Ok people, Im gunna beat Bruce Wayne to it, here we go, surely the biggest arguement of all time..... Creation OR Evolution peop

The most current theory as to how organic life came about on earth is that all the gases in the atmosphere combined with water provided a wide variety of atoms, and when lighning struck (6 million to one chance) atoms formed into a longer than normal molecule chain. These conditions were replicated in an experiment as early as the 1900's, and when an electrical current passed throgh, a molecule was formed. Given billions of years, and chance occurences, the rudimentary molecules formed into cells, and then the rest is history. Personally, I am an atheist (I've been rejecting religion since my parents started feeding it to me when I was 6), because there simply isn't any evidence. Christianity would not hold up in a court of law, because it's all heresay. Until Jesus comes down on a cloud and tells me that I need to believe in him, I will remain the way I am. I realize I'm ranting, but I also think it's absurd that if you are a good person, and did good deeds all your life, but you didn't sit on your knees and read a book every sunday, you don't get to participate in everlasting happiness.

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-If the distance to the sun has no impact on life and a planets temp, then why is pluto frozen and mercury hot. ( humans can't live on either)

-and yes the axis of rotation 22 2/3 degrees does effect the seasons. if earth didn't spin at this angle we wouldn't have the ice caps which could also flood much of the planet.

- also the size of earth (gravity)a plenet the size of Jupiter would crush a human, and without gravity our joints get wierd.

-and plants need oxygen as well.

science hasn't answered as much as u think

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Our world is only perfect for the animals that live here because we evolved to our conditions. But there are some earth organisms that could survive on other planets. For example, there's a type of algae that lives in the hot springs in Yellowstone, and exists in extremely hot temperatures. Our surroundings only seem perfect because we evolved to fit in them optimally.

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I don't, but there is more evidence for what I said than for religion.

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here's the deal with pluto and stuff... the sun's rays do loose energy but at a slow rate. The distance to the sun is for the most part trivial. If the eath was shifted off of it orbit by 10 million miles the energy from the sun would still be the same (as very little energy is lost in 10 million miles through a vaccume) but Pluto is about 8,000 million miles away. so any planet in the 70-110 million miles from the sun range would be completely acceptable. The angle of the earth doesn't really matter... plants can exist in a climate with no seasons, and if we didn't have ice caps.... then our earth would have less land... we could still live here (ice is also larger than water. so all of the ice that is below sea level when melted will actually result in a reducion of space. the water levels would rise. but not as much as most people believe. (this wouldn't be a 'water world')

The earth's size is also irrelevant (to an extent) If we were born on a world with twice the gravity, then we could still exist. But going from earth to that planet would mess us up. Evolution also explains that we would be different if we evolved in a different climate. If our planet was 3x bigger and was cold we would adapt to those conditions. The reason why we are so 'perfect' for our environment, when in reality we're not, is because all variations of us died off.

And yeah I know plants need oxygen at the beginning of photosynthesys but it produces more oxygen than what is used.

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It was created. simple as that. Nobody else on this site has an explenation that is better than any other. Gdawg3 said that the most current 'theory' is ....... It is what people think might have happened based on circumstantial evidance.

- Even the method we use to date old things isn't completely valid. Carbon Dating. It assumes that the amount of carbon in the atmosphere is exactly the same as it is now. Even a slight variance in the amount of carbon in the atmosphere changes a date by hundreds, even thousands of years.

- And for the distances effecting radiation from the sun. The difference in distance from the earth to the sun, and pluto to the sun is a very small distance in relation to the size of the galaxy, of everything. Even mars Is colder, and it is relativly close to earth.

-And if distance wasn't a factor wouldn't we be getting as much heat from other star billions of light years away as from our sun?

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ahha man you're way out of proportion here. starts are billions of light years away. so that slight loss of energy is compounded over so much space that it ends up to be nothing... we could live on mars if it had an atmophere to retain the heat it recieves. So any planet that is in this very big window of space can sustain life....

Uropa is one of Jupiters moons and they want to explore that for life.

And the way that the atmophere was created was when the earth cooled the hydrogen ions were present and they combined in these highly intense conditions to form different types of essential molecules.

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carbon dating also isn't that flawed.... it detects the breakdown of carbon 14 to carbon 12..(or is it 12-10) this happens at a very predictable rate..... even things underwater still have carbon decaying (there's a better word for this but I forget) at that rate. So there's really no reason why there could be an error in billions of years.... maybe thousands when they are that old... but not billions. Yet creationists say that the world is... 65,000 years old if I remember correctly.

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what canadian kicker means is (i think). if you say the world was created by the big bang. then what was before that. and how was that that was before that created.

the problem with believing in a creator(if that´s what you do?) is that who created the creator?

you can keep on going like that forever. the only thing that would be interesting or matter would be if it was actually proven that there was a good.

 
Ski Instructor, you're probably thinking of half life.

The one thing that I hear creationists or religious people in general say is that evolution is only a theory. Or that the way life originate is only a theory. There is a monumental difference between the word 'theory' in vernacular, and the word 'theory' in science. In vernacular, it means a possible explanation. In science, it is a hypothesis that has been peer reviewed, backed up by truckloads of evidence, and published and scrutinized for years. So when scientists say evolution or the way life originated is a theory, they mean that it is one step away from being natural law (like gravity), because of the copious amounts of evidence backing it up.

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Most of what I was goign to say...has been said. Props to wjb, kami, mike, and Gdawg. I agree with all of you guys. I'll throw in a few thoughts if I think of some more later...

Matt

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Who cares it wont affect our life. You can debat for years and not know what was the right answer. I know it might be interesting but we probally will never know the answer. So I say lets all go eat some french toast!

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i agree Gdawg. and if evolution is only a theory what would creationism be called? I would probably call it a fairy story

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To go back to Cryss's question.... why does it have to be created? Why can't everything just BE? You're instinctively looking for a God in the situation somewhere because it's what you've been trained to believe. If there is anything to worship, it's the nature that brought us about; so in a way, THAT is the God- God is just the way things happen. That's my religion- I worship opportunity. :)

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My head hurts.

I think that the Universe was created, but only with amino acids and such which is how we evolved into what we have become.

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The most unfair thing about life is the way it ends. I think the life cycle is all backwards. You should die first, get that out of the way, then go live in an old folks home, then you should get kicked out for being too healthy, go collect your pension, then on your first day at work you should get a gold watch. You work 40 years until you are young enough to enjoy your retirement, you go drinking and partying, then get ready for high school. You go to elementary school, become a kid, you play, you have no responsiblities, you become a little baby, you go back and spend your last 9 months floating around in a spa and then you finish up as an orgasm!
 
I must live in a hick town, lots of you guys have open minds. Every single kid I've ever met at my school thinks I'm full of shit when I say that I'm an atheist, and they don't believe somebody could not believe in God.

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no offence to all you north americans but where i live in australia you are considered to have an open mind if you can accept the idea of an all powerful god

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ABout the carbon dating. yes everything decays. But it is still based on an assumption. we have no proof about the carbon in the atmosphere millions of years ago. anyways, just so u all know that I respect all of u. I'm not gonna tell any of you what to beleive. But just to keep an open mind about everything. at one point it was thought impossible to fly, and then impossibe to raech the moon. they were all fantastic stories that no one could fathom. just keep an open mind

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Keeping an open mind goes both ways. I know I can say for myself that I am not against the thought of there being a god. What I mean is I'm not just looking at one side here. I'm just taking the side that has waaaaaaay more evidence to back up its claims. I think someone above said this....but if it ever occured where god came down and smacked me upside hten head and explained the whole deal to me, hten yah sure I'd believe. Or if some solid, tangible evidence was ever presented to me to back up creationism, then yah sure I'd reconsider. But as it stands there just is NO evidence for it. And dont' tell me the bible.....becasue that is not evidence at all. Anyone could have written that back in the day.

Matt

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~~Phunkin' Phatt Phreerider~~

 
Kami, I dont mean to be a pessimist. But ok. I am so intrigued by this.. you asked why cant things just be. well i could think like that... But in the world we know things just dont 'be' they are created. how? through acts. HUmans have sex to reproduce. plants produce seeds that germinate. so everything comes about from SOME ACT... so that means the universe would have to be too.

thing that scares me is (for ex. in MEN in Black)a galxy is on the cats chain.. so whos to say this huge space to us. is somethnig so minimal to something else... Ahh.. i get to caught up in this..Ethan when you come see me this summer we'll get good and drunk and have a sick conversation about it

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