OMFG the iran war has already started

Check your history, (i know a lot about the six day war i've read two books about it). Eygpt provoked Isreal to attacking by blockading Isreali ports. Isreal asked them to stop, Eygpt didn't stop, so Isreal attacked Eygpt becuase if Isreal (a largely desert country with very little airible land) couldn't import food and other things they are screwed.
 
You are so wrong, saying that America is controled by radical Zionists makes you sound absolutly retarted and it makes you sound like a filthy racist. Comparing Isreal going into Lebanon and the Gaza Strip to save their soilders is uncomparable to the terrors that Hitler comited against the polish people, especialy polish jews. You are a racist pig and it sickens me.
 
No, check your history, before Egypt blocked the ports, Israel sent patrols INTO Syria and disobeyed boarder confinement. This caused Syrian brigades to take it as an act of war. Israel had been planning the attack LONG before Egypt blocked the Suez port.

Don't try to brag so much. I've read books on it too.
 
You are so wrong, saying that you believe radical Zionist not only makes you sound retarted, it makes you sound like a filthy racist. I would like you to name five Jewish Senators, and one Jewish Presidant, you can't becuase there is only one Jewish Senator and there has never been a Jewish President. The statement that our politicians are jewish is assinine at best. You also can not even begin to compare Isreal going into Lebanon and the Gaza Strip to save their soilders, to the atrocities that Hitler comited to the polish people, and especialy polish jews.

ps. You are a racist pig and you sicken me.
 
"Egyptian aggression initiated the war as Egypt formed a blockade of Israeli shipping in the Straits of Tiran, removed the UNEF peacekeeping forces from the Sinai, and deployed a large military force in the Sinai on the Israeli border. [1] [2] [3] "

thats from the Wiki article on it, but its backed up by these sources.

"In 1967, Egypt ordered the UN troops out and blocked Israeli shipping routes - adding to already high levels of tension between Israel and its neighbours." Israel and the Palestinians in depth, 1967: Six Day War, BBC website. URL accessed May 14, 2006.

"In June 1967, Egypt, Syria and Jordan massed their troops on Israel's borders in preparation for an all-out attack." Mideast 101: The Six Day War, CNN website. URL accessed May 14, 2006.

"Nasser... closed the Gulf of Aqaba to shipping, cutting off Israel from its primary oil supplies. He told U.N. peacekeepers in the Sinai Peninsula to leave. He then sent scores of tanks and hundreds of troops into the Sinai closer to Israel. The Arab world was delirious with support," The Mideast: A Century of Conflict Part 4: The 1967 Six Day War, NPR morning edition, October 3, 2002. URL accessed May 14, 2006.

those are from the BBC, CNN, and NPR three pretty liberal news companies if you ask me.

 
haha fuck you

point out a flaw in my argument... and back it up

calling me a racist wont do anything, it makes me smile and love my sweet white skin even more.
 
Hmmm that's rather comical. Those are all in 1967. Look what happened in late 1966 and early 1967. Yeah, that's what I thought. Pre war time my friend.

Funny how a BBC reporter who WITNESSED the whole war wrote that Israel had crossed Syrian boarders and initially provoked the first attack. His name is Jeremy Bowen and he wrote "Six Days". He actually witnessed the war from a neutral standpoint.

Oh, and what you failed to mention, Yes there was a massive buildup of troops by Syria and Egypt, but this was AFTER Israeli troops had already been deployed to boarder point towns and stations of the like.
 
I already did point out a flaw, show me a list of how many congressmen are jews and how many presidents have been jewish. I know there havent been any presidents, and im betting there haven't been many congressmen.
 
I will concede that Isreal may have made the first strike in Syria, but Eygpt was the one who removed the UN buffer zone between the two countries. That is a much larger act of aggresion then Isreal building up troops along its southren border.
 
So the Palestinians terrorize Israel and blow themselve up with the justification that Israel is occupying the Gaza Strip. They suicide bomb claiming to be fighting an occupying power. But then...

Israel withdraws from the Gaza Strip, yet the Palestinians continue to terrorize Israelis within Israel with missiles, kidnappings, etc rather than help their own impoverished people.

This is because the Palestinian goal never has been merely to reclaim their land lost in 1967 and be content. The goal of Iran, Palestine, and other middle eastern countries remains the same as it was in 1948, to wipe Israel off the map. Israel's neighboors are not content, despite concessions granted to them. They continue to question Israels right to exist and therefore Israel has every right to defend itself.

The problem is that this attack on Lebanon will just be used as another excuse to terrorize Israel in the vicious cycle.
 
iran (which is mostly persian, not arab, for everyone who didn't know) shouldn't be involved. neither should the US. i believe that hamas is a terrorist organization because of the suicide bombings and such but they were a democratically elected gov't so we can't bitch too much about it.
 
Why, oh why can be not keep our noses out of other peoples shit? We always get sucked in face first, and by the time we are done, we are covered and smell horrible for a couple decades.
 
The slant I read here is ridiculous. Israelis have as much right to be there as the Palestinians. The whole situation is quite childish. However, any violence currently sparked should be placed squarely on the Palestinians. In the last 5 years, Israel has granted numerous opportunities to allow Palestine to coexist. The problem is the Palestinians continuously blow it. First it was Arafat who was weak and incapable of controlling his own people. Then those imbeciles elect a terrorist group to lead them. People like Hamas don't have words like "share" and "coexist" in their vocabulary. I mean, come on! We're talking about a group of people that only a month ago sighed a document that granted Israelis a "right to exist." I can't help but laugh at anyone who considers that progress. The only resolution Hamas sees is Israel being destroyed. Arab nations aren't helping either (Iran, Syria, etc.). Some of them fund the Palestinian terrorist groups. They perceive Israel as a political and cultural threat and would love to see them removed from the region. Doesn't anybody wonder why the Arab countries don't send food and water instead of bombs and fanatics? The reality is that they don't give a shit about the Palestinian people, they just want Israel out. The nations that are not hostile (at least openly) to Israel simply ignore the whole problem (UAE, Turkey, etc.). The whole thing is laughable. It's not realistic to think that outside entities will further negotiation. It's also naive to think the UN will accomplish anything. The only way this can be resolved is if both sides have a sincere, open negotiation.
 
The do not have to be Jewish to have sympathy for Israel. Have you heard of Christian Zionists? Fucking crazy ass nuts who believe that the lord is coming back in the holy land and will judge everyone once he arrives.
 
I was about to make this point, Isreal made a complete withdrawl from the Gaza Strip therefore ending their "occupation." One would think that since what Palestinians were fighting for (the end of the occupation of the territories that Isreal gained in the Six Day War) was accomplished, at least in Gaza, that terrorist attacks from Gaza would stop, yet they havent. The sam situation for Hezbolah, Isreal removed all occupying troops from Lebanon in 2000.

The thing is, is that Hammas doesn't really care about the return of the West bank or Golan Hieghts. All theey care about is the complete destruction of the state of Isreal. They care nothing for the wellfare of their own people, or else they would end thier rediculous terrorism and turn their efforts towards home.
 
Unfortunately, talks with Palestine and Israel won't do much, because there are other enemies of Israel. I think in due time people will start to settle for what they have. If we give Palestine a country they will be somewhat content, and in the future, they will be much more likely to be susceptible to negotiation.

I think Israel really needs to be the bigger man here and sort of step back from the hostility. I mean they have to do something, but not so abruptly and irrationally as they have in the past. I think Israel really has the power to stop this, they just don't want to stop agression.
 
While thats great in practice, it hasn't really worked in reality. Lets review:

- Israel agrees to Oslo Accords and gives up land for peace...didn't work.

- Israel withdraws from Lebanon, Israel is promptly attacked...didn't work.

- Israel withdraws from Gaza, Israel again is promptly attacked...didn't work.

Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me three times...when will it stop? There are only two roads to resolving this.

a) Israel and Palestine compromise with a mutual agreement.

b) Ethnic cleansing. One or both parties is erased.
 
a-not going to happen as history shows.

b-seeing as how the united states are israels strongest ally its obvious who this will be
 
Why can't people every think of a better way to solve things than killing eachother? Needless death. Life is all we have, why waste it?
 
"B" is certainly the simplest option, but its sickeningly immoral and unethical. It's also what the Islamic nations want. I'll kill myself before I lower myself to their neanderthalish thinking.

It is possible for "a" to happen, it just takes work. A lot needs to happen. For starters Hamas needs to be exterminated.
 
why should hamas and not the current israeli government be exterminated? oh yeah because the us is israels bitch. israel will never be held responsible for anything. the palastiniens elected hamas to combat israel killing countless palastinian cilvilians. has israel thanked the us for vetoing that resolution the un was trying to pass? no they think its mandatory that we do such things
 
Uh no, because Hamas is a terrorist group while the Israeli government is an actual government. Keep digging.
 
ok please explain what makes israel different then hamas. israel is a fucking terrorist group. wouldnt it be classified as terrorism when you bring modern fighter jets and modern military technology against civilians over and over agin killing countless of them. the whole world is saying its dispraportinate(spelling?)
 
Differences?

Israel allocates resources to it's people. Things like food, water, and electricity. They also, in fact, allow the Palestinians to use some of these resources.

Hamas is a fanatical terrorist organization (as considerd by most of the civilized world) that rules "their own" people by fear and constantly broods violence. They were created and are funded by outside entities that care nothing for the people of Palestine, but for the removal of the Israeli state.
 
mostly true, but hamas also provides a lot of social services for the palestinian people like hospitals and schools. things that the PA couldnt, or wouldnt do. while the militant wing of hamas is esentially illigitimate, it really stems from the sense that palestinians have no other way to deal with what they see as an unwinnable situation. ive heard that the problem with a two state solution is that of resourses, namely drinkable water, which lies mostly within isreal. its for reasons like this and other social predicaments (many palestinians make their living working inside isreal) that make the two state solution a tricky one at best.

in the current situation, with hizbollah, we have to look at iran, which is essentially the puppet master pulling the strings of that organization. they were getting sick of the world comming down on them over their nuclear ambitions, so what better way then to get the worlds attention off them then to tell their cronies in hizbollah to run across the boarder and snatch a few isreali soldiers? its no secret that the iranians would love to see any conflict involving isreal escalate (as long as isreal doesnt come after them im assuming) as it would drum up support among arab nations for palestinian and lebanese islamist groups and perhaps propel the entire region into conflict... its also no secret that the arabs and persians could care less about the palestinians or the lebanese in hizbollah. there a tool to get after isreal. nothing more.
 
To winter parks first reply:

I'll first take issue with the Palestinians electing Hammas to combat Isreal. Hammas was elected becuase they had a platform that they would clean up the rampant coruption of the former administration. Hammas promised schools, hospitals, and other civil services. During the elections they said very little about Isreal, except for the fact that Hammas has never and still to this day does not recognize Isreal as a nation.

Next the US is hardly Isreals bitch for opposing Hammas. Hammas is a known Islamic terrorist group, much like Al-Quida. Its in the US's best intrest to cambat Islamic extremeism everywhere, since they are our enemies. I'm don't know if Hammas has ever attacked americans, but i do know that Isreals other enemy Hezbolah has. Hezbolah caried out the attack on US marines in Beruit in 1983 which killed 241 marines, which was the highest death toll from a terrorist attack untill Spetember 11th. So obviosly the US will support our ally in destroying our enemies.

To his second:

Isreal has not killed countless Palestinians, i would guess its only in the thousands. What makes Isreal different then Hammas is that Isreal has many times made sacrifices to Palestine in order to live peacefully in their own country. Hammas on the other hand has no interest in living peacefully, as i have said earlier Hammas, and many other Islamic groups and states, want nothing more then to destroy the country of Isreal.
 
Perhaps. It does go to show you what kind of "power" Iran is. Iran needs to resort to this nonsense because they know they're too weak to fight a real war. But who's to say Iranians are the only irrational and manipulative players here. The entire region has pieced together an interesting web.
 
Iran acctualy wields a lot of power. They are the worlds second largest oil producer, and has the west by the balls with that. They are a country of 65 million people, most of whom are radical Shite muslims. Iran also has great sway in Iraq since the majority of Iraqis are Shites. Also as we have seen in the past few days they are lead supporters of Hezbolah and Hammas, and have a good amount of influence in Syria.
 
I found this interesting, this is from an AP article today.

"I have huge debts and now my store is damaged," lamented Fadi Haidar, 36, owner of an electrical appliances showroom that was wrecked by a missile. "But Isreal is our enemy and it's the duty of every Muslim to accept sacrifices."
 
Here's another great quote from the same story

"Will the Israeli offensive go on for a long time? Absolutely," he said. "But even if they kill us all, we still will not give them back the (Israeli) prisoners."
 
Yeah, and they couldn't defeat the regime that we easily crushed twice. Saddam had lots of oil, but he forgot that you need weapons and good diplomacy to protect your borders.
 
thats very true, the US could easily take out Iran. Lets just hope they dont get the bomb
 
Actually, they have the same weapons and technology as they did then. Ak's/rpg's and Russian made tanks/mobile war. So they didn't "suck" They kicked Iraq out of their country and we had to step in and say "enough children let Iraq (our ally at the time) have their port land back. They actually used a tactic of sending their people in giant kamikaze waves. Some weren't even armed and were told to pick up guns of the dead. Their population is what beat Iraq, not their tactics.

Just figured I'd elaborate on the situation, because this has a lot to do with the relationship of Iraqi and Iranian governments today.
 
I was going to say something about Irans tactic of sending in thousands of men armed with nothing but Qurans, ohhh it just shows how backwards most Arabs are.
 
The good diplomacy was lacking, but the weapons were there. We backed Saddam and GAVE him numerous amounts of scuds and money to fund weapons for his army. Where Saddam lost was he was highly outnumbered and was a very poor military leader. His military stratagies were some of the worst in history.
 
The "weapons" comment was more or less a figure of speech, as such, a gun is only useful if you know how to use it.
 
Many people claim that the Iran-Iraq conflict spawned a particularly gruesome variant of the human wave attack. The Iranian clergy, with no professional military training, were slow to adopt and apply professional military doctrine. The country at that time lacked sufficient equipment to breach Iraqi minefields and were not willing to risk their small tank force. Therefore, Pasdaran forces and Basij volunteers were often used to sweep over minefields and entrenched positions developed by the more professional Iraqi military.

There were allegations that unarmed human wave tactics involving children as young as 9 were employed. One unnamed East European journalist claims to have seen "tens of thousands of children, roped together in groups of about 20 to prevent the faint-hearted from deserting, make such an attack."[22]. There has been a suggestion that girls were more commonly used for frontline mine clearance, and boys for unarmed "assaults." Reliable firsthand accounts of the use of children in human wave attacks are rare, however.
 
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