Official: Atomic & Salomon Shift 13 MNC Binding Thread

13901652:BushwhackerNZ said:
From what I understand Atomic is making a small amount available down here for pre-order through certain people. Sick getting it early for sure, but paying pretty much double on everyone else all the time is really starting to rip my undies

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I don't see how that is possible... who is your source for this?
 
Hey crew I've mounted a few sets of these and got to ski them a bit. No touring yet because we have no snow but hoping to get them out more on a trip at the start of April - happy to answer questions.
 
13902046:TBONE902 said:
Hey crew I've mounted a few sets of these and got to ski them a bit. No touring yet because we have no snow but hoping to get them out more on a trip at the start of April - happy to answer questions.
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How does it feel compared to the piv in height?
 
Took them for a ski a week ago at a local rep demo.

Very impressed. Lots of power and ski feel. I don't feel like I have a handle on whether or not you could huck on them all season, especially with a lot of switch landings, but it's a very compelling option to finally murder the frame binding while retaining the safety of a inbounds binding. With this, there's zero reason to have Dukes etc.
 
13902508:wpski said:
How does it feel compared to the piv in height?
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That was the bit that through me off the most. The pivot 18 at least has a -5mm drop from heel to toe. The ramp on the shift is flat. So intially it felt really high under the toe to me. But after 2 days riding it it really did not feel that odd to me. if you were switching every day it may feel a little odd but nothing you could not deal with
 
Got my first two days on them this weekend. Lots of things to say, big fan so far. Stoked to write the review.
 
13903624:B.Gillis said:
Please post that when you've got it live. Really interested to see how everyone feels. Can't decide if it's worth snagging a pair.
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The way I'm looking at it: at $440, if they arent all that and a bag of chips, we can recoup our costs and maybe even turn a profit. They'll be sold out everywhere by Thanksgiving
 
I'm thinking about putting these on some fat skis (128mm Praxis Protest), like for a Japan trip with lift-served but also backcountry days. The brakes only go up to 120mm. Will there be wider brakes? Is there a brakeless option? Or would I have to bend the brakes? Thanks!
 
13918572:viewfromnowhere said:
I'm thinking about putting these on some fat skis (128mm Praxis Protest), like for a Japan trip with lift-served but also backcountry days. The brakes only go up to 120mm. Will there be wider brakes? Is there a brakeless option? Or would I have to bend the brakes? Thanks!
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The brakes run wider than listed, I doubt you will have to bend them much if at all.
 
Ordering them on Thursday if all goes well! I'm excited. (even if I won't be able to even see them until next season)
 
13918928:BrawnTrends said:
The dilemma is which one to get... The black and white Atomic, or the "carbon" and anodized blue Salomon...
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Both have the carbon optic. The only difference is the white vs. blue accents.
 
13919036:pacman922 said:
Anyone know of any where to preorder the atomic shift in the US?
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Your local Atomic and Salomon dealer will (should be able to) take a preorder for you. Just call them up or visit them in person.
 
Ordered!! I chose the Atomic with 110mm brakes (which sounded the most versatile width wise). They do run a little wider, right?
 
If I was to ski the shift as an inbounds binding would I be losing anything except a couple hundred dollars? I recently purchased the 2017 4FRNT Kye 110, same ski as this years Uptrack Col so while not an ultralight ski one that's capable of short tours. I'm an aspirational touring skier, I've never done it, would like to get into it but don't really know if I can make it happen anytime soon, so I don't know if I'd ever use the binding to full potential.

Should I consider the Shift or just slap Attack 13s on and ski resorts exclusively?

I might make a thread to get more opinions but wanted to check in here first.

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13919472:mystery3 said:
If I was to ski the shift as an inbounds binding would I be losing anything except a couple hundred dollars?
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Check this out:
http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/salomon-atomic-shift-mnc-binding

"Coming into the day, I was very skeptical of the Shift. But after skiing a full day on it, I came away very impressed by its downhill performance. The binding feels solid, responsive, powerful and plush — very similar to an alpine binding.

The biggest compliment that I can give the Shift is that, after a few laps on Wildcat, I simply stopped thinking about the binding. It turned into just another day skiing. The power transfer seems excellent, and the construction felt solid. I started to trust it after a few laps, which is not something I’ve ever done when skiing a tech binding inbounds."
 
13919477:onenerdykid said:
Check this out:
http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/salomon-atomic-shift-mnc-binding

"Coming into the day, I was very skeptical of the Shift. But after skiing a full day on it, I came away very impressed by its downhill performance. The binding feels solid, responsive, powerful and plush — very similar to an alpine binding.

The biggest compliment that I can give the Shift is that, after a few laps on Wildcat, I simply stopped thinking about the binding. It turned into just another day skiing. The power transfer seems excellent, and the construction felt solid. I started to trust it after a few laps, which is not something I’ve ever done when skiing a tech binding inbounds."
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I had previously read the review, and listened to the podcast and just went back and read it again, this quote from Sam Shaheen stood out:

"The biggest and most important question to answer is the first one, how similar does the Shift feel in terms of downhill performance compared to an alpine binding? I’ve now had the Shift in a variety of conditions, with strong alpine boots, hammering inbounds laps, and I can’t say with any certainty that it performs worse than an alpine binding. In fact, I really can’t seem to tell a difference. The Shift’s power transfer is excellent, it has a damp ride, and I haven’t pre-released (and I have released when I needed to). I typically ski a Marker Jester or Griffon, or Tyrolia AAAttack, and I can’t discern a difference in performance between those alpine bindings and the Shift."

I guess that's all I need to know right there. From what I know Sam Shaheen is a much better skier than I'll ever hope to be. I'm also not a very big guy so don't put that much stress on a binding even when I'm skiing as hard as I can.

I'd love it if the stack height were a few mm lower but I think I'm in. Now to find a shop where I can place an order.

Anyone have recommendations on shops online, in the Bay Area, or potentially Truckee or Tahoe City that'll do a pre-order?
 
13919561:mystery3 said:
I had previously read the review, and listened to the podcast and just went back and read it again, this quote from Sam Shaheen stood out:

"The biggest and most important question to answer is the first one, how similar does the Shift feel in terms of downhill performance compared to an alpine binding? I’ve now had the Shift in a variety of conditions, with strong alpine boots, hammering inbounds laps, and I can’t say with any certainty that it performs worse than an alpine binding. In fact, I really can’t seem to tell a difference. The Shift’s power transfer is excellent, it has a damp ride, and I haven’t pre-released (and I have released when I needed to). I typically ski a Marker Jester or Griffon, or Tyrolia AAAttack, and I can’t discern a difference in performance between those alpine bindings and the Shift."

I guess that's all I need to know right there. From what I know Sam Shaheen is a much better skier than I'll ever hope to be. I'm also not a very big guy so don't put that much stress on a binding even when I'm skiing as hard as I can.

I'd love it if the stack height were a few mm lower but I think I'm in. Now to find a shop where I can place an order.

Anyone have recommendations on shops online, in the Bay Area, or potentially Truckee or Tahoe City that'll do a pre-order?
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In my opinion it skis as well as an alpine binding. I have skied 16 or 18 din alpine bindings for the last 8 years and I was at best hoping this binding would be half decent in terms of alpine performance. I was blown away though. I usually run a din of 11-12 but decided to really push the shift and run it at 10 to see how much I would prerealese (I have done this with other alpine bindings and had some big falls due to pre realeases) But the shift shrugged everything off fine. There was literally only one point I felt the toe begin to give in a hard turn but it pulled it back in no issues. These bindings are legit. I really will be running them on all but park skis next season. They ski as well as most alpine bindings (no not quite pivot 18 hold, but I mean come on it's an 18 din full metal toe!) and were more then enough for what I needed. Honestly so long as they are durable, which we will not know for a while these things are super legit.
 
I think it'll work. Worse come the worse bend them

13926903:mystery3 said:
Will the 100mm brake clear a 110 waist? They look wiiiiide and it's mention clearing a 107. A little tiny stretch?
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13926903:mystery3 said:
Will the 100mm brake clear a 110 waist? They look wiiiiide and it's mention clearing a 107. A little tiny stretch?
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13927181:LeeLau said:
I think it'll work. Worse come the worse bend them
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So I did a test fit the other night and they'll need 2-3mm of tweaking. They fit but so close I'd be worried about getting hung up going up or down. I think the 110s would be way too wide, the brakes are kind exposed on these binding. They look great though, stoked to get them on.

I also threw them on my trusty kitchen scale for fun and they weigh 898g each, pretty light but they don't look fragile at all.
 
13947998:mystery3 said:
So I did a test fit the other night and they'll need 2-3mm of tweaking. They fit but so close I'd be worried about getting hung up going up or down. I think the 110s would be way too wide, the brakes are kind exposed on these binding. They look great though, stoked to get them on.

I also threw them on my trusty kitchen scale for fun and they weigh 898g each, pretty light but they don't look fragile at all.
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Close enough that if you ground away some plastic from inside of the stopper that it could work without bending the arms?
 
13948020:onenerdykid said:
Close enough that if you ground away some plastic from inside of the stopper that it could work without bending the arms?
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Yes probably. I hadn't thought about that. Taking a mm of each side and smoothing out a bit, creating a more rounded tip on the inside edge would probably lower the risk if the brake catching significantly.
 
13948050:mystery3 said:
Yes probably. I hadn't thought about that. Taking a mm of each side and smoothing out a bit, creating a more rounded tip on the inside edge would probably lower the risk if the brake catching significantly.
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Just take a dremel to it and it should be all good
 
Looks like it's already sold out pretty much everywhere in the US, with ship dates ranging from December to January depending on where you look, which I assume are just estimates. Any idea of a possible production schedule? Wondering if I should just wait a bit or mount something else...
 
13948918:Monsieur_Patate said:
Looks like it's already sold out pretty much everywhere in the US, with ship dates ranging from December to January depending on where you look, which I assume are just estimates. Any idea of a possible production schedule? Wondering if I should just wait a bit or mount something else...
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Try skiessentials.com they have them in stock. I had originally pre-ordered with Evo but the pushed the ship date from 9/15 to 10/31 so I cancelled the order and ordered from skiessentials.com a couple weeks back, they look great so I just ordered another pair from them for my wife’s new skis.
 
I got a pair from D-structure in Quebec, they look awesome! I'll be mounting them on a pair of K108s for my resort/tour setup. Sounds like the 110 brakes might have been overkill but hopefully it won't be too much of an issue?

Also some shops (like the ones in Vancouver) aren't presaling, so there'll just be a mad scramble when they get their shipment. I imagine some shops in the US are similar.
 
Just bought a pair at my local shop tonight and they’re supposed to get a shipment in on the 22nd. Went with the 120 brake on a 118 waist as he advised.

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13948937:Kevski said:
I got a pair from D-structure in Quebec, they look awesome! I'll be mounting them on a pair of K108s for my resort/tour setup. Sounds like the 110 brakes might have been overkill but hopefully it won't be too much of an issue?
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Also ordered them with 110 brakes for 108mm skis, and after everything I read I'm starting to think 100mm would have been enough...

Matt: will the brakes be easily available to buy as parts?
 
13949019:BrawnTrends said:
Matt: will the brakes be easily available to buy as parts?
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Yes, but spare parts tend to be a later shipment than normal product. And as mentioned before, shops will only have what they ordered for the first round. If you can find a shop that stocks them now, get on it because come February they might be hard to find.

After the first year, things will be in stock like normal. But the first year is difficult because there is a very finite & limited window to produce everything and then get it shipped to arrive at retailers on time.
 
13949022:onenerdykid said:
Yes, but spare parts tend to be a later shipment than normal product. And as mentioned before, shops will only have what they ordered for the first round. If you can find a shop that stocks them now, get on it because come February they might be hard to find.

After the first year, things will be in stock like normal. But the first year is difficult because there is a very finite & limited window to produce everything and then get it shipped to arrive at retailers on time.
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How much are brakes retailing at?
 
13949023:f100prerunner said:
How much are brakes retailing at?
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Should be in the vicinity of $30 USD.

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13949022:onenerdykid said:
Yes, but spare parts tend to be a later shipment than normal product. And as mentioned before, shops will only have what they ordered for the first round. If you can find a shop that stocks them now, get on it because come February they might be hard to find.

After the first year, things will be in stock like normal. But the first year is difficult because there is a very finite & limited window to produce everything and then get it shipped to arrive at retailers on time.
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Alright. I'll do with the 110s for now, I'm sure they will be perfectly fine. Thanks for the response!
 
Hi Everyone.

I have a good question for you guys, and hope anybody has some info.

I wanted to order a pair in europe from Sport-conrad. Before order i asked a question it the binding is compatible with la sportiva spectre or syncro boots... but didn't expect the answare i got because in all salomon videos they say it will accept any normed ISO boots.

The guys at Sport - Conrad tell me that the binding is not compatible with these boots because of the rockered sole... it is strange because the boots are not listed in solomon incompatibility boots list.

Does any of you have any info about this problem?

Thanks in advance, Bogdan Vlad
 
It's been a while since I've seen those boots, but my memory is the Rocker sole is more aggressive than most AT boots. Maybe it falls outside the AT Boot Standard?
 
13952310:RustsCached said:
Hi Everyone.

I have a good question for you guys, and hope anybody has some info.

I wanted to order a pair in europe from Sport-conrad. Before order i asked a question it the binding is compatible with la sportiva spectre or syncro boots... but didn't expect the answare i got because in all salomon videos they say it will accept any normed ISO boots.

The guys at Sport - Conrad tell me that the binding is not compatible with these boots because of the rockered sole... it is strange because the boots are not listed in solomon incompatibility boots list.

Does any of you have any info about this problem?

Thanks in advance, Bogdan Vlad
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The Shift binding is Multi-Norm Certified (MNC) - that means it is certified to work with boots following the Alpine Norm ISO 5355, Touring Norm ISO 9523, WTR, and Grip Walk. If the boot is not actually following one of these norms, then the binding is not guaranteed to work properly with that sole shape.

In order to be sure, look on the bottom of the La Sportiva boot sole and if it is actually certified, then it will have the ISO number/name on the sole. If the ISO number is not on the sole, then it is not certified to work and YOU take all of the risk using that boot with the binding.

We cannot publish a list of all possible boots that are compatible with the binding. That's why these ISO norms actually exist. If the boot follows the ISO norm, then it will work. If it does not follow the norm, then it cannot be guaranteed to work.
 
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