy and the skis just absorbed everything.

in the park I can’t speak much about their performance because I’m

bad but I did learn my first 3s on these skis so I have no doubt someone with more technique could use these as a jump ski.

Plus if you live near Portland you can just pick the skis up from the factory (not sure if you can do this now cause COVID) and the dudes are hella chill. So like yeah man send it on the Jefferys.

Also I’m 5’10 135lbs and I ride the 181cm

**This post was edited on Nov 3rd 2020 at 3:35:33am

 

[Flacker]

You on the 98’s? Or the 108’s? I’ll be at meadows and timberline for a couple months.

I ride the jeffery’s as my only ski and they are a solid ski. We had a really bad snow year at Hood so early season was a lot of slush, rocks and ice. They hold a good edge if you’re standing on the balls of your feet, like I could run a gs corse on these and still have fun, but if you shift your weight any farther forward they start to skid which can be fun for making brushed turns. They took a ton of rock abuse with no more than nail deep base scratches and provide a ton of pop off of set up snow and side hits.

Once the snow finally came in like

january we got 6 feet of fresh in 2 days I think and these kept me afloat. There’s a little tip dive if you’re too far forward so again you gotta stay on the balls of your feet but that massive amount of rocker keeps you on top even if you’re going slow. I was really impressed with them the trees too because you can throw them sideways to scrub speed super easy and they’re hella agile but they don’t fall apart when you’re pointing in back onto chopped up trails. One of my most memorable moments this season was doing a wheely all the way down this steep bowl when the snow was soft and choppy and the skis just absorbed everything.

in the park I can’t speak much about their performance because I’m

bad but I did learn my first 3s on these skis so I have no doubt someone with more technique could use these as a jump ski.

Plus if you live near Portland you can just pick the skis up from the factory (not sure if you can do this now cause COVID) and the dudes are hella chill. So like yeah man send it on the Jefferys.

Also I’m 5’10 135lbs and I ride the 181cm

**This post was edited on Nov 3rd 2020 at 3:35:33am

 

[Flacker]

Yeah there the same my bad

Is the ON3P Jeffrey the same as the kartel?

 

[Austintexas25]

You on the 98’s? Or the 108’s? I’ll be at meadows and timberline for a couple months.

108s

we should link up when you’re out here bro! I’ll be instructing at meadows so I’m there pretty much every day

 

[CatdickBojangles]

Jeffrey’s rip. Love mine. If I didn’t have an addiction to buying skis they would be my one ski quiver.

 

[Flacker]

Hell ya man I’ll shoot ya a DM need some new homies to ride with

108s

we should link up when you’re out here bro! I’ll be instructing at meadows so I’m there pretty much every day

 

[anders_a]

how would you rate the 96 vs 102 vs 108 jeffry?

 

[Rodigan]

I have had the Kartel 108 and the Deathwish, the latter being my current ski. The DW is definitely better all over the mountain, has better float and will charge as much as you can. Durability is just as good as ON3P too.

 

[animator]

Sounds like you’re looking at the right skis.

Worth getting more firsthand opinions but for a very basic understanding, mine is this:

- Jeffrey 108: the most freestyle of the bunch but with a solid backbone, seems best suited to a playful style that goes hard

- Wildcat 108: similar but a bit more charge and a bit less freestyle

- Deathwish: triple camber helps it rail on hard snow and everywhere else, don’t think I’ve ever heard anything bad about this ski

Personally I’m on the Jeffrey/Kartel train but I’ve got friends on both Wildcats and Deathwishes and we all love our skis so I don’t think you can go wrong.

I have jeffreys and deathwishes because I’m a spoiled brat who literally spends all of his money on skiing and I can’t tell you one bad thing about either ski. The Jeff 108 is stupid fun for everything, I use it as my daily/park ski and it’s fun, stable, poppy, durable. The deathwish is my touring ski with a tecton 12 and it’s light, planted, easy to whip around. I don’t ski it in the resort much because of the binding I have on it but the few days I have it’s killer (the ski itself is more than adequate for resort riding but it’s more me not having full trust in pin bindings yet). Both skis are awesome, if you’re taking the occasional park lap I would say the Jeffrey is the best way to go

 

[Kevski]

how would you rate the 96 vs 102 vs 108 jeffry?

Give me a month and I’ll be able to weigh in on all three.

Love the 108 for everything (mounted with shifts so I tour on it too), but picked up a 96 for low tide smaller resort ripping and park. Sometimes the 108 felt like overkill on those small hill chill days.

I also sized down to 181 in the 96 which probably skews it further, but I felt like the 96 wasn’t quite enough ski and kept reaching for my 108s. The 96 was notably lighter and snappier and quicker edge to edge, shorter turns etc. Also felt quite a bit softer but that might just be because it was too short and I was able to leverage over the noses and tails more. For this reason they didn’t feel nearly as stable as the 108. Super fun but not the role I wanted it to play in my quiver, and I didn’t really take as much advantage of their strengths as I had hoped.

So this year I swapped out the 96 for J102 in 186, which I have yet to ride. But with the lighter cores this year and being right in the middle in terms of specs it should really feel somewhere right in the middle. It’s gonna be my low tide anywhere and also park and local mountain any day ski.

 

[Flacker]

Thanks for all the help guys really narrowing it down for me. The 102ive been keeping. My eye on but feel like I might as well go 108. I was really intrigued by the woodsman when it was released but might be too directional

 

[alpha.moose]

I can't speak to ON3P, but I personally really loved the deathwish. 112 is definitely wide for a daily driver, but I thought its edge hold did just as good as the wildcat 108 while being a lot more fun. The wildcat 108 was fun too, but I just didn't walk away with a huge grin like I did on the deathwish.

 

[No.Quarter]

Thanks for all the help guys really narrowing it down for me. The 102ive been keeping. My eye on but feel like I might as well go 108. I was really intrigued by the woodsman when it was released but might be too directional

I think the Woodsman has acheived a good balance between the playful nature of the Jeffrey, but gains a lot of confidence to charge without feeling super serious like the Wrenegade. There are times that my Jeffs feel like they wanna dance too much when I wanna charge, and the Wrenegade does not like to bounce and wheelie and pop when I feel like playing. The woodsman is kinda like a more supportive Jeffrey, or a more playful Wrenegade depending on how you look at it. If you wanna land switch in pow and like a tail with more release, definitely go Jeff, but if you just wanna cruise groomers or ski switch in the park a little and could appreciate a little extra tail support without losing playfulness, go Woodsman.

However my view is probably pretty skewed because I am comparing a 181 Jeffrey and a 192 Wrenegade, sometimes the difference in skiing style is purely dictated by the ability to swing the skis around in tight terrain. I'm on a 184 Wrenegade now and while it is still a very stable charger, I am able to play a little more

 

[OhJay]

I have experience on neither skis, but if Oregon snow is anything like the wet dense and heavy maritime snow in WA where I ski, it's worth mentioning the heavier weight of ON3Ps will have the advantage for charging through crud.

 

[animator]

Thanks for all the help guys really narrowing it down for me. The 102ive been keeping. My eye on but feel like I might as well go 108. I was really intrigued by the woodsman when it was released but might be too directional

The Woodsman isn’t directional as one would think. It’s definitely more directional than the Jeff but as [tag=229241]@patagonialuke[/tag] put it, it’s awesome if you want to ski/land switch occasionally, and don’t spend a lot of your time doing so. I personally went for the Jeffrey because I’ve been skiing close to center mounts all my life, but having also been on the Woodsman 108, it’s a stupid fun ski. The difference is really how hard you can push it compared to the Jeff because of the mount point. It can still ski and land switch more than fine, but if you find yourself skiing park or spinning a lot, the Jeff definitely makes more sense.

 

[Flacker]

Yo thank you all again so much really appreciate all this feedback. Living in Portland and trying to make as little carbon footprint I’m going with On3p but as soon as I get the cash imma try and add the deathwish just for shits and giggles!

 

[Flacker]

The Woodsman isn’t directional as one would think. It’s definitely more directional than the Jeff but as [tag=229241]@patagonialuke[/tag] put it, it’s awesome if you want to ski/land switch occasionally, and don’t spend a lot of your time doing so. I personally went for the Jeffrey because I’ve been skiing close to center mounts all my life, but having also been on the Woodsman 108, it’s a stupid fun ski. The difference is really how hard you can push it compared to the Jeff because of the mount point. It can still ski and land switch more than fine, but if you find yourself skiing park or spinning a lot, the Jeff definitely makes more sense.

You answered it right here man I was gonna go with the woodsman but I’m so used to being center mounted (or close enough) that the Jeff’s sounds like there right for me even if I only land switch ever so often.

 

[animator]

You answered it right here man I was gonna go with the woodsman but I’m so used to being center mounted (or close enough) that the Jeff’s sounds like there right for me even if I only land switch ever so often.

Love the Jeff’s can’t go wrong brother