they're pretty nice, i bought a pair and rode them all season. turn nice, and despite everyone saying they held up terrible, mine did pretty well, with just some minor edge side delamination. i found them a little heavy for me, but then again, i only weigh 150 or so, so for someone who was like 180-200 they'd be just about perfect. they were stable, but also butterable. hope that tells you what you wanna know.