Olympic photographers

[asparagus]

Lmao who’s taking these shots?? I swear I could get better photos

 

[Jems]

pretty much anyone can be a photographer and honestly i don’t understand how some people get so far with their skills

i guess having the most expensive gear means you’re the most qualified

 

[Mackaroni_space]

pretty much anyone can be a photographer and honestly i don’t understand how some people get so far with their skills

i guess having the most expensive gear means you’re the most qualified

Good luck trying to explain to all the kids taking photography classes with their parents money that just because they have a $2K camera (again bought with parental money) they aren’t a real photographer lmao

 

[eheath]

pretty much anyone can be a photographer and honestly i don’t understand how some people get so far with their skills

i guess having the most expensive gear means you’re the most qualified

For events like the olympics, the camera equipment is supplied to the photographers for security/saftey reasons, these photogs are contracted by getty, so while they might not have a good eye for skiing, they are photojournalists.

 

[eheath]

Good luck trying to explain to all the kids taking photography classes with their parents money that just because they have a $2K camera (again bought with parental money) they aren’t a real photographer lmao

I mean $2k is almost nothing for a professional camera and I also don't think what you're saying is very common either, especially for action sports. Most of your favorite photo/video peeps didn't go to college for it.

 

[asparagus]

For events like the olympics, the camera equipment is supplied to the photographers for security/saftey reasons, these photogs are contracted by getty, so while they might not have a good eye for skiing, they are photojournalists.

this guy only took photos for the ski and snowboard events…you’d think getty could find a ski photographer, it’s not like they’re hard to find

 

[eheath]

this guy only took photos for the ski and snowboard events…you’d think getty could find a ski photographer, it’s not like they’re hard to find

While what you are saying is correct, it wouldn't be that hard, getty has a network and they contract whomever is the cheapest/local/people travelling there. Getting a legit ski photog to china just so getty can have slightly better photos is likely not worth it to them, as the people who licence their content pay very little for very basic assets.

 

[snowfinder]

for years wanted to get into photography but sadly could never afford decent gear, meanwhile I had friends in college get amazing gear and now are professional photography. It's just another industry held by the rich and allows the rich in, not always the way but 99.999999999999% of the time it's that way.

 

[eheath]

for years wanted to get into photography but sadly could never afford decent gear, meanwhile I had friends in college get amazing gear and now are professional photography. It's just another industry held by the rich and allows the rich in, not always the way but 99.999999999999% of the time it's that way.

While this might have happened to one person you know, this statement as a generalization is false, obviously you need nice gear but its not 2004, people can be a photog and use a phone my dude.

Skill, talent, networking and luck play much more of a factor than equipment.

Also, people in the photo/video industry are not "rich".

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2022 at 11:54:27am

 

[snowfinder]

While this might have happened to one person you know, this statement as a generalization is false, obviously you need nice gear but its not 2004, people can be a photog and use a phone my dude.

Skill, talent, networking and luck play much more of a factor than equipment.

Also, people in the photo/video industry are not "rich".

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2022 at 11:54:27am

you know professional photographers that got a job using a phone?

 

[SofaKingSick]

some of you are on the wrong track, these are not just noobs with expensive cameras. i picked one of the photog names at random to search, ben stansall, the dude photographs int'l tennis tourneys and heads of state. he's just not a ski photographer so he doesn't know the conventions etc like we do

 

[eheath]

you know professional photographers that got a job using a phone?

Yeah, I know people who shoot for xgames every year and produce content with iphones only for the broadcast.

Did they build their career off of using a phone? no, but one of them did with a gopro.

That being said, iphones are being using in hollywood every day, it's a viable tool. The idea that you only need to buy nice gear to become a video/photo professional is just false.

Most people shooting video professionally use rented equipment for specific shoots, photogs can use the same camera for 10+ years, equipment prices aren't keep people from being a professional photographer, everyone starts with cheap gear and only the most skilled/talented rise to the top.

A nice camera doesn't just take a good photo, there is so much more to the editing/processing that you're completely writing off.

 

[corona]

pretty much anyone can be a photographer and honestly i don’t understand how some people get so far with their skills

i guess having the most expensive gear means you’re the most qualified

This really isn't true. Anyone can take pictures, but it takes skill and imagination to take good photos. First, these are bottom-tier photographers working for a stock website. Second, look at their other images, they have zero experience with skiing or even winter sports in general. If you got sent to the summer Olympics with no experience photographing them or knowing what fans are looking for in their sport of choice, then had to rush between events and take photos, sort them, and get a certain quota to your editor before the even even finishes so they can be published within minutes of it ending you would also likely send a ton of shitty images.

 

[IHatePedophiles]

 

[SuspiciousFish]

It looks like these guys didnt get good access and had to use telephoto as well. Standing on the knuckle with a wide angle is the best shot IMO but you cant always do that on courses like this.

 

[eheath]

It looks like these guys didnt get good access and had to use telephoto as well. Standing on the knuckle with a wide angle is the best shot IMO but you cant always do that on courses like this.

For video, this would be fine but IMO a tele looks better for jumps, a point of reference would change everything but guy-in-the-sky photos have been a thing for decades.

Most of the time knuckle access is very restricted too, I think its a good angle for video but jumps can look underwhelming with a wide/fish on the deck.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

you know professional photographers that got a job using a phone?

Didn't they film a lot of those segment things during x-games purely with iphone? I thought they looked pretty good, which really comes down to the person behind the camera and maybe editing

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

Also it's not entirely the photographers' faults, tbf a ton of people were missing their grabs in the Olympics

 

[eheath]

Also it's not entirely the photographers' faults, tbf a ton of people were missing their grabs in the Olympics

That's not what people are complaining about, the photos framing and overall composition are bad aka 'guy in the sky' photos. The timing could be better but thats even more forgivable imo, these photogs dont watch skiing, they dont know what looks cool and thats not their purpose either.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

That's not what people are complaining about, the photos framing and overall composition are bad aka 'guy in the sky' photos. The timing could be better but thats even more forgivable imo, these photogs dont watch skiing, they dont know what looks cool and thats not their purpose either.

Oh I see what the problem is. It's like even if they're 4 feet out of the pipe you could make them look higher with the perspective/zoom?

 

[SuspiciousFish]

For video, this would be fine but IMO a tele looks better for jumps, a point of reference would change everything but guy-in-the-sky photos have been a thing for decades.

Most of the time knuckle access is very restricted too, I think its a good angle for video but jumps can look underwhelming with a wide/fish on the deck.

I can see that. I think with telephoto you just need to be aware of your angles due to the compression. I have seen some really good telephoto park shots though.

I agree, the guy-in-the-sky framing is what really kills it.

 

[eheath]

Oh I see what the problem is. It's like even if they're 4 feet out of the pipe you could make them look higher with the perspective/zoom?

Its not even the intention to make it look higher or better, its just straight up ignorance to what looks good, they just see a skier in a photo and it seems fine to them

 

[theabortionator]

It's a situation of not knowing the sport. It happens every time at the Olympics. They probably pretty decent with a camera but have no idea how to shoot skiing.

Guy in the sky shots ftw. Why waste space showing the jump or anything

 

[swervemane]

i bought my brothers gh5 off of him before he went to collage. Got super into photography but more filming skiing. bought an old vhx and that's all i've been spending my money on

 

[gravel]

for years wanted to get into photography but sadly could never afford decent gear, meanwhile I had friends in college get amazing gear and now are professional photography. It's just another industry held by the rich and allows the rich in, not always the way but 99.999999999999% of the time it's that way.

dude no, you don't need expensive equipment to be a successful photographer or any sort of artist, it's way more about skill and networking.

 

[snowfinder]

dude no, you don't need expensive equipment to be a successful photographer or any sort of artist, it's way more about skill and networking.

Should mention in order to become successful in this field you need to be able to freelance. You have to be able to go to a shoot and make it fit with in the clients schedule and then take the time to edit the product for them. To edit the product also costs money with programs in order to do so. Hard to do that without having a support system behind you(money). Again there are people out there that grind and make it happen but there are in the small %.

I know lots of successful artists and a lot of artists I admire and follow are ones that didn't have to grind. Some might play it off that they struggled but in reality they had money backing them. That is the reality of the art world like it or not.

 

[snowfinder]

Didn't they film a lot of those segment things during x-games purely with iphone? I thought they looked pretty good, which really comes down to the person behind the camera and maybe editing

Thats called marketing.

 

[eheath]

Should mention in order to become successful in this field you need to be able to freelance. You have to be able to go to a shoot and make it fit with in the clients schedule and then take the time to edit the product for them. To edit the product also costs money with programs in order to do so. Hard to do that without having a support system behind you(money). Again there are people out there that grind and make it happen but there are in the small %.

I know lots of successful artists and a lot of artists I admire and follow are ones that didn't have to grind. Some might play it off that they struggled but in reality they had money backing them. That is the reality of the art world like it or not.

You're still pushing some pretty ignorant generalizations here man, I know a ton of people who are DOPs, directors, producers, action photogs, studio photogs, etc and they all worked from the bottom to where they are now and no amount of money replaces that my dude.

I personally spent years of my life making the absolutely minimum amount of money and managing that money so I could support myself while I grew my career. I think your presumptions are a bit off, even if someone did get say $5k to buy gear and a computer etc thats just a basic investment as a freelancer, it in no way determines the work and effort that go into using that gear to create meaningful content.

The truth is, any business takes money to operate and if you're a freelancer, you're running your own business. It takes money to make money and that applies to all businesses.

 

[eheath]

Thats called marketing.

That doesn't mean an iphone isn't a viable tool for video and photo professionals.

 

[snowfinder]

You're still pushing some pretty ignorant generalizations here man, I know a ton of people who are DOPs, directors, producers, action photogs, studio photogs, etc and they all worked from the bottom to where they are now and no amount of money replaces that my dude.

I personally spent years of my life making the absolutely minimum amount of money and managing that money so I could support myself while I grew my career. I think your presumptions are a bit off, even if someone did get say $5k to buy gear and a computer etc thats just a basic investment as a freelancer, it in no way determines the work and effort that go into using that gear to create meaningful content.

The truth is, any business takes money to operate and if you're a freelancer, you're running your own business. It takes money to make money and that applies to all businesses.

Yes to start off you always start from the bottom that's a given, having the support system of money behind you is a big leg up. That is something the art world always pushes away and never wants to talk about.

You started off by making edits of some of the best skiers in the world and having the gear to do so, that's a leg up.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

Thats called marketing.

The purpose doesn't detract from the quality of the camera/camera work. It's not gonna ever make me buy an iPhone but it does leave me impressed.

 

[eheath]

Yes to start off you always start from the bottom that's a given, having the support system of money behind you is a big leg up. That is something the art world always pushes away and never wants to talk about.

You started off by making edits of some of the best skiers in the world and having the gear to do so, that's a leg up.

How is any amount of money a leg up? Cameras are dirt cheap these days, I'm gonna keep pushing back on you about this because I've lived it and have many friends who have also lived it and in one of the cheapest industries ever. If you move to LA and start PA jobs, you will work your way up to being on legit sets doing legit jobs and you dont even have to own a camera, your arguments about money are invalid.

And I made edits of my friends, some of them ended up becoming successful skiers, this is the "luck" component I was talking about earlier. But, this is a bit of generalization about me too, I filmed pro skiers but I didn't make money from that, I had to hustle my way through companies and brands to get them to pay me to make videos of their athletes, I didn't just get a paycheck for filming good skiers, you get what I'm saying?

Until 2020, I was making barely enough money to survive every month, the ski industry was a fun time and it propelled me to where I am today, but the idea that filming good skiers was a leg up is just comedy, that was over 10 years ago and I didn't start making a decent salary until I left the industry.

 

[SmokedGouda]

You don’t need nice gear to start, but if you get good or told you’re good, you’ll eventually crave better gear in the long run like I did.

 

[Professor-Modelo]

Finances can be a leg up because they provide one with more disposable time, aka more time to fuck around in the mountains and film their boys doing ski tricks. Obviously a 2k camera isn’t out of the question for someone who works and presumably owns a pair of skis, but it undeniably makes it easier to hone ones craft if their parents pay for their rent, and they don’t have to sacrifice their time on the hill to work a restaurant job to feed themself.. not suggesting anything about you in any way btw , idk about the details of your time as a filmer whatsoever, so I’m definitely not suggesting you were one of these

How is any amount of money a leg up? Cameras are dirt cheap these days, I'm gonna keep pushing back on you about this because I've lived it and have many friends who have also lived it and in one of the cheapest industries ever. If you move to LA and start PA jobs, you will work your way up to being on legit sets doing legit jobs and you dont even have to own a camera, your arguments about money are invalid.

And I made edits of my friends, some of them ended up becoming successful skiers, this is the "luck" component I was talking about earlier. But, this is a bit of generalization about me too, I filmed pro skiers but I didn't make money from that, I had to hustle my way through companies and brands to get them to pay me to make videos of their athletes, I didn't just get a paycheck for filming good skiers, you get what I'm saying?

Until 2020, I was making barely enough money to survive every month, the ski industry was a fun time and it propelled me to where I am today, but the idea that filming good skiers was a leg up is just comedy, that was over 10 years ago and I didn't start making a decent salary until I left the industry.

 

[eheath]

Finances can be a leg up because they provide one with more disposable time, aka more time to fuck around in the mountains and film their boys doing ski tricks. Obviously a 2k camera isn’t out of the question for someone who works and presumably owns a pair of skis, but it undeniably makes it easier to hone ones craft if their parents pay for their rent, and they don’t have to sacrifice their time on the hill to work a restaurant job to feed themself.. not suggesting anything about you in any way btw , idk about the details of your time as a filmer whatsoever, so I’m definitely not suggesting you were one of these

You can make up any scenario, but the point is I'm trying to break that generalization because it's not very fair just to assume people who shot videos or take photos professionally have had a free ride to where they are because of money.

Money helps in any life situation but no amount of money will make you a video/photo professional, there is so much time and effort that needs to be put into it, years of work can not be replaced by money.

 

[Schoess]

Yes to start off you always start from the bottom that's a given, having the support system of money behind you is a big leg up. That is something the art world always pushes away and never wants to talk about.

You started off by making edits of some of the best skiers in the world and having the gear to do so, that's a leg up.

After my rich parents bought me and the homies helicopters, the next big thing was cameras. As soon as we got ourselves some Hasselblad's, we were doing coke off strippers asses in Mexico making more than my parents from photography alone.

 

[Professor-Modelo]

Valid

You can make up any scenario, but the point is I'm trying to break that generalization because it's not very fair just to assume people who shot videos or take photos professionally have had a free ride to where they are because of money.

Money helps in any life situation but no amount of money will make you a video/photo professional, there is so much time and effort that needs to be put into it, years of work can not be replaced by money.

 

[BLandz]

Lets be honest here, if Megan was sending a trip 21 to the flats in hockey gear the pictures would be pretty sweet

 

[snowfinder]

You can make up any scenario, but the point is I'm trying to break that generalization because it's not very fair just to assume people who shot videos or take photos professionally have had a free ride to where they are because of money.

Money helps in any life situation but no amount of money will make you a video/photo professional, there is so much time and effort that needs to be put into it, years of work can not be replaced by money.

Having the support system behind you allows you the freedom to go down avenues you wish to explore and possibly have a career in. Not everyone has the opportunities to do so because they are tied to making payments in order to live.

 

[eheath]

Having the support system behind you allows you the freedom to go down avenues you wish to explore and possibly have a career in. Not everyone has the opportunities to do so because they are tied to making payments in order to live.

This is still a very anecdotal statement, plenty of people go down the path of opportunity because they worked hard to get there, not because they have money, you just need to give up this argument man its doesn't make any sense.

 

[snowfinder]

This is still a very anecdotal statement, plenty of people go down the path of opportunity because they worked hard to get there, not because they have money, you just need to give up this argument man its doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make sense because you're on the inside trying to look out. There are plenty of talented people out there that tried to become a professional in the art world but weren't able to commit to it because they had to pursue other opportunities that paid more in order to live.

All I'm saying is to make it in the arts it helps to start with money.

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2022 at 5:01:32pm

 

[eheath]

It doesn't make sense because you're on the inside trying to look out. There are plenty of talented people out there that tried to become a professional in the art world but weren't able to commit to it because they had to pursue other opportunities that paid more in order to live.

All I'm saying is to make it in the arts it helps to start with money.

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2022 at 5:01:32pm

It helps to have money in ANY situation involving career building, thats the point I'm trying to get you to understand. Being a freelance videographer or photographer does cost one money, but you can't just buy a camera and be a professional photographer, so while sure having the right gear matters, money alone does not help you as much as you're trying to say it does.

And it doesn't make sense because I know what I'm talking about and you don't, you're assuming everything and I literally lived the life man, can't you see that you're the one looking at the situation with an untrained/unexperienced opinion?

 

[snowfinder]

It helps to have money in ANY situation involving career building, thats the point I'm trying to get you to understand. Being a freelance videographer or photographer does cost one money, but you can't just buy a camera and be a professional photographer, so while sure having the right gear matters, money alone does not help you as much as you're trying to say it does.

And it doesn't make sense because I know what I'm talking about and you don't, you're assuming everything and I literally lived the life man, can't you see that you're the one looking at the situation with an untrained/unexperienced opinion?

There are a lot of talented people that tried to make it but couldn't afford the correct equipment to make it successfully. That's the part you seem to be overlooking. It's a grind to make it yes I addressed that it takes hard work and networking to make it in the arts yup covered that.

You don't know one person that was super talented in a certain field but had to give it up because it was not financially sustainable?

 

[eheath]

There are a lot of talented people that tried to make it but couldn't afford the correct equipment to make it successfully. That's the part you seem to be overlooking. It's a grind to make it yes I addressed that it takes hard work and networking to make it in the arts yup covered that.

You don't know one person that was super talented in a certain field but had to give it up because it was not financially sustainable?

Everyone I know who is passionate about filming or photo has basically done everything in their power to pursue their passion including going into debt/working off their gear like every other freelancer out there. Im sure some people gave up because they didn't want to figure out how to buy an expensive camera, but that just a natural selection of the career and you don't just get past this part of your career with money.

 

[snowfinder]

Everyone I know who is passionate about filming or photo has basically done everything in their power to pursue their passion including going into debt/working off their gear like every other freelancer out there. Im sure some people gave up because they didn't want to figure out how to buy an expensive camera, but that just a natural selection of the career and you don't just get past this part of your career with money.

You don't know one person that couldn't make it work? Makes sense now how you can't relate to it being far off from what you have experienced in your career and those around you.

 

[eheath]

You don't know one person that couldn't make it work? Makes sense now how you can't relate to it being far off from what you have experienced in your career and those around you.

Idk what you're trying to prove man, I'm done bashing my head into my keyboard, your opinion doesn't mean this much to me, have a nice.

 

[snowfinder]

Idk what you're trying to prove man, I'm done bashing my head into my keyboard, your opinion doesn't mean this much to me, have a nice.

Not my fault that you don't understand that talented, hard working and driven people in the arts are sometimes pushed out due to financial hurdles that are an underlining layer in the arts world.

 

[eheath]

It's just another industry held by the rich and allows the rich in, not always the way but 99.999999999999% of the time it's that way.

Not my fault that you don't understand that talented, hard working and driven people in the arts are sometimes pushed out due to financial hurdles that are an underlining layer in the arts world.

Only sometimes, but its an industry held by the rich and only allows the rich in, you're pulling all of this shit out of your ass.

 

[asparagus]

People in the arts that are born into wealth are able to take more risks due to financial stability.

It’s way easier to get into an industry through connections than sheer talent, just look at hollywood. Wealth brings lots of connections.

This guy shooting ski photos is a perfect example of this. Getty obviously didn’t search for a talented ski photographer to deploy, they took the guy who already had connections because they know at least he’ll show up.

 

[Upstate_Willis]

Only sometimes, but its an industry held by the rich and only allows the rich in, you're pulling all of this shit out of your ass.

Haha this thread is comical. I paid $300 for a t3i off of money made from being a busboy to buy my first camera. Then the 8mm, then the opteka grip. This guys just salty he got burned along the way.

 

[snowfinder]

Only sometimes, but its an industry held by the rich and only allows the rich in, you're pulling all of this shit out of your ass.

Pulling it out of expensive. Know anyone that made it in that field that came from a lower income background? They are out there sure, but how many people with that background tried to make it and couldn’t, you don't know any I do. From my experience those that made it into a successful career had a support system of an upper middle income background to help them reach their goals. I'm done trying to explain this to you, don't understand how you can't see things from a different perspective.