On3p kartel 106

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SkettiDino

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I really like the kartel 106 and I think I want it more than the 98, but I'm afraid it is going to be terrible in the park. Is this true. I do ski a lot of park so would this be a bad choice.
 
Thanks for checking out the Kartel. I can assure you that the 106 is not "terrible" in the park.

Differences between the 98 and 106:

-8mm at the waist (which isn't much, really)

-106 has slightly longer turn radii

-Obviously, the 106 is a little heavier as it's wider. This adds a little bit of swing weight.

Similarities:

-Same 100% bamboo core

-Same durability in the 2.5x2.5mm edge and 1.8mm 4000 series base (FAST! ZING!)

-Same elliptical rocker and sidecut

-Both made by hand in our Portland, OR factory

The main deciding factors, for me, are how much you'll want to ski outside the park, and the sort of park style you have.

If you're spending more than 50% of your time outside the park, and if you live somewhere where it snows more than 200" per year, I'd suggest the 106. That said, I had a great 8" pow day at Brighton last year on the 98, so you're not losing out if you go narrow.

Personally, I don't spin more that 7s in the park, and prefer to emphasize style and fluidity in lower rotations rather than looking to spin fast. That means that I end up skiing park on the 98 (rather than the Filthy, because I slot this as a park/spring specific quiver ski). Following the same comparison between the 98/106, I'd analyze whether you're looking to go more nimble with the 98, or if you'd be just fine with the wider platform and better soft snow performance in the 106.

Either way, you'll be fine.

Also: if you're looking to order online, we're out of stock on many of our Kartel sizes, but our retailers both brick-and-mortar and also online will have what you're looking for.

Cheers,

David
 
13580530:Literature said:
Thanks for checking out the Kartel. I can assure you that the 106 is not "terrible" in the park.

Differences between the 98 and 106:

-8mm at the waist (which isn't much, really)

-106 has slightly longer turn radii

-Obviously, the 106 is a little heavier as it's wider. This adds a little bit of swing weight.

Similarities:

-Same 100% bamboo core

-Same durability in the 2.5x2.5mm edge and 1.8mm 4000 series base (FAST! ZING!)

-Same elliptical rocker and sidecut

-Both made by hand in our Portland, OR factory

The main deciding factors, for me, are how much you'll want to ski outside the park, and the sort of park style you have.

If you're spending more than 50% of your time outside the park, and if you live somewhere where it snows more than 200" per year, I'd suggest the 106. That said, I had a great 8" pow day at Brighton last year on the 98, so you're not losing out if you go narrow.

Personally, I don't spin more that 7s in the park, and prefer to emphasize style and fluidity in lower rotations rather than looking to spin fast. That means that I end up skiing park on the 98 (rather than the Filthy, because I slot this as a park/spring specific quiver ski). Following the same comparison between the 98/106, I'd analyze whether you're looking to go more nimble with the 98, or if you'd be just fine with the wider platform and better soft snow performance in the 106.

Either way, you'll be fine.

Also: if you're looking to order online, we're out of stock on many of our Kartel sizes, but our retailers both brick-and-mortar and also online will have what you're looking for.

Cheers,

David
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Wow thanks that helped alot I am always just wishing I had a wider ski that I could ski the pow In when I take a trip to vermont, but still ski the park. How good would the 98 be in powder, and does that really raised tip and tail help even though the 98 is skinnier. Finally if I can do a backflip and like 5s and 7s and a ton of rails all season would the 106 be a bad choice over the 98 or...
 
13580544:eastcoastbc12 said:
Wow thanks that helped alot I am always just wishing I had a wider ski that I could ski the pow In when I take a trip to vermont, but still ski the park. How good would the 98 be in powder, and does that really raised tip and tail help even though the 98 is skinnier. Finally if I can do a backflip and like 5s and 7s and a ton of rails all season would the 106 be a bad choice over the 98 or...
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In a perfect world, you'd have one pair that's more park specific, and a wider pair for those softer days. My guess is that you're looking for a quiver of one instead.

As I said before, the 98 (and the rocker there)is just fine in powder, but the 106 will float better. The 106 will handle fine in the park, but the 98 will be more nimble. It's easy to see which is going to be better for what conditions--when you only get to pick one ski the decision should, in my opinion, be a reflection of what you're realistically going to ski the most. That way, you get the most benefit, and only have to deal with the drawbacks less of the time.

Of you could just buy both, but I'm biased.
 
13580569:Literature said:
In a perfect world, you'd have one pair that's more park specific, and a wider pair for those softer days. My guess is that you're looking for a quiver of one instead.

As I said before, the 98 (and the rocker there)is just fine in powder, but the 106 will float better. The 106 will handle fine in the park, but the 98 will be more nimble. It's easy to see which is going to be better for what conditions--when you only get to pick one ski the decision should, in my opinion, be a reflection of what you're realistically going to ski the most. That way, you get the most benefit, and only have to deal with the drawbacks less of the time.

Of you could just buy both, but I'm biased.
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Haha ok thanks so much I am looking forward to riding one of these skis. Also you said the shipping, that's ok I'm looking to get these at the end of this ski season, which for us east coasters has not even started. I probably shouldn't get my self super excited to get these yet, cause it's the only thing I will be thinking about,

Thanks again
 
Yo I have the Kartel 106s and I love them. They float pretty darn well and handle the park pretty darn well. I live out west and so far they've been an amazing 1 ski quiver. As Literature said, if you're gonna be out of the park more than 50% of the time, go 106. But if you'll be in the park most of the time, go 98. They are park dedicated skis nor pow dedicated skis either, but they both rip. You'll find the rocker helps them float. To me it sounds like the 98 would be a better option for you since you ski on the east coast, and they will still float nicely. To give you an idea on how 98mm skis do in the pow, theres a few of my buddies who have 98mm skis where I live as their main ski and one of my buddies down at alta rides the Karel 98 and alta gets a lot of snow. You'll be happy either way, but if I was you I would choose the 98. You're gonna love them!
 
13581015:Op. said:
Could you just send me both? I'll trade you some stickers and a $12 gas card.
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Let me wait around for a bit to see if anybody lowballs your offer, but if not, this is a pretty solid trade.
 
13580544:eastcoastbc12 said:
Wow thanks that helped alot I am always just wishing I had a wider ski that I could ski the pow In when I take a trip to vermont, but still ski the park. How good would the 98 be in powder, and does that really raised tip and tail help even though the 98 is skinnier. Finally if I can do a backflip and like 5s and 7s and a ton of rails all season would the 106 be a bad choice over the 98 or...
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I've shredded filthy riches in 8+ inches of snow and even at 88 underfoot the rocker profile helps an incredible amount with float
 
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