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Fuck, forget to mention I am running the Shimano M985 XTR Trail pedals with my Five Ten Maltese Falcons and will not ever look for pedals again.

Again, the Shimano M530 pedals are very similar to the XTR Trails with the larger platform, but are much, much cheaper.

M985 XTR Trails

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M530

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13133174:division.bell said:
Fuck, forget to mention I am running the Shimano M985 XTR Trail pedals with my Five Ten Maltese Falcons and will not ever look for pedals again.

OK, you pretty much sold me on Shimano in your previous post, thanks. I'll most likely go for the XT Trails which are between the two you posted in price. I could afford XTRs but there only seems to be a 15g weight saving. What are the realworld differences that made you go for those?

For shoes I can get the discontinued Teva Pivot for cheap which I like the look of and Blister's review said they have a snug heel (which I need) and walk well (which I do a lot of). Maltese Falcons, or maybe Maltese Falcon Race, are next on my list.
 
How do you folks feel about speedplay pedals? I have a pair of really nice ones but I don't have the cleats - I'm considering buying some for this...
 
13133182:Boax said:
OK, you pretty much sold me on Shimano in your previous post, thanks. I'll most likely go for the XT Trails which are between the two you posted in price. I could afford XTRs but there only seems to be a 15g weight saving. What are the realworld differences that made you go for those?

For shoes I can get the discontinued Teva Pivot for cheap which I like the look of and Blister's review said they have a snug heel (which I need) and walk well (which I do a lot of). Maltese Falcons, or maybe Maltese Falcon Race, are next on my list.

Haha, no real reason to opt for the XTR's really. I wanted them, found a good deal, so I bought them.

I'm a buy quality once kind of guy rather than buy cheap and have to replace. It definitely wasn't for the weight savings, they are not the best value to weight savings pedal choice.

The XT's are awesome pedals too, and I would've gone this route if not for the deal I got. I'm blown away at the quality of even the M530's; it's the best bang for the buck Shimano pedal out there.

Just depends on if you want the nicer axles/bearings and how much you want to spend. Shimano has the pedal market covered in my mind though. The only Shimano parts I run are their brakes and pedals.

13133185:DingoSean said:
How do you folks feel about speedplay pedals? I have a pair of really nice ones but I don't have the cleats - I'm considering buying some for this...

I've had friends and co-workers that loved them, but it's really up to the rider.

Rather than having the cleat on the pedal like a normal clipless, you unfortunately have to mount that part to your shoe which is pretty bulky. Because of this, there are compatibility issues with certain shoe manufacturers. Do your homework first.

Upside is the pedals are light and super minimalistic (oh so fancy looking), and the down is you add that missing weight and space to your shoe.
 
13133185:DingoSean said:
How do you folks feel about speedplay pedals? I have a pair of really nice ones but I don't have the cleats - I'm considering buying some for this...

Personally I HATE them, but it's really up to the rider.
 
13133232:division.bell said:
The XT's are awesome pedals too, and I would've gone this route if not for the deal I got. I'm blown away at the quality of even the M530's; it's the best bang for the buck Shimano pedal out there.

I'm on the M780's and I'll definitely vouch for their quality and durability. The pedal has no cage/platform at all, and despite that they haven't taken any damage even though I've rocked them pretty hard, quite a few times. The other thing that's great about the Shimano system is that they use steel cleats. I think Time, Look, and Crank Bros use a brass clear which will wear way quicker.
 
13133326:NinetyFour said:
I'm on the M780's and I'll definitely vouch for their quality and durability. The pedal has no cage/platform at all, and despite that they haven't taken any damage even though I've rocked them pretty hard, quite a few times. The other thing that's great about the Shimano system is that they use steel cleats. I think Time, Look, and Crank Bros use a brass clear which will wear way quicker.

Haha, I went with the platformed XTR Trails specifically for rock protection. They are pretty scuffed up, but work perfectly. Shimano's also have a solid "click" when you step into the pedal. Some of the SPD knockoffs don't make a sound when you step in and can be deceiving.

Since you mentioned the cleats, it's very interesting to see the difference in quality of materials Shimano uses for their cleats. My XTR pedals came with some very different cleats than on my wife's M530 pedals. But you are right, the Shimano cleats are steel and are not manufactured out of brass like Time/Crank Brothers. But it has to do with their pedal design differences; a steel cleat would prematurely wear the retention bars on a Time/Crank Brothers pedal.

What is interesting to consider is how much wear you do to your cleats when just walking around in your bike shoes...brass? No thanks.
 
13133163:division.bell said:
I've spent time on both SPD's (clones and Shimano branded) and Time's.

I thought the flotation the Time's and Crank Brothers add would be a good thing, but I could never feel as comfortable as I would with SPD's. I really like the solid connection between pedal and shoe, and found the Time's/Crank Brothers lacked any solid feeling whatsoever.

It really is personal preference, but I would recommend starting with the SPD's and see how well they work before trying the Time's/Crank Brothers. Just turn the retention screws all the way down and get a good feel for how far you need to rotate your heel to eject your foot.

If you do go with SPD style pedals, do not get the multi release cleats. Yes, they will allow you to unclip easier than the standard single release cleat, but they will also result in you frequently unclipping when you don't want to.

I started my wife out on Shimano M530's last summer and she picked it up quicker than I expected. Now she doesn't ever even want to switch back to flats. You can get the M530's for around $30 new.

You can easily mitigate the lack of straightness with your knees by adding a slight cant to your cleats before tightening them to your shoes. Most people I've set up on clipless for the first time move their cleats around 3-4 times before they feel comfortable enough leaving them in one place, this is especially true with SPD style pedals.

Old Shimano DX pedals?

I've been using the Five Ten Maltese Falcons for the past 2 years. For a skate style shoe they have a more aggressive tread pattern that I was looking for. Helps when hiking in the wet conditions we get out here, and the treads don't get clogged as easily as a standard skate style SPD shoe. The soles were stiffer than I expected, but they are nowhere near as stiff as a race styled shoe. Comfortable to wear driving to and from the trailhead, going out for beers after riding with no awkward strides due to a sole being too stiff, or the awkward shuffling required for glossy floors when wearing stiff race cleats.

Sorry my phone wont let me select just the part you quoted me. Yes they're the DX. You think they're worth throwing on my Turner 5 Spot or should I try to sell them amd get a newer pair? I've literally never used clipless before.
 
13133624:ThaLorax said:
Sorry my phone wont let me select just the part you quoted me. Yes they're the DX. You think they're worth throwing on my Turner 5 Spot or should I try to sell them amd get a newer pair? I've literally never used clipless before.

If you already have pedals, might as well give them a go before going through the hassle of selling your existing pedals to buy new ones. Especially if you've never used clipless pedals before. You still have the cleats lying around that came with the pedals?

You can find some cheap skate style SPD shoes out there; 661 makes some pretty basic and inexpensive shoes. I was able to get my Five Ten Maltese Falcons for around $90 at the time of purchase.

Your pedals are definitely beefy and overbuilt, but if you're not crushing souls on Strava while wearing spandex and racing your rigid 29er every weekend, they'll be more than sufficient. You could definitely be on a much worse pedal to learn clipless riding.

Said it before, but I'll say it again, in my opinion, Shimano owns the pedal game. They just do it better.
 
13133656:division.bell said:
If you already have pedals, might as well give them a go before going through the hassle of selling your existing pedals to buy new ones. Especially if you've never used clipless pedals before. You still have the cleats lying around that came with the pedals?

You can find some cheap skate style SPD shoes out there; 661 makes some pretty basic and inexpensive shoes. I was able to get my Five Ten Maltese Falcons for around $90 at the time of purchase.

Your pedals are definitely beefy and overbuilt, but if you're not crushing souls on Strava while wearing spandex and racing your rigid 29er every weekend, they'll be more than sufficient. You could definitely be on a much worse pedal to learn clipless riding.

Said it before, but I'll say it again, in my opinion, Shimano owns the pedal game. They just do it better.

I have no issues with beefy and over built!
 
Just finished building up a NS Surge with a Lyrik DH and Shimano XT/Zee grupo.

Definitely will post up some pics when I get around to it.
 
13133164:Boax said:
Thanks for this and other opinions, keep 'em coming!

And I guess I should post some stoke here too. I've hardly ridden any actual bike tracks this summer, but loving the natural stuff:

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Damn that's beautiful. I'd love to ride Europe sometime.
 
13134447:Bakerpow said:
Damn that's beautiful. I'd love to ride Europe sometime.

Yeah it's pretty sweet out here. We all think it's funny how Whistler is now promoting the terrain off Peak Chair as gnarly "backcountry" or whatever, but that's pretty much our everyday riding. I would love to ride Whistler bike park sometime though; I've learned on this technical terrain but suck at tables and big berms!

Today was a good day. Aiguillette Des Posettes looking down the Chamonix Valley to Mont Blanc:

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13134536:Boax said:
Yeah it's pretty sweet out here.

Fuuckkkk. Those views do not disappoint (and your other pics on this page as well). Totally jealous. I would gladly give up sculpted berms and jumps to ride terrain like that everyday.
 
13134536:Boax said:
Yeah it's pretty sweet out here. We all think it's funny how Whistler is now promoting the terrain off Peak Chair as gnarly "backcountry" or whatever, but that's pretty much our everyday riding. I would love to ride Whistler bike park sometime though; I've learned on this technical terrain but suck at tables and big berms!

i rode stuff like this in norway that was literally just finding your way down a mountain. riding on loam, heather, and other tundra type plants, slab rock, granite faces shit was so much different than riding around the PNW. literally the only trails you rode were single track hiking trails to get up then find your way down.
 
13134706:Bakerpow said:
i rode stuff like this in norway that was literally just finding your way down a mountain. riding on loam, heather, and other tundra type plants, slab rock, granite faces shit was so much different than riding around the PNW. literally the only trails you rode were single track hiking trails to get up then find your way down.

Although that sounds like a lot of fun, it sounds like really shitty natural resources management in terms on conserving the land in the long term. This is just the nerd in me speaking though cuz I literally studies natural resources management and conservation in college.
 
13134953:ThaLorax said:
Although that sounds like a lot of fun, it sounds like really shitty natural resources management in terms on conserving the land in the long term. This is just the nerd in me speaking though cuz I literally studies natural resources management and conservation in college.

Really? Norway seemed to me to be at the forefront of land management and resource management. They have done such an amazing job in how they develop the land keeping wildlife VERY wild and natural. The population of bikers doing what I was doing is soooo small do we really have an impact?
 
13135011:Bakerpow said:
The population of bikers doing what I was doing is soooo small do we really have an impact?

In the tundra, yes, it's very possible. The tundra is very sensitive and difficult to mitigate any damage done to it. Riding over scree fields? Not so much to worry about. It's not like backcountry skiing, where the snow provides a protective layer for the underlying soil surface. Once that surface is disturbed by a tire, it could take, years (possibly hundreds of years) for it to go back to it's original state. If one person is makes that decision to ride off the trail and damage the soil/habitat, what stops others from doing the same? I'm all for freedom of land usage, so from the way you describe it there needs to be some distinction or signage for specific areas like, "Sure go ahead and ride off the trails" vs "Please don't ride off the trails here it's sensitive habitat".
 
13134536:Boax said:
Yeah it's pretty sweet out here. We all think it's funny how Whistler is now promoting the terrain off Peak Chair as gnarly "backcountry" or whatever, but that's pretty much our everyday riding. I would love to ride Whistler bike park sometime though; I've learned on this technical terrain but suck at tables and big berms!

Today was a good day. Aiguillette Des Posettes looking down the Chamonix Valley to Mont Blanc:

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That looks amazing, living in Florida is depriving me of my mountains
 
Looks like MTBing is my next endeavor. Friend has an old Sette Carbon hardtail frame he is willing to let me use and possibly buy once we build up a bike.

Seems a hardtail is good to learn on, and one that is free/cheap is not a thing to turn down.

Needless to say, I am excited
 
13139953:.MASSHOLE. said:
Looks like MTBing is my next endeavor. Friend has an old Sette Carbon hardtail frame he is willing to let me use and possibly buy once we build up a bike.

Seems a hardtail is good to learn on, and one that is free/cheap is not a thing to turn down.

Needless to say, I am excited

What model is the frame?
 
13140075:NinetyFour said:
What model is the frame?

Not sure to be honest. Regardless, he said if I wanted to buy it it would be no more than $100 for the frame so, even if it is not a great frame, it is an entry bike for me.
 
As far as hardtails go, here's some guys killing it on a pair. Peter Sagan has amazing bike handling skills, somewhat of a shame he's busy racing grand tours; he adds great character to the pro peloton though. And Marco Fontana is also a pretty awesome dude. I love that he's keeping baggy shorts alive in elite mens races, along with some of the other Cannondale guys.


Really cool to see how they can take some big wheeled bikes with ultra long seatposts and effortlessly slide, whip, wheelie, and stair climb on them. That probably has a lot to do with them being pro.
 
13140091:.MASSHOLE. said:
Not sure to be honest. Regardless, he said if I wanted to buy it it would be no more than $100 for the frame so, even if it is not a great frame, it is an entry bike for me.

You definitely can't go wrong with that. Do you know if it's a 29" or 26" bike?
 
13140096:NinetyFour said:
You definitely can't go wrong with that. Do you know if it's a 29" or 26" bike?

Nope. It was purchased in 2011, so if I had to guess I would say 26? I would hope a 29" though
 
Went up downhill biking using a friends Kona Stinky the other day. Ended up getting a pedal to the shin pretty bad and sliced me open all the way to the bone. But holy shit it was so fun!!
 
13140101:GANDALF said:
Went up downhill biking using a friends Kona Stinky the other day. Ended up getting a pedal to the shin pretty bad and sliced me open all the way to the bone. But holy shit it was so fun!!

Fuck yeah. Where'd you ride?

I've punched a pedal pin through my shinbone. Not a good feeling; nor is any other tangle with most flat pedals for that matter.
 
13140546:division.bell said:
Fuck yeah. Where'd you ride?

I've punched a pedal pin through my shinbone. Not a good feeling; nor is any other tangle with most flat pedals for that matter.

I was up at Galbraith. Rode evolution, and the got hurt about halfway down unemployment line.
 
So I am picking up a 26er and need a few parts including a fork with 100mm of travel, 1-1/8 steerer tube not tapered, brakeset, crankset truvativ brand, GXP compatible, and some other stuff.

Where do i look
 
13140949:asian_allen said:
merlin cycles has really good deals on rockshox right now. maybe pick up a Recon Gold, dunno if they make Rebas with straight steerers but that's a good option too.

I hated the reba I had. just a personal experience.
 
13140593:GANDALF said:
I was up at Galbraith. Rode evolution, and the got hurt about halfway down unemployment line.

Nice. I still need to make it up there someday. You should check out Tiger if you can before they close it down for the winter. It's been super fun with the new trails and our unusually dry summer.

13140828:.MASSHOLE. said:
So I am picking up a 26er and need a few parts including a fork with 100mm of travel, 1-1/8 steerer tube not tapered, brakeset, crankset truvativ brand, GXP compatible, and some other stuff.

Where do i look

Adding to the already listed places;

www.pricepoint.com

www.cambriabike.com

I've purchased on numerous occasions from both; as well as Jenson, they are legit too. Pricepoint and/or Cambria will have some older parts too from a few model years ago. You can save money easily this way. Also, get on the email newsletters for Pricepoint/Jenson. They have frequent sales, so if you're not under the gun to get the bike rolling, you could probably save some money if you wait until a sale or two.
 
Maybe next year I'll have the money to get a real bike again. I miss MTB a lot right now and the one time I got to ride this summer I felt like I rode really well. Fuck...
 
13141318:division.bell said:
Adding to the already listed places;

www.pricepoint.com

www.cambriabike.com

I've purchased on numerous occasions from both; as well as Jenson, they are legit too. Pricepoint and/or Cambria will have some older parts too from a few model years ago. You can save money easily this way. Also, get on the email newsletters for Pricepoint/Jenson. They have frequent sales, so if you're not under the gun to get the bike rolling, you could probably save some money if you wait until a sale or two.

I've heard mixed reviews about Cambria's online sales, sounds like their shipping and customer service isn't too on point. I really want to get this Troy Lee D2 from them but I'm reluctant because it's "temporarily out of stock" and don't want to wait months for it to come.
 
13141337:p-fo said:
Maybe next year I'll have the money to get a real bike again. I miss MTB a lot right now and the one time I got to ride this summer I felt like I rode really well. Fuck...

I love riding and being able to do so easily year round out here. Usually ride at least once a week through winter if I can. I don't think I could go a winter without biking.

13141349:stupendous-man said:
I've heard mixed reviews about Cambria's online sales, sounds like their shipping and customer service isn't too on point. I really want to get this Troy Lee D2 from them but I'm reluctant because it's "temporarily out of stock" and don't want to wait months for it to come.

I've heard some things too but I've ordered several times over the last 5 years with no issues.

I'd only order something if it said "in stock" though. Been dicked around by other shops with ridiculous lead times in the past, it's not fun waiting for the shop you order from to have to wait to actually receive the item from who knows where.
 
13140592:asian_allen said:
This is my new favorite thread! It's my second year riding, mountain biking right now feels just like when i fell in love with skiing all those years ago. Gonna be a little bummed when winter comes i think!

Here's me doing a turnbar thing on my 650b Stumpjumper a couple weeks ago

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mmm that bike is sexy. cool dude glad you're gettin pumped on it!
 
One of my friends who rides for Pivot got invited out to the Red Bull Rampage so he gave our mutual good friend his Pivot Mach 6 Carbon (like a $10k bike setup) so he could go riding with me while he was hucking his Pivot Phoenix bike in Ootah. My buddy was all stoked cuz he sold his mountain bike a few years ago and aside from chasing this friend of ours on borrowed bikes (always from other pros haha), he hasn't really ridden a bike that fits him in a long time, let alone a carbon 27.5 bike worth $10k. Long story short, my friend pullled off the trail to let someone pass, and somehow managed to tear a hole in the tubeless tire on a rock, half way through the ride, while essentially at a standstill. We had to rig the 26" tube I carry around as a backup (I ride tubeless too) onto his 27.5 wheels. Wasn't easy, but it got us through the rest of the ride.
 
Yeah, I definitely think everyone should be riding with a saddle or frame bag that has at least a tube, some kind of inflator, and tire levers if you need them. My bag is loaded, a 29er tube, inflater head, two co2 cartridges, a multi-tool with a chain breaker, quick links, a brake pad spacer, and a map of where I'm riding. I know of soooo many people who ride without a thing. I have no idea why, it's not even that expensive to put all of that together.
 
13142459:NinetyFour said:
Yeah, I definitely think everyone should be riding with a saddle or frame bag that has at least a tube, some kind of inflator, and tire levers if you need them. My bag is loaded, a 29er tube, inflater head, two co2 cartridges, a multi-tool with a chain breaker, quick links, a brake pad spacer, and a map of where I'm riding. I know of soooo many people who ride without a thing. I have no idea why, it's not even that expensive to put all of that together.

Yup, I'd add a little food (powerbars, shot blocks, goo, whatever) and a $20 bill, especially if you are somewhere you don't know very well.
 
13142500:.MASSHOLE. said:
Should I get a 3x9 or 2x9 if I am building an XC bike for the NE area

well youre going to have a wider range on both low end and high end with a three by nine but of course you need to shift to get there and front derailleurs suck. if you have been riding the area on a bike you know you have a pretty good idea of how much gear you think you need and you can compare the two different set ups by looking at the gear ratios.
 
13142548:Tinga said:
well youre going to have a wider range on both low end and high end with a three by nine but of course you need to shift to get there and front derailleurs suck. if you have been riding the area on a bike you know you have a pretty good idea of how much gear you think you need and you can compare the two different set ups by looking at the gear ratios.

I unfortunately haven't. I am "building" a bike but my friend has a bunch of excess gear, and since this is my first MTB, he suggested we just throw some stuff together. One of the pieces he has is a 9-speed drivetrain.

13142554:Sklar said:
2x10 or 1x11
 
13142572:.MASSHOLE. said:
I unfortunately haven't. I am "building" a bike but my friend has a bunch of excess gear, and since this is my first MTB, he suggested we just throw some stuff together. One of the pieces he has is a 9-speed drivetrain.

i mean if might as well make it a 3x9 then if you already have a 9 speed drivetrain.
 
biking is fun because asian_allen never waits for me and I get lost

on a real note though I'm half excited to pour too much money into my bike next spring.
 
13142572:.MASSHOLE. said:
I unfortunately haven't. I am "building" a bike but my friend has a bunch of excess gear, and since this is my first MTB, he suggested we just throw some stuff together. One of the pieces he has is a 9-speed drivetrain.

Keep it simple and go 1x9. If you can't find the legs or gearing for a local hill then size down the chainring.

It will also be cheaper since you won't need to buy a front derailleur or front shifter. Go with a narrow/wide style chainring to help keep chain dropping to a minimum without the front derailleur there to catch the chain.

Losing front derailleurs makes mountain biking so much more enjoyable. Less drivetrain noise and no annoying front derailleur/shifter mis-shift bullshit.
 
13142459:NinetyFour said:
Yeah, I definitely think everyone should be riding with a saddle or frame bag that has at least a tube, some kind of inflator, and tire levers if you need them. My bag is loaded, a 29er tube, inflater head, two co2 cartridges, a multi-tool with a chain breaker, quick links, a brake pad spacer, and a map of where I'm riding. I know of soooo many people who ride without a thing. I have no idea why, it's not even that expensive to put all of that together.

Ya, so I forgot to mention that the spare tube I carried was a shrader and this specific rim (being a tubeless specific rim) only took presta valves.

It wasn't my friend's bike, and he hadn't ridden in a long time, so he obviously didn't carry around spare 650b size tubes. Hell, he didn't even know 650b was the new popular tire size. So honest mistake on his part. We waited like 30min on the trail til someone with a spare presta tube came by and I traded them for my shrader tube. It was so hard getting the tubeless 27.5" tire to properly seat the tubless rim with a 26" tube inside it, but it saved us a 1.5 hour hike out.

Long story short, I now know it's possible to rig a 26" tube into a 27.5 rim and wanted to impart that knowledge on my fellow NSers.
 
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